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Sam Odom Donating Member (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:19 AM
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Lieberman votes his conscience - Not a sale out
Chicago Tribune Editorial
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-06081000...

Joe Lieberman is not one to tailor his views for political advantage. He votes his conscience...

The Democrats on Tuesday said that wasn't good enough...

But Lieberman had a message for them: he's not going away...

So now we'll learn who is out of touch: Joe Lieberman or the Connecticut Democrats who ousted him...
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:21 AM
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1. HELL with the media. The media is 100% right wing!
I will NOT vote for Lieberman under any circumstances.
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Joe Bacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 07:10 AM
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37. And this comes from the Chicago FIBUNE
which lies any lie for the Nazi Party 24/7.
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cmkramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:03 AM
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40. They're right though
Even a stopped clock is at least twice a day.
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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:22 AM
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2. His wife's checks come from GSK and their lobbying firm
and they get the legislation that would contradict Lieberman's assertions about his frickin' conscience. He is a lying sack of shit.
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FreeStateDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 09:11 AM
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39. This should be a major campaign issue,as well as against the law.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:22 AM
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3. He lost the primary because his conscience sucks......
Go home Joe.
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Sam Odom Donating Member (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:23 AM
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4. LOL !! Joe is the new Gen. Colin Powell n/t
n/t
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:23 AM
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5. Democracy can be a bitch
The people voted, the matter is decided. If that isn't good enough for Lieberman, then he is a traitor to everything that America stands for, end of story.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:24 AM
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6. lol... Oh Brotha... (nt)
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:24 AM
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7. I find it hard to believe that a Senator
for eighteen years for the Democratic Party all of a sudden switches bats...I think he's in the race for HIMSELF and not the CT voters or the country.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:24 AM
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8. Herbert Hoover was a man of conscience too.
He firmly believed his policies would end the Depression. He was wrong. We voted him out. Same thing here, different time.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:26 AM
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9. Dear Chicago Tribune
When someone loses a popular vote, he is by definition out of touch with the majority of his constituents. See how that works?

By the way, polls are saying that a remarkably large majority of Americans -- despite the best efforts of you and your big media cohorts -- have concluded that the invasion of Iraq has been a colossal mistake. They don't much like George W. Bush or his Republican toadies who drove us into this ditch, and they'd really like to hear about some ideas that don't include "keep sticking that fork into the outlet until it doesn't shoot you ten feet across the room." What we're doing isn't working, and the public has figured that out without any assistance from the Chicago Tribune.

The indisputable fact that Lieberman lost his primary race is a clear indication that he is out of touch with his own base, at the very least. And what do you make of Lieberman's desperate attempts in the last few days before the vote to emphasize all of his differences with the Bush administration? That surely appeared to be tailoring his views for a political advantage, wouldn't you say?

Next time, don't bother typesetting your editorial. Just leave it in the original red crayon scrawl so that folks get a clear picture of the dementia that fueled the screed, okay? Call it truth in publishing.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:33 AM
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30. Great...
... I hope they pass this one around at the water cooler.

We have to face fact, the media is PISSED. PISSED that all their "endorsements" couldn't save Humpty-Toadie, and pissed that the blogosphere is rendering them irrelevant.

Truth is, it is positions like theirs that is rendering themselves irrelevant, they cannot control the debate any more and rather than get real they keep trying.

Too bad for them.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:16 AM
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42. That's right, sendero. We made an end-run around them
... wait, is end-run the right term? I don't know football ;) ... The big media interests are becoming more and more irrelevant because we can communicate with each other and call them on their B.S. immediately. We can get around the pro-corporate, pro-Republican screen that the mainstream media has built, and it pisses them off to no end.
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ROakes1019 Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:28 AM
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10. conscience
Why are politicians always saying they vote their conscience? Aren't they supposed to representing their constituents' views, or consciences? We don't send them to Washington to display their inner convitions; we send them to vote for what is best, or desired by, us, the people.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:34 AM
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11. Clue: he's supposed to represent the VOTERS wishes, not the other
way around. YOU HATE DMOCRACY.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:37 AM
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12. Well that is not strictly true...
The founders designed our system of representation so that those representatives would exercise their own judgement, somewhat insulated from the momentary passions of their constituents.

Just because a majority of the people want something done does not mean it is the right thing to do.

Otherwise we would just hold a referendum on everything and get rid of representation.

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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:37 AM
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13. good thing he is not a sale out
whatever that is.

:)

morning!
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:38 AM
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15. "...and by their spelling, ye shall know them"
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:38 AM
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14. Did you mean cell out?
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:39 AM
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16. oh no you di'n't
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:42 AM
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19. I thought them stem sales were outlawed or something n/t
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:55 AM
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26. I wish joe would sail out into the sunset!
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:40 AM
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17. "votes his conscience..."
Hmmmmm......where have I heard that phrase before? Oh yeah, Blackwell. Interesting..

AKRON, Ohio (AP) -- Election officials in a northeast Ohio county are reconsidering the use of a new variation of the "I Voted Today" sticker given to voters at the polls.

In 2004, Secretary of State Ken Blackwell changed the sticker to read "Change Our World, Vote Your Conscience."

http://www.wcpo.com/news/2006/local/08/06/blackwell_sti...
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:42 AM
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18. I'd rather they voted the way Americans they represent want them
to vote. Isn't that their job?
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:43 AM
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20. Damn straight. n/t
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:45 AM
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21. Not really...
Were that true we could just hold a referendumo on everything...

Representatives are supposed to use their judgement, and our system was set up to insulate them somewhat from the passions of their constituents...

SO obviously they need to take into account what their constituents want, but are also expected to do in what their judgement is the best thing to do....

Their constituents get to decide at the next election if they were right...

Lieberman has now found out what his (Democratic) constituents think
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:47 AM
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22. well right, but I still am sick of the whole
"we don't listen to polls, we use our gut feelings" stuff.

And apparently I am not the only one.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 05:30 PM
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34. And they voted and he LOST - fair and square.
But that's not good enough aparently for the cry baby DINO.

So now he GOING AGAINST THE WISHES OF HIS CONSTITUENTS who voted him OUT.

Spare us your spin on his love of democracy bullshit.

He is now RUNNING AGAINST THE DEM - AGAINST THE WISHES OF THE PEOPLE HE FORMERLY REPRESENTED.

You just don't get it.

Great he voted with and acted on his conscience. WE disagreed with it.

So get lost and move out of the way.

Or don't you believe in DEMOCRACY?

I can just hear your whining if your boy won - the reverse hypocricy would be overwhelming - just like your repuke friends.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 05:54 PM
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35. I wish for once one of you "Litmus Test" Liberals would actually read...
Edited on Thu Aug-10-06 05:59 PM by SaveElmer
My entire post...

My last line:

"Lieberman has now found out what his (Democratic) constituents think"

I was correcting an inaccuracy in how our system of government was set up...not commenting on Lieberman's choices

And as usual, folks like you spout off without having a clue about what or with whom you are speaking. A simple question would have cleared it up, but you would rather go off on a holier than thou rant than get your facts straight. Fact is I have been supporting Lamont since July.

So next time read everything before sticking your tootsie in your yapper!!
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 12:40 AM
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36. Well, YOU'RE the one who doesn't want to do a single thing to condemn the
TRAITOR to this country and the Party.

Faint praise, indeed.

I said nothing I regret.

I went back to read some of your other posts.

My statement stands.

Deal with it.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 09:03 AM
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38. Another characteristic of Litmus test Liberals...
The complete inability to admit when they are wrong. Typical.
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tandot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:49 AM
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23. He is (was) elected by the PEOPLE to represent them
he was fired because he refused to represent the People who elected him. He gets paid with our tax money and We The People decide if he should stay on the job.

Very simple concept: If I refuse to do my job or do something completely different, my boss would fire my ass in a second.
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dolstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:11 PM
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31. Yes, the PEOPLE, not just the primary voters
And these same PEOPLE will get to decide whether Lieberman keeps his job. While turnout was high in the primary, the fact is that just over 7% of the registered voters supposed Ned Lamont. It's an interesting concept of democracy which says that 7% of the voters should decide who the next U.S. Senator is. I could understand people being upset if Lieberman's independent bit made it more likely that the seat went to a Republican. But that's not the case. If anything, it's the opposite. If Lieberman dropped out tomorrow, the Republicans would find some way to replace Schlesinger with a better known Republican who'd stand a real chance of beating left-wing Lamont. Moderate Republicans actually have a good track record against liberal Democrats in Connecticut. That's why it took a moderate Democrat like Lieberman to beat Lowell Weicker, and it's why the Democrats haven't won a governor's race in Connecticut in a very long time.
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tandot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 01:27 PM
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32. Democrats decided who should represent them and the Democratic Party
The voters of Connecticut will decide in November who their next US Senator will be.

I am not worried about Lieberman running as an independent. Connecticut voters will decide if they want someone who essentially accused anyone who criticizes Bush's war policy of "aiding the enemy". He essentially called a majority of Americans who now oppose the Iraq war traitors. Just that incident makes it clear that he gets his talking points straight from the White House.


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biscotti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:50 AM
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24. I was compelled
To hold my nose when I read the subject line.
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:51 AM
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25. Too bad this isn't a joke...
I thought once his miserable ass was kicked, and he decided to leave the Party, we wouldn't have to read bullsh*t posts like this one anymore.

What happened to the "No Pushing Lieberman" rule, now that he has officially left the Party?

TC
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:06 AM
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27. Chicago Tribune proudly, relentlessly whores for GOP
Lamont's victory a slap to them and all the other rw rags
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:16 AM
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28. Conscience?
The fact that he is defying the results of the primary and the will of the Democratic voters is clear indication he has no conscience.
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Impashund Ubique Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:27 AM
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29. Well, his conscience is wrong.
Edited on Thu Aug-10-06 12:06 PM by Impashund Ubique
If Joe votes his conscience, then so do the CT voters, and their consciences say that the war in Iraq needs to come to an end.

Joe is their representative, and now, because he has stopped representing their interests, they decided to do their part in this democracy: by voting their conscience.

Political advantage? He is the representative of the people of CT, and if he isn't going to represent them, then he deserves to be ousted, which he was on Tuesday, and will be again in the general (if he sticks around).

The problem with Lieberman wasn't just that he stuck with his vote or that he doesn't care about the overwhelming public opinion on this issue, but the bigger problem was his ridiculing attitude towards anyone who disagreed or asked for an explanation for his misguided position on Iraq. We want our elected officials to be responsive and to feel accountable to the voters who put them in place; Joe instead thought it was his right to be re-elected without question. No sir.

America is still a democracy, and thankfully, the system worked on August 8th.




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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 04:07 PM
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33. Happily, his constituents also vote their conscience.
I would guess that the incumbent who doesn't represent his voters well enough to be re-nominated is out of touch with his voters; who works for whom here?
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:06 AM
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41. "So now we'll learn who is out of touch"
Who the fuck are you? Do you understand the democratic process, or are you just spouting talking point bullshit?
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