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inthebrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:01 PM
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I CALL BULLSHIT ON THIS "CODE RED"!!!!
Let's have a look at how these last 36 hours have shaken out.


1)Lieberman loses his primary.

2)We have Dick Cheney alluding that the left is in cahoots with Al Queda.

3) A terror plot is foiled in the UK

4) The alert level goes up for the first time since the 04 elections.

The only thing I need fear are other paranoid guttersnipes telling me I need to be as paranoid as they are. The only way the right wing wins in this country is through fear.


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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:03 PM
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1. So, the British intelligence agencies are sympathetic with Holy Joe?
Edited on Thu Aug-10-06 12:03 PM by Buzz Clik
And you're certain of this because .... ????
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:03 PM
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2. dubya kisses tony too you know
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inthebrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:06 PM
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4. Be afraid!!!
Buy duct tape and keep an eye out for those guys working at the 7/11.

It's bullshit.

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Snivi Yllom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:17 PM
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10. the little voices told him so
or something like that....

:crazy:
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 03:49 PM
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32. I'll say it again, to prove just how foolish you sounded all the other
Edited on Thu Aug-10-06 03:55 PM by TankLV
times.

Sorry honey, you're argument just failed, BIG TIME.

Try spouting repuke spin again next time around.

You still won't win, but it sure is fun seeing you go down in flames!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph ...

And they just keep on cumming. Another one to put a few nails in your coffin:

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/10/cheney-ct


Together we are many. We cannot be defeated.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:38 PM
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16. they were sympathetic to Iraqs WMD programs
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inthebrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 01:14 PM
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18. and babaies pulled from incubators.
How coincidental that Lieberman loses and now we have this going on.
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loveable liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:03 PM
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3. I'm with you. n/t
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boolean Donating Member (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:07 PM
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5. Too many coincidences
It's EVERY FUCKING ELECTION YEAR we get this shit. For how many years now? Where are the terror alerts on the off years?

This is bullshit. I don't doubt terrorists are plotting things. But the media only reports it as if it's the end of the world during election years. Always a couple of months before the actual election so that it doesn't look too obvious.

I bet terror suspects are caught ALL THE TIME. But it's only reported right before the election. If they were reported all the time, people would start to realize that Iraq and the bungling foreign policy has created more of them. But report them right before the elections, and it gives the perfect amount of fear and talking points to the GOP.

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inthebrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:10 PM
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6. It's called "priming the pump"
Those that own a BB gun are familiar with that.

Fear wins elections. Conservativism is built on fear. The more fear they pump into people the more likely they are to vote for these MCarthyite assholes!!!!
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:15 PM
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7. I have stopped believing in coincidences.
;)
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:15 PM
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8. It's only red for planes coming from the U.K.
...and they've all been grounded or diverted...

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Snivi Yllom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:16 PM
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9. What does a terror plot in the UK have to to with Ned Lamont?
Absolutely nothing.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 03:40 PM
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28. THANK YOU!!
Ah...so refreshing to see some sanity here!
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 03:42 PM
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29. I'm so sick of this "timing" excuse. It's ALWAYS used.
No matter what the timing.

If it's too scary or uncomfortable to face, that's one thing. But get a new mantra already.
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inthebrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 03:46 PM
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30. How about some common sense.....
Why raise the alert level over a terror plot that you've "foiled"? Does that make sense to you?

Tom Ridge admitted that this is what the administration has been doing with the DHS.

Here's Ken Mehlman this week.

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/...5/-1/BUSINESS07




<<<<<<"America faces a critical question," Mehlman said in his prepared text. "Will we elect leaders who recognize we're at war and want to use every tool to win it, or politicians who would surrender important tools we need to win?"

If Democrats win control of Congress, Mehlman claimed that their leaders will stop the National Security Agency from eavesdropping on foreign terrorists and pursue impeachment of President Bush.>>>>>>>


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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 03:54 PM
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34. How on earth would you know we've foiled it?
I posted this on another thread, but it bears repeating:

Unless you've got some special info from the terrorists themselves, how do we know they've gotten all the active participants? There may be more in the UK and there certainly may be others in other countries, particularly the US. So, unless you have a crystal ball, I'd say we don't know that the threat isn't still out there.

Plus, let me add this - and it echoes a post by William Pitt earlier - it can't be both ways, DU. You can't argue that the whole thing is a scam and then in the next post argue that the plot has been stopped so there's no need for the terror alert. This isn't specifically to you, inthebrain, as I don't know what your specific posts are - but there are many on DU that are guilty of this.

I'm really starting to think all this protesting is just fear - it's too scary to accept the reality of the situation, so it's easier to laugh it off as a Bush tactic. Of the two options, I'd rather have it be a Bush tactic, but I'm afraid it's just not.
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inthebrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 04:01 PM
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36. I'm not saying they foiled the plot
Those are the words of the administration today. They are saying they "foiled" the plot.

Get it?

And they raise the alery level for what particular purpose? To scare and confuse the fuck out of you!!!!!!!!

Capiche?
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 06:05 PM
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39. I didn't see that - have a link? (nt)
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Doremus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 05:57 PM
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38. Um, if they didn't foil the plot why did they go public?
Please. We might have been born at night, but not last night.

Bliar and Shrub need to "foil" plots every so often to "prove" they're ever so vigilantly fighting the "war on terror."

Scaring the bejeezus out of voters doesn't hurt either. They haven't been polling very well on security, so pumping that up is an added bonus.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 06:06 PM
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40. They didn't go public - they waited around until it was about to be made
public by others.
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erpowers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:02 PM
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53. Not Too Scary
It is not that it is too scary to face. It is when you look at what has been said in the last few days and the movies that will be coming out this month it seems like this might be one of those fake stories. This has happened too many times when the terror alert was raised and then weeks or months later it was pointed out that there was not need to raise the alert. There have also been too many times when this administration claimed to have stopped a terror threat and then it was found out that there was really no terror threat to stop. I see nothing wrong with the people who constantly question these alerts considering what has happened before.
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fuzzyball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 06:27 PM
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43. Why on earth are you expecting "sanity" here????
I have a feeling they don't even believe the towers were
blasted off into rubble. That was just some stupid movie plot.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 03:50 PM
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33. Opps - somebody hasn't been paying attention:
Sorry honey, you're argument just failed, BIG TIME.

Try spouting repuke spin again next time around.

You still won't win, but it sure is fun seeing you go down in flames!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph ...
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mhatrw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 06:25 PM
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42. CODE RED! CODE RED! CODE RED!
I think many of the major discussions going on around here are completely missing the point.

Sure, there may be something to this "foiled terrorist plot." Just because they are constantly pissing on our feet and telling us it's raining doesn't mean that it can't actually rain.

But that's not the real issue here. The issue is not whether or not this plot is as full of crap as the MIAMI SEVEN. The issue is] that the Bush administration has once again teamed with our breathless chicken little corporate media to hype a "TERRA TERRA TERRA" story to kingdom come for strictly political reasons.

Scotland Yard may or may not have caught a bunch of dangerous would-be terrorists, and the timing of this may or may not have been orchestrated to the day. But there is one thing we know for sure, and that is that BushCo yelling "CODE RED! CODE RED! CODE RED!" about this already foiled plot was and is a calculated PR gambit. And our corporate media is, once again, more than happy to play Charlie Brown to BushCo's "TERRA ALERT" Lucy football.
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fuzzyball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 06:31 PM
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46. They fucked up the timing...if it was discovered on monday, Lieberman
may have defeated Lamont by 2% (which was the percentage
by which if switched Lieberman wins)
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RatRacer Donating Member (176 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:23 PM
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11. Time to don the...


C'mon people. This kind of stuff makes us look ridiculous.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:26 PM
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12. Is it ridiculous...
to think that this administration spins and twists facts, outright lies, and makes mountains out of molehills in order to advance their own agenda?
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inthebrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:26 PM
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13. Tell that to Tom Ridge
Remember him?

The guy Bush appointed to lead the DHS?

The same guy after he resigned critisized the Republicans for raising the alert levels for ridiculous reasons before the election. He even admitted that they raised the level for crap that happened months before and had no basis in fact.

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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:29 PM
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14. This time I don't think so.
Edited on Thu Aug-10-06 01:01 PM by Writer
Perhaps, yes, twenty British-born men of "Asian persuasion" (as was reported) may actually have tried bringing liquid explosives onto airplanes...

but the timing and selling of this - the ALERT! ALERT! ALERT! aspects of this are well-suited to remind us that we are to remain in fear. Why show your hand to terrorists? Why was this suddenly not a government secret from British and American sources?

I call bullshit.

On edit: On top of that, only last week did Britain adopt the American terror alert system. I don't think it's just coincidence that it was put into play today. :mad:
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inthebrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 02:15 PM
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26. Why raise the alert over a foiled plot?
That's the real question here. The only answer I have is that they want to scare the crap out of everyone.

These folks were also reported as Pakistani.

This whole thing is 100% about fear.
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mhatrw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 06:28 PM
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44. CODE RED! CODE RED! CODE RED!
Be on the look out for raving DUers looking ridiculous!

Their cynicism about BushCo's constant broken record terror alerts may be dangerous!
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:32 PM
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15. I'm calling bullshit on your bullshit.
We will know soon enough what the Met police have on these guys. Of course, it might require some patience to find out.
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inthebrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 01:00 PM
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17. I have Nat guard helecptors flying over my house
It's bullshit.

Even the media that's reporting this are claiming that they "don't have all the details".

Yet, those Iraqi soldiers pulling babies from incubators all those years ago..............
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politicat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 03:55 PM
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35. I'm sorry, but the Met police are not really reliable.
Remember, they shot an innocent man in the back because they didn't know what the hell they were doing.

And then they tried to cover it up. Badly.

They're not the brightest bulbs on the string, I'm afraid.
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 01:21 PM
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19. We are calling bullshit...
but I wonder - what about all the non-DU American voters out there who have been waking up over the last year? Are they calling bullshit, too?
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inthebrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 01:23 PM
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20. Therein lyes the problem
If Democrats don't call BS on it, no one will. Unfortunalty we live in a two party system and the other party is supposed to hold the other accountable.

Republicans have cried wolf on this stuff way too many times.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 01:55 PM
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23. curbing "freedoms" in the UK was mentioned
now they want to curb freedoms in the UK, I wonder how Brits will take this.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 01:41 PM
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22. half of GD is not even calling BS
So what does that say about the rest of America???

:scared:
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 01:40 PM
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21. you don't think bush is creating terrorists by the millions?
I do, and I can think of no better target than anything Brit/American after we invaded Iraq based on a pack of lies
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 02:02 PM
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24. and can you believe how bush is still saying
how peachy keen everything is in the world. this man is totally deranged.
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inthebrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 02:04 PM
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25. Follow the reports on the news today
We have people calling for an increased domestic spying agency here in the US.

We have Mitt Romney flying helecopters over Boston.

Do I think that Bush has created more terrorist? Of course.

To further that, do Bush and the Republcans make shit up to scare to the crap out of us? Of course they do. He raises the level when they "suspect" there is an attack and don't have a smidge of evidence. He raises the level over alerts that turned out to be complete bunk three months ago.


We havent at a raising in the alert since the 04 elections. The timing of this doesnt raise eyebrows for you?

Why raise the alert after the plot is supposed to have been foiled? Not to mention that this plot was foiled last night!!!!! Obviously these idiots had to get their chips in order to levee the fear campaign today.

I'm not buying this one.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 08:06 PM
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48. oh I have no doubts bush makes up shit
I just do not see how terror alerts help republicans, who is are busy telling us how safe they are making the world
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:19 PM
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57. it's that little two step they're always doing (doublespeak?)
they're strong on security they always remind us, while at the same time telling us that there are threats out there and we need to be afraid

they've been doing that for years--they've had the heads in this country spinning since 9/11. they talk out of both sides of their mouth.

to be honest--i don't quite understand how people can buy into the bullshit either. 9/11 happened on their watch--people are so scared that they forget the fact that the gop did not keep us safe--they held us out to dry!
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mhatrw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 06:30 PM
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45. CODE RED! CODE RED! CODE RED!
Bush's behavior is creating terrorists by the millions!

Break out the duct tape!
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 08:08 PM
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49. again
I do not see how terror alerts help the conservative cause
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windbreeze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 08:34 PM
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51. You don't understand how that helps them???
Edited on Thu Aug-10-06 08:38 PM by windbreeze
then I don't understand how you don't understand....fer cryin out loud...

The Dems throw out a Senator that voted for THEIR WAR....a SENIOR SENATOR, and a former VP CANDIDATE...and one of the reasons was...because of his stance on the WAR in IRAQ....and another was his literal kissing of bush's ass!!
That ACT put the Republicans on notice..saying, look out...it's time for change...we're sick of what's going on...and WE AIN'T GONNA TAKE IT NO MORE!!! and you can't understand how calling for a RED ALERT helps them????
You can't see how them spouting against electing DEMOCRATS because they don't care about national security, (I mean after all, the CT voters threw out a man who voted for that war, and refuses to change his stance)...could possibly help them??????

I can't exactly recall...have we ever had a RED alert??? I only recall orange...but I also recall how Tom Ridge said the alert system was used to keep us fearful...after he resigned...

FEAR FEAR FEAR...BE AFRAID, BE AFRAID....personally I am SICK OF IT!!
Something else...you wait...this is not the end of this...the voters in CT scared the living hell out of this bunch of thugs on Tues...it was an indication that CHANGE IS COMING...change they don't want...and anyone who thinks your gov't cannot, willnot...wouldn't dare...never in a million years attack their own people, to further their own cause.....better do a research project on OPERATION NORTHWOODS...

I too call BULLSHIT!!

windbreeze....
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 08:59 PM
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52. uh huh
Edited on Thu Aug-10-06 09:03 PM by Skittles
you think Blair would go along with disrupting the tourism of England for a bullshit reason to help the American conservative cause? Yes, conservatives expoit fear but that does not mean this threat is not real or that real danger does not exist - mostly because of bush and his neocon worshipers
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windbreeze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:00 PM
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55. better yet....
Let me put it this way....I think they are capable of just about anything.....Look I didn't say there isn't anything at all ever to be afraid of..but remember too, that fear is the main tool of terrorism.....

With all the bullshit this bunch has pulled over the last 6 years..hasn't the time come yet...when we QUESTION??? When we refuse to automatically BELIEVE something, just because they said so???? I hope it isn't possible that we could still believe they wouldn't manipulate information!!
windbreeze
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inthebrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 03:35 PM
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27. Its not as if Mehlman didnt offer any talking points on this either
<<<<"America faces a critical question," Mehlman said in his prepared text. "Will we elect leaders who recognize we're at war and want to use every tool to win it, or politicians who would surrender important tools we need to win?"

If Democrats win control of Congress, Mehlman claimed that their leaders will stop the National Security Agency from eavesdropping on foreign terrorists and pursue impeachment of President Bush.>>>>

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/...5/-1/BUSINESS07


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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 03:47 PM
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31. You are far from alone.
My FIRST thoughts when I first heard of this.
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paul_fromatlanta Donating Member (545 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 05:51 PM
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37. What makes you think Leiberman losing is bad for Republicans?
I think, generally Republicans were strategically happy for his loss in the primary.
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erpowers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 06:20 PM
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41. Skeptical Also
I am also skeptical about this terror plot and the code red issue happening at this time. This thing has happened so many times before.
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 06:49 PM
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47. sadly, it turns out to be not bullshit
To address your points:

1). yes, timing was odd to be sure
2). he has done this since 911
3). under investigation since last year
4). but that is the sleazy reaction the White House is having/exploiting an actual event. They did the same thing with 7/7 with the faux NYC tunnel plot. The Brits did their jobs, but the US exploited the situation. Sadly, again. And the media has gone wild, again.
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ihelpu2see Donating Member (935 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 08:12 PM
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50. what I should not be duct taping and using plastic wrap on the windows??
eom
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:17 PM
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54. Has there been a 36 hour period in the last 18 months
where everything has been going so hunky-dory for the neo-con agenda?

In my recollection it's been a non-stop train wreck.

For there to be "suspicious timing" there have to be "non-suspcious times" too.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:15 PM
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56. Cindy Sheehan is in Camp Casey, too. Now flights are messed up
and they are setting up for a big protest this weekend. Gonna be hard for people to get there with the airports all screwed up like this.
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