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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:23 AM
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Is anyone noting what's now being prohibited on airplanes?
Edited on Thu Aug-10-06 10:26 AM by Husb2Sparkly
Forget that can of Diet Coke or the suntain lotion or toothpaste .......

Now your laptop has to go in the belly. And we all know we are not allowed to lock our luggage. Buh-bye laptop with that critical Powerpoint .... or the video porn for your evening entertainment at the hotel.

No electronic keys. How many of you push that button that makes your headlights flash and your doors unlock? Buh-bye Bimmer. All a bad guy's gotta do is make an impression of the key and match it to some ID left in your luggage and his buddy's in while you're in the Bahamas ... burning cuz of no sunblock.

No cell phones.

Ladies ... after that long flight, you get to leave the plane looking like a dishrag. No blush. No foundation. No lipstick. No cosmetics of any kind.

Think about the absolutely draconian lockdown we're now facing.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:25 AM
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1. Next step: No prosthetics or fillings.
...never can be too careful, you know...

:eyes:
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shain from kane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:27 AM
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2. There's always the danger that you would be gummed to death. n/t
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jpkenny Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:09 AM
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24. Here we go again having to bail out the airlines ....nt
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 03:59 PM
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39. All their stocks except for Southwest are in the dumper today
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pdxmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:15 AM
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26. My hubby has an artificial leg, and he's always wondered why they
don't bother to really check him. It's a great place to hide stuff! Kept his passport and extra money in there when traveling through Europe.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:27 AM
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3. "not allowed to lock our luggage"
There are TSA approved locks. We can lock our luggage and the TSA can open it and relock it.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:34 AM
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8. on the first leg of my last flight the "TSA approved lock..."
...was removed, permanently. It was the first time I'd used it. It simply disappeared.

Note to the airlines: with these new restrictions, I will not fly in Amerika any longer. Period.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:41 AM
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12. Ditto
Same here. The TSA locks thing is little more than a rumor. Yes, they exist. No, they don't do shit. You get some nice little cutesy-assed note inside your bag: "Hi, we're the government. Fuck you, sap."
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:41 AM
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13. Lovely
One would think things would be safe with the security folks. Jeez.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:45 AM
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15. My sister and I bought four of them--@ $12 each....
on a recent flight to west coast. Only one survived the flight. :mad:
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:49 AM
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20. Except it seems they DON'T relock and thus they fall off
The damned things are expensive, too-- when you have to replace on every daned leg of the flight...

I can't imagine trusting a laptop to a checked bag....
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GregW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 05:42 PM
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47. Do you know how pathetically easy it is to open a locked suitcase...
Shhhhhh .... I'll tell you how.

The following was personally demonstrated by a friend of mine who works in customs. While chatting with him about suitcase locks (immediately after 9/11) he said "We don't worry about locks when we do inspections - we just use our universal suitcase opener". After asking for a demo he pulled a ballpoint pen out of his pocket, stabbed it pointfirst through the teeth of the zipper, and pulled the zipper apart. He then rummaged through my suitcase, grabbed the zipper tags, zipped them all the way to one end and then back to the other and voila! my suitcase was once again zipped (and still locked).
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madame defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:27 AM
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4. Where'd you get this list???
If they refuse laptops & cellphones on planes, business people will flat out refuse to fly.

Airline industry stocks are already taking a dive...
Airline stocks slammed after terror arrests
Major carriers tumble after 21 nabbed in plot to blow up trans-Atlantic flights, Boeing also sinks.
http://money.cnn.com/2006/08/10/news/companies/airlines...
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:28 AM
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5. I think that's only in the UK
Edited on Thu Aug-10-06 10:29 AM by MaineDem
The TSA is only saying no liquids on US flights.

http://www.tsa.gov/press/happenings/threat-change.shtm
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:38 AM
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9. The items can go as checked baggage ...
they're disallowed in the cabins.

Per MSNBC newz
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:43 AM
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14. so, can you stock up at the gate stores: beverages, chapstick...
etc? THat is AFTER security, after all?
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:45 AM
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16. They're reinstituting pre-board checks
You can't take anything into the cabin.
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Snivi Yllom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:15 AM
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27. Incorrect, you can't bring liquids on planes bought at the gate area
How they will police this short of banning the sales of beverages in airports is beyond me.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:24 AM
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32. I read that some airports are limiting sales
"Nobody is being allowed to take liquids through the screening checkpoint," said Brian Searles, airport director. "Were not selling liquids in secure areas, which we usually do, from snack carts in the gate areas."

http://news.mainetoday.com/apwire/D8JDLN0G6-221.shtml
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Snivi Yllom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:33 AM
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34. Newsstands are going to take a beating, no more selling toiletries, water
Edited on Thu Aug-10-06 11:33 AM by Snivi Yllom
watch the traders try to profit shorting Hudson News
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:46 AM
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18. Only in the UK
Per TSA, they're ok when flying within the US.

I am NOT getting on a plane without an iPod. Need somehting to drown out the every-present flying lungs.
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Snivi Yllom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:18 AM
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29. from TSA:
http://www.tsa.gov/press/happenings/threat-change.shtm

NO LIQUIDS OR GELS OF ANY KIND WILL BE PERMITTED IN CARRY-ON BAGGAGE. ITEMS MUST BE IN CHECKED BAGGAGE.

This includes all beverages, shampoo, suntan lotion, creams, tooth paste, hair gel, and other items of similar consistency.
Exception: Baby formula, breast milk, or juice if a baby or small child is traveling; prescription medicine with a name that matches the passengers ticket; and insulin and essential other non-prescription medicines

Beverages purchased in the sterile area must be consumed before boarding because they will not be permitted onboard the aircraft.
Passengers traveling from the U.K. to the U.S. will be subject to a more extensive screening process.

Some measures will not be visible to the public. In light of the elevated threat level, the Federal Air Marshals Service (FAMS) will provide expanded mission coverage for flights from the United Kingdom to the United States.

These measures will be constantly evaluated and updated when circumstances warrant. DHS and its components have coordinated closely with the air carrier industry, airports, and state and local stakeholders to implement these significant, but necessary, security measures. The traveling public can assist these agencies in carrying out their important security duties by:

Packing lightly, without clutter to facilitate easier screening.
Check with your air carrier well before your flight departs for information on when you shoudl arrive at the airport.
Cooperating with TSA personnel at all checkpoints and gates because TSA Security Officers will be checking carry-on baggage at the gate.
Being attentive and vigilant to any suspicious activity.
Protecting U.S.Borders. U.S. Customs and Border Protection will increase enforcement efforts in international arrival areas including the use of advanced targeting tools, special response teams including baggage and aircraft search teams, baggage x-ray equipment, specially-trained canine units, and explosive detection technology.

DHS has also mandated that all flights from the U.K. transmit passenger manifest information for intensive screening prior to departure from the gate. In addition, passengers on these flights and all other international flights will be subject to heightened inspection upon arrival in the U.S.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 04:07 PM
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41. I love this one: "Being attentive and vigilant to any suspicious activity"
What's suspicious activity? Nose picking? A guy with a tic sitting in the waiting area? Tourettes?
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 05:24 PM
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43. Anybody with a "Vote Democratic" button or T-Shirt.
Just sayin...
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:31 AM
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6. We may bring "As many hygiene products as necessary for the
duration of the flight".

In a clear plastic bag. Damnned exploding tampons.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:52 AM
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36. You joke, but check out "guncotton".
> Damnned exploding tampons.

You joke, but check out "guncotton".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guncotton

Tesha
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:34 AM
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7. No foundation? Jesus, it's really the end.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:39 AM
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10. The same thinking that goes on behind "zero tolerance"
Which is to say no thinking at all. Why do we let the most frightened pants-wetters decide policy for the rest of us?
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:40 AM
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11. what a pleasant long flight--dry lips and no chapstick... no water
and you know how generous airlines are now with beverage service... :sarcasm:



Happy passengers with NO reading material, no ipods, no laptops--thirsty, hungry, tired, and frustrated...




My flying used to be at least 1-2 times monthly and sometimes more. After 911, I've tried to get it down to no more often than 1x yearly--not from fear, but unpleasantness. The airlines are going to go under.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:53 AM
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37. The price of fossil fuel was going to do them in eventually anyway. (NT)
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:45 AM
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17. Don't Pampers have some sort of gel in the lining?
There's a potential bomb... :crazy:
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:46 AM
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19. I imagine the "adult diapers" do too...
Not to mention the "superabsorbant feminine hygiene" pads...
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:53 AM
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21. Breast implants ?
...connected to an underwire bra...... :nuke:

Along with exploding suppositories and tampons.....things could get interesting at the security checkpoint :silly:
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:54 AM
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22. Contact Lens Wearers: better get some prescription drops...
If you have no alternative to contacts... I think if you have a small bottle with a prescription label of rewetting drops, they'd have to let you take them on. It can be extremely detrimental to some wearers who are prone to corneal abrasions and dry eye, not to "re-wet" on a dry long distance plane flight. And, not everyone CAN wear glasses (I know this first-hand)
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:05 AM
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23. Tampons and Kotex in full view in the Plastic bag! Great!
I mean, it's always nice to be able to announce that you are "Woman, hear me roar" without having to say a word! :eyes:
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:13 AM
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25. So I guess the little bottle of
saline I carry is out, as are my contact lens drops and my tube of hand lotion.

Unfortunately for me I have to fly. My Dad is in Puerto Rico and there is no other way for me to get there. And I have to go down soon because I am executor of my Mom's will and one of my sisters is being difficult as to my Mom's wishes. I will have to go down soon for the reading of the will and some other issue. God, traveling by plane sucks. I can still remember when it was such a treat to be on an airplane. :-(
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:16 AM
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28. Not to mention how often that checked baggage is "lost"
I will only fly as an absolute necessity. No longer will I use the airlines if I can drive or go by bus or train...Time is important but not that important...
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:20 AM
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30. I just flew and took the laptop on the plane
what the hell are you talkling about
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:22 AM
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31. Today?
This is all since about 4AM this morning.
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Exiled in America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 05:26 PM
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44. Laptop ban is in Britian, not US.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:29 AM
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33. Seeing what a mess Raygun & W made of our airlines, Tony
just has to catch up.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:35 AM
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35. Another excuse to lower arline workers' pay.
Say the new security crap is making them unprofitable so they need to cut worker pay again. :eyes:
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:57 AM
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38. and gas soon to be $5 a gallon
night as well impose travel restrictions
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 04:05 PM
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40. Isn't that what's been effectively done?
Travel restrictions.
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 04:24 PM
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42. It's time for an aggressive build up of our passenger rail system
call your representatives maybe even John McCain and lets twist their arms.

OK, I just went on an international trip to India and back with a stop in Frankfurt. The flights to the US have their own security checkpoints with American TSA officers. They didn't catch my nail clippers (which had a knife but I forgot about it) but they confiscated my small travel-sized can of shaving cream.

Oh and and on a trip to Chicago, I found out that my suitcase took a separate flight to Chicago! I still got it, but it went in a different plane by accident! This was American Airlines btw.

Driving on our interstate highways for extremely long distances is starting to look more appealing, even with the increase in gas prices and the wear on my car.
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politicat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 05:35 PM
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45. Aren't most of the airlines dispensing with complimentary beverages?
Last time I flew (and it's been a while, I hate doing it because I'm marked SSSS with TSA for some unknown reason) I had to pay for my beverages.

Why does this seem like a way to maximize air travel profits? Everyone who flies now has to shell out $5 for a bottle of water that cost the company a quarter?

As frustrating as Amtrak has been in the last few years, it's better than this cattle car treatment.
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GoneOffShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 05:36 PM
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46. Did you check out the TSA website?
I think you're jumping to conclusions here about what is banned. The UK is taking more draconian measures than the TSA.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 08:25 PM
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49. I heard on the 6 o'clock news that electronics are still allowed
on U.S. flights - it's the British that have banned all carry ons. It will be interesting to see what happens to laptops. The business flyers aren't going to like having to put them in cargo - what with all the problems with identity theft and stolen laptops this is going to be a problem.

We were talking about this at work today and wondering if we'll have to start sending our laptops by Fed Ex when we're traveling. At least then it would be in a box and there would be a tracking record.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 05:44 PM
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48. A laptop was the best weapon you could bring on a plane
You could use it as a shield or a head-clonker.
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