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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 12:23 PM
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Lieberman calls for Rumsfeld to quit

Lieberman calls for Rumsfeld to quit

August 20, 2006

WASHINGTON --Sen. Joe Lieberman on Sunday called for the resignation of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and backed an international conference to find a way out of the crisis in Iraq.

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Lieberman said the Bush administration should have sent more troops into Iraq "to secure the country."

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"There is still hope in Iraq and as long as there is we cannot just pick up and walk away and leave them to the sure disaster that would follow and would compromise our security in the war on terrorism," he said.

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He also accused Lamont of distorting his stance on Iraq.

"He made me into a cheerleader for George Bush and everything that's happened," Lieberman said. "And the record shows that, while I believe we did the right thing in overthrowing Saddam Hussein, I've been very critical over the years, particularly in 2003 and 2004, about the failure to send enough American troops to secure the country, about the absence of adequate plans and preparation to deal with post-Saddam Iraq."

"As bad as things are now -- and they've gotten worse in the last six months -- it would be a disaster if America set a deadline and said we're getting all of our troops out by a given date," Lieberman said. "That's a position Ned Lamont has taken."

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http://www.boston.com/news/local/connecticut/articles/2...



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'I'm worried that too many people, both in politics and out, don't appreciate the seriousness of the threat to American security and the evil of the enemy that faces us -- more evil or as evil as Nazism and probably more dangerous than the Soviet communists we fought during the long Cold War,'' Lieberman said.

''If we just pick up like Ned Lamont wants us to do, get out by a date certain, it will be taken as a tremendous victory by the same people who wanted to blow up these planes in this plot hatched in England. It will strengthen them and they will strike again.''

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http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-Lieberman.html
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 12:25 PM
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1. Lieberman is just trying to get the Job
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 01:03 PM
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11. "Judas" Joe wants to become SecDef
There is no way that this turd is going to go quietly!
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Pab Sungenis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 03:42 PM
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15. There we go. There's the grand strategy.
Joe wins as an Independent in November.

January 4, Rumsfeld resigns. Joe is named to replace him.

Joe resigns his seat after confirmation, and Republican governor Jodi Rell gets to name a Republican to Joe's seat.

Dammity, we should have seen this coming sooner.
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 12:25 PM
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2. More evil or as evil as Nazism
Nice hedge...
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pazuzu Donating Member (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 12:27 PM
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3. This won't play well with Joe's Republican base
Edited on Sun Aug-20-06 12:38 PM by pazuzu
They admire Rummy.
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 12:30 PM
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4. At this point , Any Dem's that state the obvious, look foolish ,Hillary too
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 12:34 PM
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5. Joe is in a box. Soon he'll have no friends on either side.
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pazuzu Donating Member (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 12:45 PM
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6. Lieberman critizices Rumsfeld at his own peril!
Why is Joe putting himself in peril?!
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 12:49 PM
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8. He's Got Nothing To Lose
HE's lost his party's support, his voters, the primary, and his dignity, so what difference if he states an obvious fact?
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 01:03 PM
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12. It's no risk. Everyone has criticized Rumsfeld. No risk at all.
That's why Joe is doing it. What a wimp.
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CollegeDUer Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 12:48 PM
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7. He's learning the art of triangulation from Hilary Clinton
Just appease the public by making them think you're on their side, so they'll give you a chance -- rather than actually doing what they want.
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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 12:51 PM
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9. I Agree.....
I don't like LIEberman and Hillary for those reasons..
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pazuzu Donating Member (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 12:58 PM
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10. How can any of us sleep at night without out Rummy
keeping us SAFE?!

Laura Bush said children need to be told that they're SAFE when they're tucked in bed!

Andrea Mitchell just GUSHED over that speech!
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 02:30 PM
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13. Come on' Traitor Joe..... Keep up with the times!
Calling for Rumsfeld's resignation is soooooo 2002, 2003, 2004 and 2005! :eyes:
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 03:22 PM
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14. Bottom line...the war was wrong, based on lies...period.
Edited on Sun Aug-20-06 03:22 PM by MasonJar
It has made Americans at home and abroad less safe, and it has killed many Iraqis and destroyed their country. Impeach Bush/Cheney! Get lost, Joe.
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AusGail Donating Member (325 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 10:58 PM
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16. Why is Joe asking for Rumsfeld's resignation NOW?
What has changed over the last 6 years? That's right, Joe LOST.
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dolstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:26 PM
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20. Actually, he first called for Rumsfeld's resignation in 2003
The person who posted this article very conveniently neglected to include the following portion of the article:

<<Lieberman, an early supporter of the Iraq war, said he called for Rumsfeld to step down in 2003.>>
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:34 PM
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21. Conveniently? The link is provided for you to read the rest of the
article. As it stands, I posted more than the rules allowed, but some are one liners. I could have left out his quote about being the cheerleader, but you'd have probably objected to that too. No one has to jump through hoops to make Lieberman's position look bad, it's even worse than that. The quote in the second box is a direct one.
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dolstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:41 PM
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22. Please, don't tell me you weren't aware
that (1) very few people around here never bother to read the linked article before posting a response and (2) by omitting this sentence, many readers would assume that this represented a change of course for Lieberman, instead of the reiteration of a position Lieberman has held since 2003.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:48 PM
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23. Don't tell me what to emphasize. It's not my job to ensure everyone
reads the entire article. I could have just posted the quote and the link. Get over yourself!
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femmedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 01:49 PM
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26. He has not held this position since 2003.
In May of 2004, Senator Lieberman said this:

"We're in the middle of a war you wouldn't want to have the secretary of defense change unless there's really good reason for it and I don't see any good reason at this time," Lieberman said.

Link at www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,11925,00.html

Also, it's an exaggeration to say that Lieberman called for Rumsfeld's resignation in 2003. He did, when pushed for a straight answer, say that if he were the President, he would ask for Rumsfeld's resignation. That's a bit shy of calling for Rumsfeld's resignation, especially since he preceded that statement by saying it's up to the President.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 03:06 PM
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27. Um, well he changed his mind in 2004:
'Let Us Have Faith'
Why Rumsfeld must stay.

BY JOSEPH I. LIEBERMAN
Friday, May 14, 2004 12:01 a.m. EDT

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110005079

So, which is it?
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:06 PM
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17. he's twisting the Dem position again
He said: "There is still hope in Iraq and as long as there is we cannot just pick up and walk away and leave them to the sure disaster that would follow and would compromise our security in the war on terrorism,"

No Democrat is saying we should pick up and walk away, just like that. He might as well say "cut and run" because he sure means the same thing. A timetable gives Iraq a fair chance to get things together. Although I don't see any real signs that they will be able to do it. The alternative is to stay there for decades, unless somebody can find a diplomatic way out of it.

The truth is, we don't have the troops nor the treasure to keep on this course for very much longer anyway. McCaffrey on MTP today said that in a few more years our military will be essentially broken, and our country will be vulnerable to countries like China. Nice going, Bush.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:06 PM
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18. Lieberman has morphed into a more articulate Bush
Edited on Sun Aug-20-06 11:10 PM by karynnj
He needs someone to remind him that the Iraqis were not involved in this British plot, Pakistanis were.

As Ginny said he totally distorted the Democratic position, in words quite similar to Cheney's. He did it on this show and many others and on the Senate floor. Kerry is simply stating simple truth and NOT distorting Lieberman's words.
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:13 PM
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19. Good grief. Rumsfeld's own mother is probably demanding he quit.
What's next? Lieberman will speak out on other controversial topics like his opposition to Jim Crow laws?
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 04:50 AM
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24. No, that was someone with their hand up Joe's Ass, a PUPPET
Here's my latest work all about Joe LIEberman's ridiculous run as a "Party of One", which reminds me of "Army of One" (which gives ME a mental image of a guy stuck under fire in a foxhole, looking around and saying, "WHERE the hell IS EVERYBODY!!") :) -- Makes about as much sense in a marketing vein. Party of One, Translates into "Party of NONE" when it involved LIEberman, might as well be saying, "Party of ME", eh?

This flash also incorporates the fact that the Terror Lockdown on Liquids, etc came so close on the heels of Joe's Smackdown by Lamont as to not be considered credible - even today they are confirming that people will walk FREE because they don't have the evidence to hold them, let alone that there were NO Explosives in their possession, they hadn't even made reservations, etc, etc..

Meanwhile they talk about charging a PREGNANT woman for having some water, and a face wipe - this flash addresses those concerns as well, the fact that WE are being used as PUPPETS in a The Politics of Terror.

Remember, a republican said they'd ride this last nonThreat all the way into November. Let's prove them wrong.. Let's VOTE for Lamont, as we all know this last Primary was a referendum on Bush and his faked "war". The Nerve of LIEberman to shit all over the Democrats. It's like using a girlfriend to get you through medical school and then snatching up the Trophy Wife once you've graduated. How can we ever trust this Puppet again?

One of my best Flash works ever, and to the Tune of "Masters of War" by Mr Bob Dylan, and no truer words were spoken in our time.

Have a look at:

http://web.takebackthemedia.com/geeklog/public_html/sta...

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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 06:44 AM
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25. "still hope in Iraq"? hope of what, Joe?
I'm pretty sure you don't mean, there's still hope that the foreign invaders who are illegally occupying what was a sovereign nation, mass-murdering its citizens, plundering its resources, raping its women and children, imprisoning its citizens with no trial and no charges, blowing up its infrastructure and centuries-old buildings/monuments/artworks/artifacts as well as homes and businesses--you don't mean there's hope that those fuckers will LEAVE and then, as a kind of penance, throw massive amounts of aid and reparations at them, no strings attached -- ? no, I didn't think so.

for you, like all the other fascist pigs, the "hope" is that the Iraqis can be squashed under your boot-heels, their oil can be converted to greenbacks in your wallet, and that nice palatial embassy can be fitted out with your own private quarters with handmaidens dancing belly dances, feeding you dates, and waving palm branches over you.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 03:15 PM
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28. If Lieberman was actually serious he would demand that
Rumsfailed be Impeached.

Rumsfeld Shouldn't be Fired, He Should be Indicted
by Matthew Rothschild

Secretary Rumsfeld has publicly admitted that . . . he ordered an Iraqi national held in Camp Cropper, a high security detention center in Iraq, to be kept off the prisons rolls and not presented to the International Committee of the Red Cross, the report noted. The Geneva Conventions require countries to grant the Red Cross access to all detainees.

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0418-24.htm
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