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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 01:46 PM
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DU this poll PLEASE - Is a strike to take out nukes ever justified?
Edited on Mon Oct-09-06 01:50 PM by peacebird
http://www.cnn.com /

so far 57% are saying YES.


Is a preemptive strike to destroy a nation's nuclear weapons capability ever justified?

Yes

58%
23392 votes

No

42%
17094 votes
Total: 40486 votes

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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 01:48 PM
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1. Every Person That Voted Yes is an Idiot! (nt)
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 02:25 PM
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16. Actually, every person who voted "No" is an idiot.
It's NEVER justified? You're saying that if someone was about to launch a nuclear attack on another country, it wouldn't be justifiable to destroy said nukes before they can be launched?

There may be other connotations to the poll, but there's only one reasonable answer to the question.
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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 02:30 PM
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20. I agree. I can come up with lots of scenarios when I think it would be
justified.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 02:31 PM
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21. every person who voted "YES" is an idiot
You want our government to have the right to PRE-EMPTIVELY ATTACK another nation again? Haven't you learned anything from attacking Iraq?

And what happens if there is fallout from the attack?

IRAQ was a bad enough idea. Diplomacy was all we needed to keep a lid on this. Never use pre-emptive attacks.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 12:55 PM
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27. But remember, Iraq was NOT pre-emptive, but PREVENTATIVE...
...which is illegal.

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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 02:36 PM
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22. Yes there are exceptions.
So the question is bullshit. However within the context of the phony NK nuke crisis, the answer is NO, a preemptive strike to destroy another nation's nuclear capability, absent a direct threat that this capability is being put to use, is not justifiable.
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citizen snips Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 01:52 PM
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2. done
n/t
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Catamount Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 01:52 PM
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3. It's getting worse- 58% Yes
K&R
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MrModerate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 01:53 PM
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4. Frighteningly enough, I haven't heard much in the way . . .
of alternatives being articulated by anyone recently -- not that a strike on North Korea would be anything other than an incredible disaster.

However, Georgie and his crew have pissed away the diplomatic option, so what do we do now? And you can answer that question as 1) a sentient being, and/or 2) as George Bush. Because, lest we forget, he commands our nuclear arsenal.

If I lived in Seoul today, I might be planning for a looooong vacation, preferably thousands of miles away.
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 01:53 PM
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5. So North Korea should attack the U.S.?
Is that what they're sugesting?
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 02:00 PM
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11. NK said some time ago the US doesn't have a monopoly on pre-emptive action
NK will undoubtedly attempt to attack the moment it gets a chance.

And like I said, with China not too happy over the course of developments, it could be very easy to put N Korea in its place without using a nuke to stop them. (working with the international community, as any country using a nuke will merely trigger THE end.)
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 02:37 PM
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23. "NK will undoubtedly attempt to attack the moment it gets a chance."
Really? Based on what evidence?

Does the US have a monopoly on pre-emptive action?
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 12:56 PM
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28. So which psychiatrist told you Kim is suicidal?
Sorry, not buying it.

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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 01:55 PM
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6. Well, the question is, is it EVER justified...
Edited on Mon Oct-09-06 01:55 PM by SteppingRazor
I would have to admit that taking out nukes would be justified in certain hypothetical circumstances, so I suppose I'd be forced to vote yes myself.

In other words, I don't think it's a fair question.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 06:19 AM
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25. Exactly right, I would have expected an even higher amount
of support for the notion. But, a large percent of the respondents seem to be aware that the NeoConCabal running foreign polich should NEVER be given a green light.
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 01:55 PM
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7. I can't respond to this.
In context of ChimpCo I want to say "No" but I can conceive of situations where I'd want to say "Yes".

Best for me to not vote and pollute DU efforts.
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RufusEarl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 01:56 PM
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8. Who are these idiots,
they obviously have no idea what a nuke can do. Not just to the people it's directed to, but the world and it's environment or what's left of it.
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RufusEarl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 01:56 PM
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9. Who are these idiots,
they obviously have no idea what a nuke can do. Not just to the people it's directed to, but the world and it's environment or what's left of it.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 01:58 PM
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10. Dunno.
Edited on Mon Oct-09-06 02:01 PM by HypnoToad
NK is on record saying the US doesn't have a monopoly on this. And as the US under * hasn't used what NK is testing, circumstantial evidence does suggest NK will use anything it can find.

China is worried too.

Why China and the US don't do a team military effort to stop N Korea, I do not know. A temporary truce, whatever it takes. Nukes to stop N Korea are not necessary given the circumstances.
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Yoda Yada Donating Member (474 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 02:01 PM
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12. Bush will USE this poll to keep our country polarized. n/t
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FuzzyDicePHL Donating Member (698 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 02:03 PM
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13. Must be BS
The count didn't change after I voted.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 02:06 PM
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14. God help us!
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Monkeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 02:06 PM
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15. Done
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 02:28 PM
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17. depends on what the question is really asking
If it had said: Is a preemptive nuclear strike to destroy a nation's nuclear weapons capability ever justified?, I'd vote no.

But if the question is read as referring to a preemptive non-nuclear strike, then my answer would be yes.

So I'll just not vote.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 02:29 PM
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18. it's a ridiculous situation bush got us into. there IS NO SOLUTION but to
end up with egg on our faces or start WWIII.

bush is an idiot. he should have stayed the course with NK instead of driving us off the cliff in Iraq and losing a grip on both Iran and North Korea.
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Drifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 02:29 PM
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19. Follow up question ...
What if this nation was allowed to develop Nuclear Weapons because of the incompetence and neglegence of the President. Is is still Ok ?

Cheers
Drifter
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Dragonbreathp9d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 03:47 PM
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24. This poll is far too black and white, there is a lot of grey
Edited on Mon Oct-09-06 03:47 PM by Dragonbreathp9d
I'm not going to partake
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BoneDaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 11:27 AM
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26. Idiots on both sides
Of course there may be valid reasons to take out a countries nuclear capabilities, it just merits very good reasons to do so. The far right Hawks who want to bomb everything are wrong and the doves who are so naive not to see the dangers of some people and governments are wrong. Christ on a stick, why do people look at the world so one dimensionally.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 01:02 PM
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29. I hate, I hate, I hate, push polls.
If the UN agreed that a rogue nation armed with nuke weapons and with belligerent intent were a threat to the rest of the world, it'd be unjustified to remove the threat?

The answer to the poll as worded is Yes. The problem is; the intent of asking the question is to use the sentiment as a proxy for questions for which the answer should be no, e.g. "should we nuke North Korea?"
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