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LiviaOlivia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 04:59 PM
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Feinstein's campaign co-chair endorses Arnold
Feinstein's campaign co-chair endorses Arnold, gets put "on notice!"
by Neutron
Fri Aug 11, 2006 at 11:16:29 AM PDT
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/8/11/141629/994


I found this tidbit in the comments of our still brand spanking new people powered site GovernorPhil.com. It looks like Dianne Feinstein (who is up for re-election this year, and somehow managed to squeak by without getting Lamont-ed), has a problem. Namely that her campaign co-chair Angela Bradstreet, just mouthed off to the press about how she is not going to vote for Phil Angelides in the fall... and why? Because she's sick of paying taxes! Ohhh... boo hoo...

"Quite frankly, I'm also sick and tired of paying taxes," she said. "And that's Angelides' solution -- raising taxes."

~snip~

"A number of my Democratic friends, who have raised lots of money for Democrats, have said they cannot support Phil," said Angela Bradstreet, a well known San Francisco attorney and co-chair of Sen. Dianne Feinstein's re-election campaign. "This is the first time I can remember it being so pronounced."

Bradstreet, a Democrat who said she is voting for Schwarzenegger, argued that the governor has re-established himself as a moderate who has shown strong leadership on economic issues.


Well quite frankly I'm sick and tired of so-called Bloomberg "democrats" constantly wanting to have the world and not pay for it. It's like the guy who always excuses himself to go to the bathroom whenever the bill comes. Pathetic... Taxes are the dues you pay for living in a modern civilized society. If you don't like the idea of paying taxes, then talk to Enron and the other energy companies that absconded with 9 billion of the states money in the Rolling Blackmail. In fact talk to Arnold about that, as his buddy the departed Ken Lay was one of the people who benefited from that, which instigated the recall that got him into office. Phil Angelides is the only candidate to say what needs to be said. We need to be responsible and pay the debt off, that means tightening the belt a little. Arnold just plans on borrowing and borrowing and borrowing until the states debt becomes insurmountable, much like Bush's plan for the US. Also the idea of Arnold as a moderate is simply laughable, and I wouldn't call a policy to borrow, and borrow until the states debt becomes insurmountable, "strong leadership on economic issues." I can't believe this waste of flesh is on Feinstein's re-election committee.

Hey, she's free to vote however she wants, but if you ask me, she should keep her trap shut, less it affect her candidates election chances.

If this infuriates you as much as it does me, feel free to send DiFi (who's up for re-election this year) an
e-mail

DC office:
Phone: (202) 224-3841
Fax: (202) 228-3954
TTY/TDD: (202) 224-2501

write a local office here

here's the info for the SF office:

SAN FRANCISCO
Jim Molinari, State Director
One Post Street, Suite 2450
San Francisco, CA 94104
415/393-0707
TTY/TDD: 415/249-4785

Write a letter
Senator Dianne Feinstein
United States Senate
331 Hart Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510

Campaign office:
Feinstein for Senate
P.O. Box 67457
Los Angeles, CA 90067
(310) 556-VOTE (8683)

Also Angela Bradstreet... You're on NOTICE!

-C.

update: Called DiFi's campaign office and got a very nervous sounding intern, who took my number and promised somebody would get back with me with a response... we'll see about that. :)

~snip~

update: hat tip to MJB

DiFi appointed Angela Bradstreet to the "Northern California Federal Judicial Advisory Committee", which recommends nominees for federal judgeships in northern California to the California senators and the White House.

Feinstein's appointees on this committee ought to be loyal Democrats.

You know damn well that Bush is only appointing loyal Republicans to judge-picking committees -- he would never give such a plum job to any Republican who endorses Democratic candidates. So why should the Democratic seats on this committee go to fake Democrats like Bradstreet, who work to re-elect Republican governors?

When you call Feinstein's office, ask that she demand that Ms. Bradstreet immediately resign her seat on the Northern California Federal Judicial Advisory Committee.



Feintstein supported Lieberman in the primaries because he was the incumbent Democrat, and she wouldn't even recognize that Lamont existed. Now her campaign co-chair is saying don't vote for the Democrat, vote for the Republican so her taxes will go down. She gives no lip service to the fact that when her taxes go down (and she makes considerably more than I do), mine go up to cover the difference (if not directly, through "user fees," etc.).


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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 05:04 PM
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1. You have no idea what I want to say right now!!!
:argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh:

Arnold is NOT a moderate. He is only acting so to get another term, so then he can f&*$ the state for years to come!
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 05:08 PM
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3. He did this same thing last time, did he not?
Promised everything, then delivered NOTHING.

Surely the people of California are not so stupid that they would give the man a second chance!!!
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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 05:24 PM
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8. We are stupid.
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keepCAblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 05:26 PM
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9. You mean "stupid" as in Spielberg and Katzenberg?
Steven Spielberg and Jeffrey Katzenberg (Dreamworks executive) have both thrown their considerable clout and moolah (to the tune of a $100,000 campaign contribution) behind Ahnold and have publicly avowed their support for his re-election. (http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnews&id=3781)

So now our humble little household must add yet another scum-sucking corporation to our boycott list: Dreamworks. Damn, I was soooo looking forward to seeing Depp in Pirates: Dead Man's Chest. Oh well, perhaps in my next life. Sigh.

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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 01:00 AM
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51. those damn hollywood liberals! throwing around $100,000 to a
political campaign!!

see?

oh wait...they gave it to a republican??? cough.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 05:07 PM
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 05:31 PM
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12. I'm already considering voting for Todd myself...
And I think he'd make a better candidate than Medea Benjamin (much as I like her for other things she does), who I voted for last time when she was the Green's candidate against DiFi in 2000.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 05:43 PM
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14. Really? So it's okay if I start posting links supporting the Libertarian
candidate?

How about Peace and Freedom?

Shit, is Robert Anton Wilson's Guns and Dope Party fielding a candidate?



...Sorry, Jack. While I think this member of DiFi's campaign staff needs to be canned for this, I don't think it means that you can start shilling for the Green Party candidate here.

I could be wrong, but I'm not.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 05:57 PM
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 06:05 PM
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19. I'm not a DiFi fan.
But she's the DEMOCRATIC nominee for Senate. The same logic that says "they" need to support Lamont because he won the primary applies to her. The time to defeat her was in the primary.

At the very least, "we" (by the way, just out of curiosity.... how many Democrats in the Senate have taken what you conisider an "acceptable" position on Israel, Hezbollah and Lebanon? And which ones?) need to follow the DU rules when advocating on DU.

You don't really want me to quote you the rules, do you?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 06:00 PM
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 06:07 PM
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21. Then I won't vote for her aide, I guess.

I'm not voting for the fucking Green Party, that's for sure.

The aide should be fired, that's my opinion. Of course, Arnold hired a Democrat, so maybe she'll try to spin this as "bipartisanship".
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 06:32 PM
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24. I'm not voting for a fucking war supporter. eom
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 05:43 PM
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15. We can't endorse him on this board
but I sure as hell can vote for him. I made my mind up on this a LONG time ago.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 06:15 PM
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22. Thank you, thank you, thank you, for proving this information!
Take a look at this platform of TODD CHRETIEN, and tell me who is the Democrat--Chretien or Feinstein?

Bring the Troops Home NOW | Abolish the USA Patriot Act | Build Schools Not Jails | Create Decent Jobs with Union Rights | Defend Abortion Rights | End the Death Penalty and Three Strikes | Equal Rights for Immigrants | Legalize Gay Marriage | National Health Care | Punish Corporate Polluters | Raise Taxes on the Richest 1%

Do you agree with this Chretien platform? On at least 8 out of 11 of these items, Feinstein is on the WRONG SIDE!

So, WHAT ARE WE DOING voting for Feinstein, and not Chretien? We are supporting more war in the Middle East, more Patriot Act destruction of our civil rights, more jails, fewer decent jobs with union rights, more state murder and incarceration, no national health care, more corporate pollution and more tax breaks for the rich.

That's Feinstein--and she hires, appoints and promotes people like Angela Bradstreet WHO ARE OPENLY DECLARING CLASS WARFARE.

Personally, I think I've had it with this. This loyal California Democratic voter of 40 years is ready to vote Green on this one.

I found out too late about the great leftist Democratic candidate--Michael Strimling--who ran for CA governor in the Angelides/Wesley race. I voted for him but didn't have much time to spread the word. I was very unhappy with the two Dem candidates. Angelides is head and shoulders above Schwarzenegger (a Ken Lay/George Schultz project to deny Calif any recompense from the Enron $9 billion theft from this state, and a general Bushite project to turn Calif into a "red" state--don't be fooled by any B.S. Schwarzenegger IS NOT A CENTRIST!) But Angelides is something of a Davis clone--big on the big contributing unions, pro-capital punishment, pro-prison-industrial complex, etc.--quite vague on a lot of things, and nowhere near being the leftist we need. He is like a "maintenance" candidate--trying to maintain something that we got robbed of already--our prosperity, AND much of our democracy.

Compare and contrast with former state senator DEBRA BOWEN who is running for CA Secretary of State--there is a flame in her, a sense that you are connecting with a very smart and passionate individual who is going to damn well clean up this election system.

I'm voting for Angelides, for much the same reasons I voted for Kerry (thinking all the votes would be counted--which didn't happen then, and ain't gonna happen now): that the alternative is a dangerous fascist.

Voting for a Green is problem for me. I will need to feel reassured that the Republican candidate Dick Mountjoy has no chance of winning. I get the sense that he is a throwaway candidate--not serious. But I don't know for sure. There are 2 or 3 issues on which Feinstein and I agree (mainly women's rights). On MOST other things--also matters of vital interest--she might as well be a Bushite. And it is people like her about whom I feel the most acute sense of betrayal. Bush--what can you expect? Bushites are Bushites--the lowest species of life on earth. But a Democratic Bushite? What is that? Some kind of ugly, malformed thing like a platypus or a hyena.



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LiviaOlivia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 07:04 PM
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26. The Penn situation has done real damage to the Green Party
The national Green Party supported the Penn Greens' GOP $$$ bribes even after it was revealed instead of cutting them off at the knees. As far as I'm concerned, the Greens are NOT progressives and do not deserve any progressive support, even symbolic. They're money whores. They take GOP $$$$.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 07:58 PM
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27. And what do you do when Democrats take corporate money?
Global corporate predators are destroying our country. Our sons and daughters are dying in Iraq, and we are being bankrupted, for a private corporate oil war. Corporations have bought our government, are polluting our environment, are in fact killing the planet, are stealing resources and paying slave labor wages abroad, and are fighting worker protections, decent wages and labor unions here. They are denying us universal health care. They are gouging on oil and energy prices at every turn. They are furthermore "counting" all our votes with TRADE SECRET, PROPRIETARY programming code, in the highly expensive, crapass, extremely insider hackable new electronic voting systems--yet another triumph of corrupt corporate lobbying. They are completely out of control.

Have you voted for any Democrats who take money from these corrupt private entities? You are supporting their crimes if you do!

Tell me about the "money whores" in our own party! Tell me why we have BUSHITE corporate controlled trade secret vote tabulation!

This is a very narrow issue on which to make such a sweeping judgement.

It's ridiculous to condemn the MINOR corruption in the Green Party, which is an extremely poor party, when our own party is guilty of massive corruption, sell-outs to the military-industrial complex, and frequent betrayal of its poorest constituents and of rank and file opinion.

----------------------------

Take a look at this TODD CHRETIEN platform, and ask yourself, how many Democratic leaders do you know of, who are as reflective of Democratic rank and file opinion in this country, as this is?:

"Bring the Troops Home NOW | Abolish the USA Patriot Act | Build Schools Not Jails | Create Decent Jobs with Union Rights | Defend Abortion Rights | End the Death Penalty and Three Strikes | Equal Rights for Immigrants | Legalize Gay Marriage | National Health Care | Punish Corporate Polluters | Raise Taxes on the Richest 1%."

The only thing hard about a choice between CHRETIEN and FEINSTEIN is the word "Democrat." Feinstein claims to be, and isn't. Chretien, a Green, is. The other factor is the minor party "spoiler" effect--something to take into consideration. The overwhelming majority of Greens, and the overwhelming majority of former Nader voters, did the right thing in 2004, and voted for Kerry, to help us all get rid of Bush. That seems like a wise and well-considered policy, but when it comes to a Senate candidate who is barely better than Bush, they have every right and even a duty to offer an alternative, and for us to consider it.

I would never base such a decision on some minor flaws or corruption in one or several small, local alternative parties. I would base it on the person and on the issues, and on the general political picture. This seems like a very opportune moment to "send Feinstein a message." That's what we are considering here. Your comment just isn't helpful in this decision.



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LiviaOlivia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 08:23 PM
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28. Minor?
Edited on Fri Aug-11-06 08:47 PM by LiviaOlivia
I should have said CHEAP whores. Fuck Nader. He took GOP $$ also. Nader enabled Bush and the neocons to come into power in the 2000 election.

I'm sick of Greens saying they're different and that their shit don't stink. Bullshit.
Did you read the national Green Party press release? Disgusting.
http://www.gp.org/press/pr_2006_08_04.shtml

In PA, Big-Time GOP Donors Show True Colors: Green
By Justin Rood - August 2, 2006
A Halliburton lobbyist giving money to the Green Party?

That's right, folks, you have now officially heard everything: A $1,000 donation to a local Pennsylvania Green Party chapter came from Bill Wichterman, a senior lobbyist at Washington, D.C.'s Covington & Burling. Wichterman, a former aide to Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-TN), now lobbies for such corporate behemoths as Halliburton, Chevron and Unisys. A Green Party candidate in the Pennsylvania Senate race can't win -- even if he's well-funded. In fact, it might even throw the race to the Republican incumbent, Sen. Rick Santorum. But that hasn't deterred Wichterman and other GOP power players from quietly supporting their secret dream: to see a Green Party senator emerge from the Pennyslvania hills.

Standing beside Wichterman (metaphorically) is Steven Taylor, the onetime prepared salad king of Salinas, Calif. He gave $1,000 to the movement. His wife did, too. Taylor, now retired, ran the Fresh Express empire, a major player in the "bagged produce" world. Though now it appears he secretly longed for that produce to be free. Steven apparently inspired younger Taylors with his dreaming: Students Kyle and Christian Taylor, who share an address with Steven, gave $4,000 apiece to the Greens. They're no fools, of course: to hide their innocent idealism, they conspired with young Meghan -- their sister, I believe -- to spread around roughly $180,000 to conservative causes over the past five years. In covering her tracks, Meghan's outdone the other two: in 2004 she parlayed a spot on the Bush/Cheney '04 campaign into a job as a White House scheduler, FEC reports show. Clearly deep undercover to destroy the Man, she didn't dare blow her story with a donation to the Pennsylvania Greens.

And then there's Mark Pasquerilla, a self-described "big Republican" and the scion of Pennsylvania's Crown American family, which made hundreds of millions of dollars off of shopping malls, department stores, and other weapons of the consumerist, anti-human machine. Overwhelmed with guilt at what he and his forebears have wrought, Pasquerilla ponied up $5,000 for the Pennsylvania Greens. From each according to his means, to each according to his needs, right?

But most striking to me is the support the Greens got from even a member of the old guard: an earnest $1,000 donation to the Greens from Gary Andres, a lobbyist for Dutko Worldwide, one of the biggest players in Washington's K Street crowd. By day, Andres shills for the drug company group PhRMA and the New York Stock Exchange, among other clients. He's an official "GOP insider" according to National Journal, and contributes articles to the conservative Washington Times and National Review in his spare time. But in the late evenings, we now know, he convenes in dank basements with angry bicycle messengers and struggling beat revival poets to plot a people's revolution. Who knew these guys secretly hum "The People Have the Power" in the tub? That they covertly stick "hugs not bombs" stickers on lampposts on their way to important meetings? That, even as they grease the wheels of the giant money machine we call Washington, they're secretly scoping out where to shove a monkey wrench in the works?

http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/001257.php

And let's not forget the Green Party's Mr. Zimmerman on trial in Minneapolis
http://minneapolisconfidential.blogspot.com/

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LiviaOlivia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 09:12 PM
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33. Also why does the Green Party use Florida-based JSM Inc. ?
to gather petitions?

clippings (from Nexis):

Worcester Telegram & Gazette. Oct. 13, 2005:
A 21-year-old Florida college student who spent more than two weeks in Massachusetts collecting signatures for initiative petitions at stores and shopping malls said in an interview that she quit the job because of what she described as "sleazy" tactics used to obtain signatures.
Angela McElroy told the Telegram & Gazette that she took the job with the Florida-based petition-gathering firm JSM Inc. after a friend told her about making money by working on petition drives throughout the country. Upon taking the job, she said she was told her goal was to collect as many signatures as possible "and leave the state before the dust settles."

St. Petersburg Times, October 23, 2004:
Jacoby appeared this summer at the election office in Gainesville with a box of about 1,200 voter registration cards. Of those, about 510 voters had switched to the GOP.
Elections Supervisor Beverly Hill spoke with Jacoby and grew suspicious. She randomly called the Republicans to verify they wanted to switch. All of them said, "Absolutely not," Hill said. "They didn't even know they had signed a registration form," Hill said.
Jacoby could not be reached for comment. His company worked for a company called JSM Inc., which in turn worked for Arno Political Consultants, a Sacramento, Calif., firm that qualified 300 ballot initiatives in 20 states.

Akron Beacon Journal; October 13, 2004:
A federal judge in Columbus refused Tuesday to place independent presidential candidate Ralph Nader on the Ohio ballot because the campaign's petition circulators committed "widespread" and "substantial" fraud.
The same Florida company -- JSM Inc. -- that paid its workers by the signature to get Nader on the ballot also was hired to gather the signatures to put an anti-gay marriage initiative on the ballot. Several signatures gathered in Summit County for the issue have turned out to be forgeries.

Associated Press, Charleston, W.Va., Aug. 24, 2004:
Independent presidential candidate Ralph Nader should be kept off West Virginia's general election ballot because tactics used to obtain signatures on petitions violated state election laws, the state attorney general's office said in a lawsuit filed Monday....
At least 20 complaints were filed with Manchin's office during July and August involving the tactics used by people hired to collect signatures for Nader's petitions. One complaint claimed a worker said she was being paid $2 a signature.
The lawsuit alleges that petition workers violated state law by not displaying credentials that would identify them as seeking signatures for Nader; failing to inform voters of the petition's purpose; displaying the petition in a way that failed to show it was for Nader; and refusing, delaying or giving inconsistent or misleading answers to questions from those who signed the petition.
The campaign had hired JSM Inc. of Florida to obtain the signatures. Company president Jenny Breslin has attributed problems to a misunderstanding of local rules.

http://www.attytood.com/archives/003610.html
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LiviaOlivia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 09:22 PM
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35. So because I'm a Dem I'm a criminal? That's a personal attack.
Edited on Fri Aug-11-06 09:31 PM by LiviaOlivia
Or is it because I criticize the Green Party that I'm a criminal? Or both?
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 03:11 PM
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43. Sorry to get back this late to your reply, and sorry you missed my irony.
Perhaps I did not express myself well, and I'm sorry if you misunderstood. I did not mean to say you are a criminal. I meant that we--the Democratic Party--are "the pot calling the kettle black" if we attack the Green Party on campaign donations. To me, corporate donations are equivalent to fascist donations, and no different from GOP donations. I'm not calling YOU a criminal. I'm saying that painting all Greens and Green candidates as anathema, because of campaign donation irregularities or questionable sources strikes me as hypocritical. I'm also saying that this issue is neither here nor there to me, in what is an enormously filthy political environment on the whole--with the major parties being the worst offenders.

Instead of trying to tear the Greens down, I think we should respond to the Greens by pushing our own party more to the Left. If the Greens have the power--the votes!--to alter election outcomes between Dems and Repubs, then hadn't we better pay attention to what those voters want? They are LEFTIST voters, from everything I know about them. They are not rightwingers. They are not phantoms. People are voting for Greens because they are UNHAPPY WITH THE DEMOCRATS.

It does no good to accuse the Greens of being corrupt, or a GOP front, or whatever is being implied in these criticisms. WHATEVER the reason for their power--and I am inclined to believe that the main part of it IS discontented Democratic voters, far more than it is GOP money--we don't woo those voters by disparaging their choices!

All this sniping at the Greens makes Democrats seem small-minded, petty, undemocratic, and oblivious to the failures and corruption in our own party.

WHY NOT LISTEN TO GREEN VOTERS--and respond with greener and more radical policies? THAT's democracy! THAT'S coalition building! THAT's how to win!
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 09:26 PM
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36. No comparison
Greens are taking money from the GOP to damage Dem candidates. Dems taking money from corporations pales in comparison.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 03:48 PM
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44. I don't agree. Please see my reply above. It's all one to me. People
WILL contribute money where they think it will gain them political advantage--as long as they able to. Whether it's the GOP or Bechtel or MoveOn.com. And the SCALE of Dem/Repub money filth (fatcat money, corporate money) is far beyond anything the Greens could ever dream of. And the scale of the IMPACTS of that money coming into Dem/Repub coffers is almost beyond calculating--and includes at least half of our political officials often siding with Bushites, corporations and the super-rich, and the other half (most of them) siding wih the dark lords SOME of the time. That's one powerful "Fort Knox" of political money! Green coffers are nothing by comparison.

I think we should get off this matter, and address the issues. What are the concerns of Green Party voters? Why are most of them disaffected Dem voters? Why are we failing to RETAIN them as voters? I've watched the development of a local Green Party, and even went to a meeting, and they have very LEGITIMATE gripes with the Democrats. Why are we not addressing those legitimate gripes, instead of trying to tear Greens down? I think tearing them down is a very short-sighted strategy--ESPECIALLY since these are people with whom we--the left, and rank and file Dems--have a lot of common ground.

I think that the corporate news monopolies have succeeded in one respect--and only one respect: They have convinced US--the middle, the real mainstream of the country--that we are far left. We fear the label "leftist radical" because we have unconsciously absorbed their message that the rightwing is the middle. But, if you review all the corporate and independent issue and opinion polls over the last several years, you find that just the opposite is true. The rightwing is still the minority it always has been. And most Americans are actually progressives. How has this great progressive American majority been disempowered? --is the question we should be asking. Or, better yet, how has it been DISENFRANCHISED?

The fascists have TILTED the IMAGE of who Americans are far to the right. But this is just imaging and illusion--a product of the corporate monopoly of the news (run basically by 5 fatcat, rightwing, billionaire CEOs). I think we would be VERY SURPRISED by how Americans would react to some of the Green's "radical left" policies.

I'm for coalitions of the people WHO CARE--the people who represent the interests of the majority and the common good of all--whatever they call themselves. And if OUR PARTY no longer represents those things, or is so weak in leadership skills and vision that it represents them ineffectively--then we had better ask ourselves and OUR leaders about that, not the Greens. And it does no good sniping at the Greens, if WE are failing to represent the majority and the common good.
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LiviaOlivia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 06:44 PM
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48. Geeeez
If you had demonstrated and provided proof of your feet hitting the asphalt in order to help the Dem
party prior to your giving up I might have an ounce of respect for you. But you didn't so I don't.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 05:13 PM
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4. Fasten your seatbelt, DiFi
You're in for a bumpy ride.
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xkenx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 05:15 PM
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5. That person is a moron parroting Arnold's lyin' ads
Phil Angelides' tax proposals are for raising taxes ONLY on the very wealthy. This state is suffering from crumbling infrastructure, inadequate school funding (started by Saint Ronnie). Arnold is a standard Rethug beholden to big business. If Dianne Feinstein condones that kind of crap from any of her people, then we'll kick her sorry ass out the next time. Barbara Boxer is the only true Democrat of our senators. Get behind Phil Angelides, a true democrat.
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keepCAblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 05:15 PM
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6. Grrrrr!
I was sooooo disappointed when DINO DiFi won (so decidedly) in this last primary. Don't Californians 'get it' -- that this DINO is no more of a "democrat" than is LIEberman? It doesn't surprise me one bit that DiFi has surrounded herself with other DINOs, like Bradstreet, who represent everything the democratic party is fighting hard to defeat.

Grrrrrr! :grr:
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 05:19 PM
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7. This is DiFi's first senate campaign
in which I won't be voting; I'm no longer a resident of CA. If I were, I'd be telling her: fire Bradstreet or lose my vote.
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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 05:27 PM
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10. She probably falls into the high tax bracket that Angelides
says he wants to raise taxes on. I say, tax 'em!
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 05:28 PM
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11. Fire her. Immediately.
Edited on Fri Aug-11-06 05:28 PM by longship
Sorry, Democrats have a dog in that race. She can support Arnold all she wants, but by doing so publically, she has tied DiFi's office to support for a Republican. That cannot stand.

She needs to go, immediately.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 06:27 PM
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23. Why would she? DiFi probably prefers Arnold to Angelides
We may be seeing another DINO drop any pretense of being Democratic.
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 06:35 PM
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25. Yes, certainly fits into her interests. Who knows what she does
on her ballot.

What we do know, and is quite public from her Senate Voting record and her public speeches is that she supports this insane, immoral,stupid war in Iraq, and gives unconditional support to Israel's policies (olmert gets from her what Clinton and Bush do not).
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 08:48 PM
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30. Fine. Then, let DiFi announce it publically and see what happens.
More bollocks.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 08:55 PM
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31. I agree. She should be keeping it to herself.
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redacted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 05:39 PM
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13. FIRE HER SICK SORRY ASS RIGHT NOW DAMMIT
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 05:50 PM
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16. Dear LiviaOlivia,
I just dressed up your paragraph "Well, quite frankly...." in Comic san sarif and faxed it to difi's DC office.

It is a beautiful paragraph!
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 06:06 PM
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20. DiFi is so busy supporting the Bush/Olmert war on Lebanon, she
may not have the time or inclination to fire this aid.

She makes me so mad i can spit. if spit could travel 12 miles it would land on her office window in San Francisco.

We need to put DiFi on notice.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 08:27 PM
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29. Arnie has "reestablished himself as a moderate", she says. Right
just in time for the 2006 election. :eyes:
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 08:57 PM
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32. What an idiot to fall for Arnie's election hoax.
Course DiFi's a Republican too.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 09:17 PM
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34. Blast it all. I'm calling on Monday.
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LiviaOlivia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 09:51 PM
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37. You're the best! Thanks Rose.
Rose=O8)
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mhatrw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 01:06 AM
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38. I once sent DiFi an angry letter about her support for getting rid of
Edited on Sat Aug-12-06 01:06 AM by mhatrw
estate taxation.

She sent me back a slew of Heritage Foundation arguments about small family businesses, the death tax, and "double taxation."

That's all you need to know about her when it comes to her rich vs. the rest of us taxation principles.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 01:36 AM
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39. A cheap labor Democrat. Too bad she waited to do this until after
her primary. There will be another in 6 years.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 03:47 AM
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40. Hey Dianne...does the name Joe Lieberman ring a bell?
:grr:
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 05:03 AM
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41. just another reason why i'm leaving that spot blank
when i vote this year.

difi's time is past.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 06:34 AM
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42. Bradstreet was running her mouth at least as far back as August 5
A handful of longtime Democrats have defected to Schwarzenegger in recent weeks. They include former Rep. Doug Bosco of Santa Rosa and Angela M. Bradstreet, a San Francisco lawyer and prominent fundraiser for Feinstein.

"The point is the governor is a moderate," Bradstreet said. "I think he is a strong leader."

http://ktla.trb.com/news/la-me-dems5aug05,0,5444772.story?coll=ktla-news-1


If Feinstein doesn't dump Bradstreet right away, and if I were a California voter, I would be making my displeasure well known. I didn't realize what a DINO Feinstein is until I read this message string.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 04:04 PM
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45. WTF?!!!
Sounds like another DLC Dem is just asking to get Lieberman'd.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 10:53 AM
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46. This needs a kick to help generate some calls this AM!
Need to tell DiFi that we'll support the candidate that doesn't have a campaign that supports Republicans, and that would be Todd Chretien unless she FIRES BRADSTREET and disavows her TODAY!
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LiviaOlivia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 03:36 PM
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47. More info on Bradstreet
from Chris Bowers
http://www.mydd.com/story/2006/8/12/145154/489

I have also found out more on Bradstreet since then, including that she is very good friends with Susan Kennedy. Susan Kennedy is the "Democrat" Schwarzengegger hired as his Chief of Staff to much hoopla in order to boost his "bi-partisan" credentials. He also pays her $11,000 a month from the state and $8,000 to a month from his campaign (plus a $25,000 "signing bonus"). That is a pretty fat taxpayer salary, but it is worth every penny for Arnold. Republicans have known for some time that if you can buy off a few prominent "Democrats," it is easy to make your position appear to be the "bi-partisan" position. This is, of course, one of the main reasons why we worked to hard to take down Lieberman. We seem to be running up against a Bay Area circle of rich Democratic donors not unlike the one Matt writes about in Manhattan.

As a final note, I wish to say that the points many made in yesterday's thread about how attorneys in Bradstreet's position are deeply involved in counseling employers to develop solid anti-discrimination policies, and that it is certainly not incommensurate with progressivism to have large corporate clients were well taken. That being said, from what many wrote it seems clear that Bradstreet herself is clearly not a progressive, and her willingness to take down Democrats means she should be kept away from speaking on behalf of Democrats at all costs.


And Ms. Bradstreet please remind us of Arnold's position on gay marriage?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 06:52 PM
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49. Gawd! I hope Phil Angelides
wins..any word on who Rob Reiner supports, yet? :)
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 11:51 PM
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50. She's ALSO co-chair of Ahnold's "bipartisan" re-election team!
Edited on Wed Aug-16-06 11:53 PM by calipendence
Check out her bio page at the CBM Law website page. Look for two consecutive bullet items on the left side of the page under "Community Activities" that will DISGUST you! She's not just voting for Arnold, she's WORKING for his re-election folks! This is UNACCEPTABLE! We should be writing LTTE and force DiFi's hand on this!



Community Activities

Statewide co-chair, Senator Dianne Feinstein’s re-election campaign (Current)

Co-chair, Statewide Bipartisan Leadership Team for Governor Schwarzenegger's re-election campaign (Current)
...


Here's a list with more "chairs" and "co-chairs" of Arnold's campaign... Includes folks like Rob Lowe is on it too.

Checking both this list of Arnold's endorsements and Feinstein's endorsements...

Arnold's list:
http://www.joinarnold.com/site/c.jkIVLdMTJrE/b.1805067/k.9A4E/Endorsements.htm

DiFi's list:
http://smartvoter.org/2000/11/07/ca/state/vote/feinstein_d/endorse.html

Another person on both list is John Chambers of Cisco Systems. It's interesting to see his political contributions page:

http://www.newsmeat.com/ceo_political_donations/John_Chambers.php



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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:29 AM
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52. I wonder what Bradstreet's relationship with Arnold's COS Susan Kennedy is
Edited on Sun Aug-20-06 11:30 AM by calipendence
Bradstreet is listed in this article as a lesbian defending gay issues in cases such as this one about the Boy Scouts:

http://www.scoutingforall.org/aaic/2002082901.shtml

Of course recently Arnold named gay Susan Kennedy as his chief of staff over the last "six months" that Bradstreet says Arnold has been "incredibly strong".

Kennedy was also communications director for Dianne Feinstein as well. Look here.

http://www.sffaith.com/ed/news/0203news.htm

In this article, she herself cites Arnold's appointment of Kennedy as her reason for supporting Arnold.

http://www.sacbee.com/content/politics/story/14298155p-15157073c.html

Bradstreet is one of many campaign co-chairs for Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein, one of Angelides most stalwart supporters. But she doesn't like Angelides' tax proposals and thinks Schwarzenegger "has had an incredibly strong last six months" in advancing plans to rebuild California's infrastructure.

She also likes the way the governor appointed a Democrat, Susan Kennedy, as his chief of staff, and says he "has done a very good job of separating himself" from President Bush on global warming, offshore oil drilling and stem cell research.


Someone else on MyDD says the same thing:
http://www.mydd.com/story/2006/8/12/145154/489
I have also found out more on Bradstreet since then, including that she is very good friends with Susan Kennedy. Susan Kennedy is the "Democrat" Schwarzengegger hired as his Chief of Staff to much hoopla in order to boost his "bi-partisan" credentials. He also pays her $11,000 a month to from the state and $8,000 to a month from his campaign (plus a $25,000 "signing bonus"). That is a pretty fat taxpayer salary, but it is worth every penny for Arnold. Republicans have known for some time that if you can buy off a few prominent "Democrats," it is easy to make your position appear to be the "bi-partisan" position. This is, of course, one of the main reasons why we worked to hard to take down Lieberman. We seem to be running up against a Bay Area circle of rich Democratic donors not unlike the one Matt writes about in Manhattan.




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