Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Grateful to Howard Dean

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 05:01 PM
Original message
Grateful to Howard Dean
JON CARROLL
Jon Carroll
Friday, February 6, 2004
©2004 San Francisco Chronicle | Feedback | FAQ

URL: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/02/06/DDG744IC961.DTL

Like a lot of people, I was grateful when Howard Dean started sounding off about the war in Iraq. It was easy to hear him because almost every other politician had been bullied by the administration into silence.

He said the magic words, and yet lightning did not strike him down. People did not shun him as a traitor. No one knew who the hell Howard Dean was -- I'm still not sure, to be candid -- but they were really happy that someone was breaking the silence.

Imagine: an elected Democrat who said out loud that Sept. 11, 2001, did not justify all excesses, did not explain all malign or stupid decisions. An elected Democrat who gave other elected Democrats permission to find their courage. Even better: an elected Democrat who demonstrated that Bush-bashing might be a noble and necessary occupation.

So now we've had 2.5 rounds of primaries (Iowa is its own thing, a quasi- democratic photo op of limited significance), and Howard Dean seems to be pretty much out of it. I do not pretend to understand the reasons; it is my guess that people who say they understand the reasons probably don't either.
<SNIP>
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
lastknowngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 05:04 PM
Response to Original message
1. be careful your not allowed
to say anything good about Dean.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jmaier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 05:04 PM
Response to Original message
2. I do agree that Howard Dean
and his willingness to be aggressively anti-Bush has put the rest of the Democratic candidates, particularly Kerry, in more of an attack posture. That is very good news for the general election.

A :toast: to Govenor Dean.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 06:21 PM
Response to Reply #2
7. But there are still people who mewl and puke about it--
They refuse to acknowledge the fact that had Dean not called some of his rivals "Bush Lite" and pointed out that we can't bring Bush down by being like him, we'd have no chance at all.

He did that for a very good reason.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 09:08 PM
Response to Reply #2
15. check out New York Observer August 2002
Joe Conason has an insightful article that may be helpful to you.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 05:05 PM
Response to Original message
3. I know I am
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jedicord Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 05:07 PM
Response to Original message
4. Why I don't want him to drop out after Wisconsin...
He's taught the other guys they can use their gonads and not get shot down. While I'm sure the media destroyed the man's chance, we need his voice, just as I also believe we need Al Sharpton's voice. These messages are getting heard, and most importantly LEARNED, by an uninformed, TV addicted, America.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Monte Carlo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 05:09 PM
Response to Original message
5. Perhaps Moses will not be able to follow the Jews into the Promised Land.
Whatever happens in this election from here on in, Dean will be noted in history for being the first major candidate to fuse the technology of the internet with the American political process. He has re-energized the grassroots level of support for the Democratic Party. He has held the feet of every other candidate to the fire, and force them to adapt. That is very good. Whether or not he wins the nomination, there is a future for Dean in the party.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Pax Argent Donating Member (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 06:23 PM
Response to Reply #5
8. Great analogy Montecarlo!
I do feel that it was Dean that was the voice that led us out of the wilderness. Unfortunately, between the DLC and the Rethugs I feel that this result was inevitable. The reward for telling the truth is usually betrayal and castigation.

Happily, he did bring the Pink Tutu Democrats around to actually taking a stand and getting them off of the "whatever you say is fine by us Mr. Bush" program that they adopted after 9-11. Hopefully it will be enough.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 06:11 PM
Response to Original message
6. I'm also grateful it's not over yet
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 07:47 PM
Response to Reply #6
12. Good point, good graphic!
Edited on Fri Feb-06-04 08:13 PM by madfloridian
Sure enough, it ain't over!

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MODemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 09:26 PM
Response to Reply #12
17. Madfloridan, your Dean photo has really cheered me up
Edited on Fri Feb-06-04 09:27 PM by MODemocrat
Maybe I'm crazy, but, I still feel that Dean can win. I think I must have cried a bucket full of tears on Wednesday, after receiving the email, then came to this board and started feeling better. Thanks to all. We're all in the same boat.

:toast: :thumbsup:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 06:25 PM
Response to Original message
9. If it weren't for Dean, Joe Lieberman would be our frontrunner
think about it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
D G Donating Member (273 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 06:27 PM
Response to Reply #9
10. I truly find that difficult to believe.
Unless you are suggesting that Dean supporters would have all backed Lieberman?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 07:37 PM
Response to Reply #10
11. I don't think that's what the poster is saying
I may be wrong, but I think the poster is saying Lieberman, as Gore's running mate, may have been the heir apparent by default. Dean, by voicing strong opinions that challenged everything Lieberman stood fore, offered us all a clear alternative. No other Democrat was challenging Bush the way Dean was early in the campaign; he forced most of the candidates distinquish themselves from Bush's "popularity".

I may be mischaracterizing what the poster is saying, but that's what I believe anyway.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
D G Donating Member (273 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 09:14 PM
Response to Reply #11
16. Yes, I was being a bit sarcastic
If Howard Dean were never born, I think someone would have stepped up to the plate and challenged Bush far better than Lieberman ever could have.

Hell, if Howard Dean weren't around, maybe Kucinich would have gotten the grassroots support he deserved, and the bandwagon would be around him. I wouldn't argue with that.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 08:31 PM
Response to Original message
13. I credit Howard for setting the rhetorical bar.
Howard did give voice to our collective anger. I've always thought this board was 6-9 months ahead of the political curve. Howard was out there first with us. But, in the long run, I think his candidacy exposed limitations that the Republicans would exploit and I don't think he has the broad based appeal that is needed to defeat the Republican machine in November.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bushwakker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 08:49 PM
Response to Original message
14. Dean is a breath of fresh air
In a different year maybe he gets the nomination - and maybe wins it all.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu Apr 18th 2024, 05:21 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC