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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 01:32 PM
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Dems not being 'tough on terror' is a bullshit strawman argument
Whenever some chickenhawk mohterfucker calls us 'weak on terror' what they really mean is we're a bunch of wussies. They're callin us out as shuffle-stepping, limp-wristed, pink shirt wearing, run-instead-of-fight, scaredy cat, wimps. They do this to strengthen the myth that they're all tough guys. Swagger and bluster. Kick some ass and take names brawlers.

Bullshit.

We can win that argument, not by having the debate they want to have, but by metaphorically punching them in their metaphorical noses. (As you read the rest of this post, insert the word 'metaphor' or a grammaticaly appropriate variant of the word, before each reference to physical violence. I say this in case you're a wimpy wuss who abhors a good fight.)

George McGovern is a no-shit, honest to God war hero who strapped an airplane to his ass, an airplane that was, at the time, suffering near 50% loss rates in missions over Europe. He came back and did it again and again - and then saw it as immodest and unseemly to say so during his presidential run. He is also the face of the wussy rep we Democrats have. Jimmy Carter was a no-shit, honest to God Navy vet and former sub skipper, fully prepared to go through the launch sequenced if so ordered - and to shoot dead any sailor who stood in the way of executing that order. Bill Clinton stood tall, fast, and unwavering in the face of the no-shit, honest to God worst assault on the Presidency since Lincoln. John Kerry went to work each day lon a plywood and fiberglass floating target and in the process won some no-shit, honest to God citations for heroism and bravery and doing hard shit. Jack Kennedy is a no shit, honest to God war hero who saved lives and did brave shit after his plywood rowboat was cut in half in the dark of night in the South Pacific.

Look around, Democrats. There are pretty damned few wimps among us. Is Barney Frank a wimp? Is Sheila Jackson Lee a wimp? John Conyers? Hell, is anyone you know a handwringing wimp? This is about a shitload more than being war heroes. It is about being civic heroes and civic tough guys.

Next time some chickenhawk motherfucker implies we're not ready to be 'tough on terror', just pull out a switchblade and relieve him of his tongue.

Pick a fucking fight and fight it.
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samfishX Donating Member (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 01:36 PM
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1. Quite Frankly...
I don't want the Dems to be "tough on terror".
...at least not by Repuglican standards.

Their idea of being "tough on terror" is akin to kicking a bee hive because you got stung.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 03:09 PM
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5. "tough on terror" is akin to kicking a bee hive because you got stung"
In some ways that mihgt be an apt analogy.

But there is no denying that there are, in deed and in fact, bad actors out there who are hellbent to see us suffer. That's simply an undeniable fact.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 01:39 PM
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2. Coming from the Anti-WWII Party
and being a priveledged chickenhawk, you'd think they would have enough common sense to shut the fuck up! Being selfish and stupid never meant being tough.
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 01:41 PM
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3. Repubs are "tough on reality" (nt)
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 01:49 PM
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4. The best way to be tough on terror is to bite the bullet, and do
the hard work of making peace with the rest of the world. Diplomacy, humanitarianism, understanding, and humility would all go a long way toward taking down our risk of terrorism.

Being a nation of warriors won't work, unless we are warriors for peace.

TC

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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 03:12 PM
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6. Better than being WRONG ON TERROR
... by a long-shot.

I think America has seen that meme played out vividly.
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Brian Stevens Donating Member (389 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 03:41 PM
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7. I like this Husb2sparkly!!!
Edited on Mon Aug-21-06 03:42 PM by Brian Stevens
:toast:

He takes no shit!!!
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 03:50 PM
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8. Democrats are not "tough" on terror
We're smart on terror, and the proof is in the pudding. The guys who bombed the World Trade Center towers? Sitting in prison right this second. The guys who bombed the federal building in Oklahoma City? Executed or sitting in prison right this second. The guys who bombed the USS Cole? Well, since this happened in December 2000, after the election, that really seems to be more the province of Clinton's successor. How's he doing on bringing terrorists to justice?
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OldSiouxWarrior Donating Member (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 07:19 PM
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9. Sorry, but I have to correct some of your "facts".

Jimmy Carter was a no-shit, honest to God Navy vet and former sub skipper, fully prepared to go through the launch sequenced if so ordered - and to shoot dead any sailor who stood in the way of executing that order.

Sorry, but Carter was rejected for nuclear submarines by Rickover. He never served on a nuclear sub. He served as a junior officer aboard diesel engine subs. (Old WWII style subs.) He never skippered a sub.

Since the missle subs were all nukes, then he never had anything to do with them.

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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 07:44 PM
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10. I stand modestly corrected. Doesn't change the point
http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq60-14.htm

Thanks for the Jiminy Cricket
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OldSiouxWarrior Donating Member (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 07:52 AM
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11. Agreed, it doesn't change the point. NT
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atommom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 11:28 AM
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12. These people have been using insults like that for generations.
I posted a Thomas Frank article this morning in which he talks about the corrupt corporate leaders and their tactics. Things haven't changed much.

Then, as now, empty accusations of treason were standard rhetoric. Reformers were routinely taunted as effeminate in the manner that conservatives today bandy about terms like effete, French-looking, and girly man. Roscoe Conkling, the sarcastic voice of New York finance, famously laughed off a crusading editor as a man milliner.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 12:45 PM
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13. For over forty years Democratic Leadership kept America Safe
Only under Republican Leadership does America Tremble with Fear....Had Enough America???
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