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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 11:27 PM
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October Surprise. How Convenient
NK Nukes puts Bush et al back on the mantra of national security. Foley is now off the front page.
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John Gauger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 11:29 PM
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1. How is that an October surprise? How could that have been orchestrated?
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 11:30 PM
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2. It couldn't have been. Furthermore, it makes Bush look BAD.
Failed foreign policies (no surprise there!).
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 11:35 PM
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4. Just saying
that it distracts from Foley.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 11:34 PM
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3. Where are the PICTURES?
Without pictures, and without a report of radiation (Fearless NK Leader says there is none because they cleverly managed to "contain" it) it's just talking heads flapping their gums on the tee vee.

We Americans NEEEEEEEED "scary pictures" to get the point across, otherwise we'd much rather listen to salacious talk of perversion and predation--even when we were supposed to be a-skeered of Osama, we had footage of 'terrists on Monkeybars' to go with the Nine Wun Wun footage.

What if the story devolves to tons of dyn-o-mite in a coal mine, designed to make a big BOOM and get the whole world looking at that short, pomaded, high heeled attention whore? The one in North Korea, that is....

:rofl:
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BattyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 11:38 PM
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5. If the Dems get their act together and play this right ...
Edited on Sun Oct-08-06 11:39 PM by BattyDem
it could be a disaster for BushCo!

Think about it ... he designated three countries as the "Axis of Evil" - Iraq, Iran and North Korea. Then he cut off diplomacy with all three of those countries. He invaded Iraq for no good reason and it's a disaster! Because of that invasion, Iran and North Korea got a bit "jumpy" and started making noise about nukes. Iran is trying to acquire them; North Korea is now testing them. Make no mistake - this is a direct result of BushCo's military action and diplomatic inaction.

Repeat it again and again: It's Bush's fault! Bush caused this. One "axis of evil" country is a haven for terrorists, one now has nukes and the third is making an effort to get nukes ... all because of Bush. We are less safe because of Bush. IT'S BUSH'S FAULT!!!

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spag68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 11:47 PM
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6. North Korea
You can be sure that they will all come out swinging and swearing that it's all Clintons fault.
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 01:58 AM
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12. From the Freeper Page
That is right. This falls at the feet at Clinton. The SOB and Albright failed us here. They can kiss these elections goodbye now. Repubs will hammer it home every chance they have that Clinton gave them the technology for the nuclear power, yet never followed up to make sure they did not enrich uranium. Plus Clinton did nothing of AQ Khan that was giving the NK's nuke plans.
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Ignacio Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 11:53 PM
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7. Well...an October Surprise designed to help Kim Jong Il
I think he just did it because he's an attention whore.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 12:12 AM
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8. This makes * look worse than his already does
He's fighting terra in the wrong country.

What can he do now? Start the draft?
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 12:33 PM
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21. I truly believe he will not start a draft, if he does then and only
then will the American people will wake up, cuz, it will include all repigs and dems daughters, sons, mothers and fathers.
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vixengrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 12:19 AM
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9. If it happened, it in no way helps Repugs.
Wonder how many of 'em ever mentioned North Korea? Bet it was damn few. Asleep at the switch. Buh-bye. And I think National Security thanks to the evil luck we're having in Iraq is not Bush's happy subject, either. People just don't believe these guys, anymore.
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 12:50 AM
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10. it's an oct surprise if we find out Bush paid Kim to do it!!
Edited on Mon Oct-09-06 12:51 AM by NVMojo
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fritoy Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 01:58 AM
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11. Foley is now off the front page
Maybe I am nuts but I think rove had this planed.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 05:33 AM
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14. Got meds? n/t
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 07:16 AM
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15. "planed" ?
Karl is not a genius. He is a thug who brings out the worst in a mob.

Welcome to DU yadda yadda yadda...
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 10:50 AM
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16. I doubt it.
Their distractions usually involve the war on terror, and whoever they can use such as the FBI, CIA, DHS, Saudi double agents, Iraqi security forces etc.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 05:22 AM
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13. Rove knew
They all knew. So now it's fear fear fear, don't criticize the President in a time of crisis, rally round the flag.

I think Dems can use this to our benefit, but they can't back down from Bush.

We'll see, but it looks like October Surprise to me.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 11:05 AM
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18. knew what?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 12:25 PM
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19. This administration knew
They knew this test was coming, we'll find that out a year or five down the road. This is the "October Surprise" Rove promised, thinking that people would be frightened in to voting security again. The only thing that might change that is Woodward's book.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 12:29 PM
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20. still not sure how that makes it an October suprise
Assuming they knew, what would you have had them do about it?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 01:34 PM
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24. Why do you suppose they did nothing?
They knew they didn't have the dipomatic ability to stop it which would look even worse, so they let it happen and will go into 'dangerous world' that you 'can't trust the Dems with' mode.

What should they have done?? Emergency summits, international condemnation, etc etc. We don't have the standing to do that sort of thing anymore though.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 02:10 PM
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25. But if we didn't "make" it happen, how is an "october surprise"?
That's the part I'm trying to understand. Either we did something to make it happen or we let it happen on purpose. But the latter presumes we could've done something to stop it and I don't see what that would've been, given our lack of standing and the fact that NK seems pretty much willing and able to do what they want.

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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 02:29 PM
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26. Twisty twirly
Not interested. My post was clear. I'm too busy to play mindfuck games today. Maybe another time.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 02:36 PM
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28. ROTFL
Thanks for not clearing that up...!
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hijinx87 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 10:56 AM
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17. I think foley had about run it's course . . .
Edited on Mon Oct-09-06 10:57 AM by hijinx87
with nothing new coming out in the fast couple of days.

but I have absolute confidence in that bunch of hoodlums to
get caught in another scandal before the week is out.



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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 02:46 PM
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29. Nope, story not over
Hastert's gotta go; and, then, we have others that need to be investigated. More and more Pages telling their stories. Keep it burning till the fuel runs out.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 01:06 PM
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22. Some DUers prove their critical thinking skills by surmising Bush did it
:eyes:

Besides I thought Foley was to push Woodward's book out of the spotlight.


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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 01:12 PM
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23. This makes Bush's foreign policy look ridiculous.
Secondly, you are actually advocating that Bush has control over Kim Jong-Il? Wow.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 02:33 PM
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27. I believe it showcases BushCo's incompetent foreign policy.
Rove's MO is attack your opponent's strength, and they have always touted this as being their strength. It is, in fact, an unmitigated disaster.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 02:48 PM
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30. it is!
and the dems should ONLY say, over & over, "80% of the uranium to do this nuclear test was acquired on bush's failed security watch, this is his main priority as president, and he FAILED us again"

RIGHT???? someone PLEASE say that on the news...


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