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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 12:03 AM
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The attitude of Lieberman, the attitude toward the primary changes...
Edited on Sun Aug-20-06 12:08 AM by madfloridian
is really alarming me for our party. As to Lieberman, he lost and is thumbing his nose at the party. That's a shame.

As to the primary changes, I think more will come in time. I think this is just the beginning. I am not sure how I feel about it, but it was done in the proper manner. Terry McAuliffe appointed a committee in 04, they have had many meetings, they have presented it to the full DNC.

It was done properly, and it is the same basic issue as the Lieberman one...you may not like the results but you need to abide by them for the sake of the party unity and strength. Not fun to do that, but necessary.


Now I read this, where most every one of the 08 candidates have said the DNC decision does not count, that they will not abide by it. New Hampshire has said they not abide by it.

Here is the article:

Dem bums! DNC puts NH behind Nevada

Secretary of State William Gardner said he will choose when New Hampshire Democrats vote for their Presidential candidates -- not the Democratic National Committee, which yesterday ordered the state to share more of the nominating spotlight in 2008.

"As chairman of the Democratic Party, Howard Dean is not going to pick the date of the New Hampshire primary," Gardner told the New Hampshire Sunday News.

..."The primary's going to be held on a date that honors our tradition and the action taken by the DNC dishonors that tradition," Gardner said.

Gov. John Lynch said he has written commitments from 10 likely or potential Presidential candidates promising to campaign in New Hampshire regardless of the date. No one asked has turned him down.

"What a group of party insiders did to our primary is deplorable. The DNC did not give us our primary and they are not going to take it away," Lynch said at the annual Merrimack County Democrats' summer barbecue in Bow.

"The DNC's vote really doesn't matter. The New Hampshire primary is already under way. The New Hampshire primary is here to stay and stay forever," he said.


Ok, here is how I read this. There are a lot of things I don't like about the party. Right now, though, it is what we have. I think the processes were followed and should be respected. I think Lieberman should respect the process as well.

I talked to Bill Nelson's office the other day. I told the aide that loyalty worked both ways. I asked her what if I decided that Bill had not been voting the way I liked, and that I was not going to vote for him.

To me that is the same principal here about Lieberman and the primary changes. When rules are followed in in process, people need to go along. If they don't, chaos will follow. No discipline, no following rules, chaos happens.

Not sure how I would do the primaries, but I think they should go along with the changes. I think Lieberman should be loyal to the party, and support the winner.

Hey, I would be considered most disloyal if I did not vote for Bill Nelson in November. His aide agreed that it works both ways.




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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 12:21 AM
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1. sorry, but i don't see how you can compare it
Edited on Sun Aug-20-06 12:22 AM by JI7
in Lieberman's case he agreed with from the start to run in the Primary. and he lost so he starts acting like an ass. it might have been different if he ran as an independent from the start.

more comparable would be if these candidates ran in the primary and once he lost they started to complain and said they wont abide by it.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 12:30 AM
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2. I was speaking of the new rules passed today at the DNC meeting.
when I was referring to the 08 candidates. It appears they are siding with one state against the new rules. I understand it is hard, but the process was done properly.

That means they will not honor the role of NV and SC at all.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 12:34 AM
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3. i still don't see how you can compare them to Lieberman
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 12:38 AM
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4. Ok, I don't compare them except in following party rules and bylaws.
That was my point. I tried very hard to word it carefully. Lieberman set himself above the rules of the party primary and he is dishonoring CT voters.

Really in a way you can say all the 08 candidates are sort of dishonoring the voters in the two new states added.

I can understand people liking the old way, but not following the rules is not a good idea.
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INdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 08:16 AM
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5. The rules approved by the DNC can only be a recommendation
Every state may hold the primary on the date they choose as set by the State Democratic party...SO NH is correct when they say "we will hold our primary when we want to" The DNC can have all the rules committee meeting they want to but still the states have the last say..And I agree
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 09:51 AM
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6. Ok, so that settles it.
Each state can do as they wish. I don't have a horse in this race, as my primary vote never counts anyway.

So rules are not necessary after all.

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