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DJcairo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-04 10:48 PM
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ABK=BC'04
Can we Dems stop shooting ourselves in the foot already? Lets' circle the wagons and start to take this fight to Bush now, he's weak and we can move in for the kill NOW if we stop romancing about Dean or whoever else.


Please, I beg you.
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NV1962 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-04 10:49 PM
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1. Don't beg
And: no.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-04 10:50 PM
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2. NO
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-04 10:50 PM
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3. Premature.
That argument might wash if he actually wins the nomination, but not until then.
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LuminousX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-04 10:51 PM
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5. Agreed
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King of New Orleans Donating Member (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-04 10:51 PM
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4. Just let it be
There's no kill 9 months before an election anyway.
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EXE619K Donating Member (717 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-04 10:51 PM
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6. Please tell me...YOU GOTTA BE JOKING, RIGHT?
:D
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indigo32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-04 10:53 PM
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7. I've said many times that I'll support the nominee
Edited on Thu Feb-05-04 10:54 PM by indigo32
BUT NOT UNTIL THEN. So ya'll can just QUIT ASKING. Between the rally to Kerry threads and the ABB loyalty oaths threads I'm gonna puke...
and I'm vehemently ABB... so how do ya'll think the folks who aren't feel?
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 07:43 AM
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34. Isn't it funny...
Edited on Fri Feb-06-04 08:27 AM by JDWalley
...how the same people who, a month ago, were denouncing then-front-runner Dean as unelectable, warning how choosing him as nominee would lead to disaster, and generally turning this board into a 24/7 Dean-bash are now uttering pious words about "party unity" and how not immediately setting aside our differences and uniting behind the current front-runner will only help Bush?

:crazy:
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 11:18 AM
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54. That IS funny
people here sure are FUNNY.
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Lobo_13 Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-04 10:53 PM
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8. How about we don't
and say we did.

After all, it's not OUR fault that your guy is an ineffectual ne'er do well that is just another cog in the disgustingly corrupt DC machinery.

If he can't earn our votes, then it's his fault, not ours.

If Kerry manages to hustle his way to the nomination (because his whole campaign is based on a slick talk hustle, a grift, if you will) then he will have to win the GE without my vote, or the votes of many others here.

Howard Dean gets my vote in November, one way or another.
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Langis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-04 10:54 PM
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10. You like Bush that much?
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Lobo_13 Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-04 10:59 PM
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16. Oh, I hate Bush
But I detest Kerry.
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Gadave Donating Member (269 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 08:26 AM
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43. Which is the stronger emotion
Detest sounds bad, but hate sounds bad too.

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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 08:29 AM
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44. How about this...?
"I fear Bush, but have total contempt for Kerry."

Is that a close enough translation?
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Snivi Yllom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 11:28 AM
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56. bingo
Passion for one candidate cannot transfer 100% to another candidate.
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MaddogTerp Donating Member (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 08:33 AM
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45. I'm with Lobo_13
and about Kerry... what about this:

http://washingtontimes.com/national/20040205-115046-426...

I've said it before, I think Kerry is ... oops, I have to be careful, I had a Kerry post deleted... let's just say, Kerry has *influence* with big corporations and lobbyists. Is that who we want running the country? No, we've got that already.

If you want to change what's wrong in this country, you have to take the opportunity to make a substantive change. Fact is, only Dean and Kuchinich resemble substantive change from the big business interests.
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Langis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-04 10:53 PM
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9. I'm with you!
Don't worry about everyone else they will come around.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-04 10:54 PM
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11. No, but cute attempt
...especially after your other posts tonight. Not a great way to build a coalition...
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Democrats unite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-04 10:54 PM
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12. Hell No!
Kerry trying to make me a 2nd class citizen! Them there are fighting words! Democrat or not! :grr:
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-04 10:57 PM
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13. Will these whippings ever stop?
Jeez. As if the relentless pushing is going to make me move over.

:eyes:
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Hoppin_Mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-04 10:57 PM
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14. You should encourage Kerry to drop out - For the good of America ! -nt-
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Democrats unite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-04 11:00 PM
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17. That has got to be one of the best statement this evening!
Thank you. :pals:
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NV1962 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-04 11:02 PM
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18. Right on!
Heck, I'd even prefer Lieberman (a guy I disagree with on quite a few issues) over an empty and opportunistic suit who's just a tad too eager to clench it this soon.
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tinanator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-04 10:59 PM
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15. Nader's fault!
try to remember, it's all Nader's fault!
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-04 11:02 PM
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19. Hate to see you beg, but no
We have to define who the hell we are as a party first. What the hell do we stand for? Something a little deeper than ABB I hope.

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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 07:47 AM
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37. "Something a little deeper than ABB I hope."
Apparently not. The sheeples are being herded quite nicely, thank you.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-04 11:02 PM
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20. your posts sure don't help
you didn't even stick with kerry when he was low in polls and went to dean instead and told us to do the same. and now you do the same thing the other way around. do you think these type of posts help in any way ? why don't you just let people vote.
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stromboli Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-04 11:23 PM
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21. healthy competition
Infighting doesn't really hurt the candidates in the eyes of the voters. (Most of us would probably vote for a wet napkin over Bush anyway.) If anything, it boosts the candidates who handle the pressure and fend off attacks.
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Duder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-04 11:26 PM
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22. Without the AB, you have...
K=BC'04
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corporatewhore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-04 11:29 PM
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23. What about the conservatives who hate bush for the patriot act?
You guys always tout electability and swing appeal but one big issue for any self respecting Small gov't promoting Big Federal Gov't loathing conservatives is the Patriot Act.I worked hand in hand with them this summer to get an anti patriot act res. here in austin this summer.They are fucking pissed at bush for this. why would they vote for pro patriot act cannidate like kerry
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corporatewhore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 08:23 AM
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41. No Answer? didnt think so
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FrankBooth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-04 11:38 PM
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24. ABB
ABB
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md7389 Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 05:15 PM
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63. ABB
I always hear you guys say anybody but Bush, so might i
suggest Newt Gingrich for president?
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-04 11:44 PM
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25. I wouldn't hold my breath...
eom
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David Dunham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-04 11:55 PM
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26. Dean is Finished and Will win No States. Time for him to go.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 12:12 AM
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27. Thanks for your input, but we're here to stay. See you at the convention.
:)
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LuminousX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 12:22 AM
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29. Are you on Dean's payroll? No? Then why should he listen to you?
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NV1962 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 01:00 AM
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31. you must be against incorporation into statehood of DC too huh - n/t
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 07:47 AM
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36. If it's "time for Dean to go"...
...then it's time for me to go, too.

All along, I've been saying that, should Kerry win the nomination, I'd hold my nose and vote for him in November. As I read these screeds from Kerry followers, I'm beginning to waver a bit.

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LosinIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 07:49 AM
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38. Excuse Me, I have not had a chance to cast my primary ballot yet
Isn't this still a democracy?
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 07:53 AM
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40. Yeah, democracy is overrated
Why let anyone else vote? The rest of us are far too stupid, unless we support Kerry! :eyes:
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goobergunch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 11:30 AM
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57. Nothing In The Future Is Definite. (n/t)
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Donkeyboy75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 11:37 AM
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59. I've seen Dunham post about six times, and he posts the same
damn message every time. You must be an MSNBC pundit.
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hellhathnofury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 12:21 AM
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28. NO SURRENDER! NO QUARTER!
A Resounding NO.

:nuke:
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maxr4clark Donating Member (639 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 12:25 AM
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30. Even the IDEA of an ABK or ABE or ABC label turns me off, folks!
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 01:06 AM
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32. Hey, now, me thinks you're a tad premature.
GO CLARK!
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Atlant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 07:01 AM
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33. No. (And the bullet wound in my foot wasn't from my gun.) (NT)
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INTELBYTES Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 07:47 AM
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35. Nope!
ABK! It will be a write in candidate for me!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 07:52 AM
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39. Deleted message
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 08:25 AM
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42. Leave it be, DJ. They're in bunker mentality mode and
it has to run its course.
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edzontar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 08:33 AM
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46. After months of inexcusable and relentless bashing....
You want us all to "get along" now?


We shall do what is necessary when it is necessary,

As of now, the race is still on, and these "surrender, resistance is futile" threads can only be considerd an affront.

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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 10:31 AM
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47. If Kerry is so "electable"
Why are his supporters so concerned about our votes? There are more than enough Republicans who will be voting for Kerry, right?
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corporatewhore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 10:35 AM
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48. not the conservatives who hate bush over the patriot act anyway
This is the one defining issue we can use to get some swing votes without compromising i mean i a hardcore leftist worked handin hand with them to get an anti patriot act resolution and they are fucking pissed because of it if we were smart we wwould capitalize on this but what do we do we push the only two propatriot act cannidates to the for front because of there so called electability and swing appeal drives me fucking insane
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absyntheNsugar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 10:38 AM
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49. I Second that!
We have to back whomever the Dems nominate. Otherwise it's the small cute dog in 04. This is not the year to run a 3rd party campagin, that is unless you're a Republican reading this, in which...by all means please run Ross Perot or John McCain...
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 11:15 AM
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50. Here's the math on the ABK'ers
Their votes < number of votes lost to get their votes

So, let's go and win this thing.
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corporatewhore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 11:18 AM
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53. again i ask what about the conservatives who hate bush for the patriot act
No selfrespecting small govt promoting big centralized federal govt loathing conservative can say they like the PATRIOT ACT.This is the one defining issue we can use to get some swing votes without compromising i mean i a hardcore leftist worked handin hand with them to get an anti patriot act resolution here in austin and they are fucking pissed because of it if we were smart we wwould capitalize on this but what do we do we push the only two propatriot act cannidates to the for front because of there so called electability and swing appeal drives me fucking insane
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republicansareevil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 11:16 AM
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51. I must be dense. I don't get it. ABK=BC'04?
Edited on Fri Feb-06-04 11:25 AM by republicansareevil
ABK refers to the "Anyone But Kerry" mindset, right? Is "BC" Bill Clinton? What does it mean then? Sorry, it's been a long week. :hangover:
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Atlant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 11:48 AM
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62. BC = "Bush/Cheney" (NT)
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goobergunch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 11:18 AM
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52. 2162 Delegates Required (n/t)
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 11:22 AM
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55. Ha.
This is a very (and, I gather, unintentionally) funny post...
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 11:32 AM
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58. I prefer the democratic process
thank you very much.
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LittleDannySlowhorse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 11:44 AM
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60. Nope!
Kerry will get my vote if he's the nominee, as I've said for the last billion loyalty oath threads. Until then, please go away.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 11:45 AM
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61. JK=BC'04
Deal with it.
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