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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 03:24 PM
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Is The Stage Being Set To Steal The Leiberman/Lamont Election?.....
I've heard a number of times today already that Lieberman is closing the gap on Lamont. I'm wondering if the MSM is setting us up to say tomorrow that the race is too close to call - so that when the election is stolen and Lieberman wins - they can say his last minute efforts over the past few days must have resonated with the voters and gave him the win.

Remember - they need a close election to minimize attention being drawn to the outcome when they steal it.
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 03:26 PM
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1. Absolutely....
I think that's EXACTLY what's happening. But, it's only a guess on my part. And, I would put it past Joe to steal an election.

TC
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 03:30 PM
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10. Now, now, Joe would never steal an election
Not when there are perfectly good republicans around to steal it for him.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 03:34 PM
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13. You would put it past him, or would not? NT
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Demobrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 03:27 PM
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2. This is what worries me.
The set-up is already starting. Next thing we know we'll be hearing all kinds of wonderment over how the exit polls could be SO wrong .....
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 06:17 PM
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58. You can see that the republicons are almost in panic stage...
and they are really angry.
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Demobrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 06:24 PM
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59. Well that's encouraging.
The madder they are the better.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 03:27 PM
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3. A little harder in CT ....... lever machines
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 03:27 PM
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4. And exactly how will that be accomplished...
In a state with no electronic voting...

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Demobrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 03:28 PM
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5. Well here in San Francisco
cartons of votes have been found mysteriously floating in the bay. Just sayin ....
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 03:29 PM
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6. They use lever machines...
They don't float!
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 03:34 PM
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14. or do they ...... ?????
:tinfoilhat:
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 03:36 PM
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19. Sounds like a Mythbusters episode to me!!!...nt
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 03:42 PM
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26. They use lever machines. I was an Assistant Registrar of Voters in CT
Edited on Mon Aug-07-06 03:46 PM by Atman
Sorry, tin foil hatters. Susan Bycowicz, the SOS, cancelled the state's order of Diebold DRE's after she found glaring lies in the company's proposal, combined with the shenanigans going in on CA and OH. We have good old-fashioned 10,000-ton massive lever machines.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 04:35 PM
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45. Can she come down here to Maryland and help our SOS
Linda Lamone, who just loves Diebold, I just got a warm and fuzzy e-mail from a friend of mine
who works for the City of Baltimore, she is so pumped over Diebold, you would think that they
were gold plated. How dems can be taken in by these machines is more than I would know. Yes,
I tried talking to them, but it goes in 1 ear and out the other.
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Demobrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 03:36 PM
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18. No they sink.
Even better!
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JimDandy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 04:10 PM
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38. Really? I need a link to that news story ASAP!!! n/t
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Demobrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 04:22 PM
Response to Reply #38
41. Here's an older one
where only lids are mentioned. Still looking for a more recent one - where the ballots were found intact (well, water logged, but intact).

http://www.berkeleydaily.org/article.cfm?archiveDate=12...
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JimDandy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 05:03 PM
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51. Thanks so much!
I'll check back to see if you found the article about the more recent event.
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Demobrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 06:14 PM
Response to Reply #41
56. Looks like the link
goes nowhere (page moved) - oh well, believe it or dont, but there's more than one way to sink an election!
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 03:30 PM
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7. I dunno...
but, can you agree there's always a first time?

I have a very uneasy feeling about the "rah-rah" tone of the reports that Lieberman has "closed the gap". If he's at or near the MOE by tomorrow morning... you'll know there's something afoot. That's all I am saying.

TC
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 03:36 PM
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16. Well I have to say...
That seems to be the dominant reaction here at DU whenever a preferred candidate loses...

Never that they were out-organized, or that their candidate simply was not the preferred one...

Always some external force...

Do you realize the coordination and planning that would need to happen to steal this election...?

Would require the cooperation of election officials at the local level, at the state level, and down to the technicians who would somehow have to rig the machines.

Really, it's just another hedge among some here not to have to look honestly at why the election was lost.

I have no idea who will win. A week ago I would have said Lamont by 7-10. Right now I think it will be a toss up with a slight advantage to Lieberman.

If I were a Connecticut resident I would vote for Lamont because of Lieberman's promise to go Indie if he loses...but if Lieberman does win, I will support him!

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halobeam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 03:44 PM
Response to Reply #16
28. I really can't believe you are saying this.
You are saying too many people would have to be involved, so our elections are valid? Oh My God. Sometimes, I just shake my head in disbelief. Did you read Kennedy's article in Rolling Stone? Are you not well read on the issues of the vulnerabilities of OUR VOTE? YOUR vote? Please read more before you say EXACTLY what the Republicans are saying. They look foolish saying it, and actually so do you.

I'm sorry, I'm not trying to sound angry... I'm giving you a friendly shaking by the shoulders, sayin' Wake up man, do you HEAR what you just said?.....
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 03:46 PM
Response to Reply #28
30. We are discussing Connecticut...
And the accusations of cheating come out on here EVERY time the Democratic candidate loses...

I do not dispute there have been instances of stolen elections...most prominently in 2000...however...it cheapens the cause when every election we lose is attributed to fraud...

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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 04:02 PM
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37. Okay, let me just say this:
I believe there are people who, if they want a candidate to win (and I think Joe is the poster-child candidate for these people), they win. Maybe it's $$$, maybe it's finessing, maybe it's cheating... like I said, I dunno. I just think elections really AREN'T our decision any longer... or worse, they never were and we're just finding it out.

WHatever. I think we are watching a set-up. If Joe is at or near the MOE by tomorrow morning, however this election was stolen... it WAS stolen. Count on it.

I just don't think the "powers that be" can allow us to win this round. We are going to have our faces rubbed in it, I think.

If I'm wrong, there will be NO ONE happier about it than me!

TC
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screembloodymurder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 04:29 PM
Response to Reply #30
43. Right. All these voters changed their minds because
"Libermon" decided to stay and fight. Give me a break. The man nearly conceded the election two days ago and now, miraculously, he's closing the gap like gangbusters. It's just a coincidence that MSM networks (run by our government) are stumping for his campaign. Bullshit!!!!!!! BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 04:48 PM
Response to Reply #43
49. You are basing ALL of this...
On poll numbers...

Show me a credible way in which this primary is being stolen...

Keeping in mind no electronic voting, using lever machines which weigh about 2 tons each...

That the Secretary of State is highly regarded, and rejected electronic voting machines because she was lied to by the manufacturers.

Also keeping in mind registration changes had to be completed in May when Lieberman was still comfortably ahead in the polls.
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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 03:30 PM
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8. it doesn't matter!
This is DU; most of us believe whatever makes us feel better, facts be damned. Surely you understand this after four years here!
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RobertSeattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 03:37 PM
Response to Reply #8
20. No kidding
Whenever a (D) wins it is the voice of the people!
Whenever a (R) wins it is a vast voting conspiracy!

Are all voting officals perfect? Nope.
All all (R) voting offical corropt? Nope.



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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 06:27 PM
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60. Exactly. Never let the facts get in the way of a good conspiracy.
It's never our candidate that messes up, or runs a bad campaign. It's never that the voters decide they like the other guy better. We never lose fair and square.

If we lose, it was stolen. It's a conspiracy. It's that damned Rove!!!
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 03:33 PM
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12. Reeps reg'd as DEms, that's how.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 03:40 PM
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22. Hardly stolen...
Connecticut has open primaries...

I've seen no evidence that there is a surgeof Republicans registering...perhaps Independents who are turned off by the Lieberman bashing...

btw: I would vote for Lamont were I in Connecticut.
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 03:56 PM
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35. They would have had to switch by
May 8. And remember that on May 8th Lieberman wasn't worrying and neither were his followers. So I do not think very many Republicans switched to Dem to vote for him.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 03:36 PM
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17. They'll do it the old fashioned way; people will rise up from the dead
and vote for him; or people will find sacks of what looks suspiciously like ballots, shredded, at the dump....
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 03:41 PM
Response to Reply #17
25. They use lever machines...
Is my understanding...hard to dispose of eh?

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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 03:44 PM
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29. Some bastard will just cull out the "bad" votes
Shred them and drop them at the landfill. If the difference is within the margin of error, HolyJoe wins.

It's how they do things...
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 03:30 PM
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9. I think so. If anything his behavior over the last couple of weeks would
have turned voters away not towards him. I think the media is scamming it and then the GOP will do their traditional thieving. I am quite sure that many of them made that May deadline and many ballots will 'get lost' or 'appear' as needed.
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CrownPrinceBandar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 03:33 PM
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11. When I heard that Jomentum had rebounded.......
in such a drastic fashion, my spidey sense went off. Something doesn't smell right here.

:tinfoilhat:
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Zensea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 03:35 PM
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15. It may be but you're kind of assuming that Lamont would win
if the election was legitimate.

The only lead Lamont has had has been in the polls & that is a fairly recent development.

If Lieberman wins, it does not necessarily mean the election has been stolen, although of course it could mean it has been.

I'm no fan of Lieberman at all either. I guess it's that I'm cynical about not just the folk who steal elections and have the methods or means to do so, but also about the electorate in general.

It doesn't take a stolen election for American voters to elect people whose policies I deplore.
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Flirtus Donating Member (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 03:39 PM
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21. AOL is floating a story that Joe is distancing from Bush
sounds like politics to me.
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 03:54 PM
Response to Reply #21
33. Until after the election and then back to bush kissing...how can
people be so stupid...if you want change why would you vote for Joe?? and this also goes for CA. it looks like Arnold will win and just a few months ago he was lower than bush...something wrong here..When the polls start changing for these underdogs I really think either people are so stupid or these polls run by repugs are asking questions that make you favor one over the other..just by the way the question is asked..
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 03:40 PM
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23. Absolutely stage is set

There is no way that if I hated Joey yesterday I would decide to vote for him today.

He has the kind of personality and deeds that you HATE!
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 03:41 PM
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24. Are we now reduced to accusing everyone we don't like of cheating?
This is a very dangerous trend and one which trivializes the importance of election fraud. It seems that DU is incapable of accepting that someone it doesn't like might win an election legitimately - every single close election has been accused of being "stolen" since 2004. Hackett was robbed. Busby was robbed. Now, even though the election hasn't even happened yet, people are claiming that Lamont will be robbed.

This is the problem with a lot of discussion about election fraud on DU and elsewhere in the blogworld. It's emotional and relies more on suspicion and dislike than on actual facts. Two years later, there's still no conclusive proof that 2004 was stolen - RFK Jr's article comes closest but he acknowledges that there is not sufficient evidence to bring forth a case in the courts - but you wouldn't know that if you read DU.

This whole kneejerk reaction does nothing to advance awareness of election integrity. If you cry "thief" after every election which doesn't turn out the way you want it to, people are going to stop listening altogether. And just like the little boy that cried wolf, if it DOES happen, no one will listen to you because you have effectively killed your credibility.

I hope Lamont wins, but if he doesn't there at least ought to be verifiable proof of fradulent practices or disenfranchisement before people on DU start screaming that Lieberman stole it.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 03:47 PM
Response to Reply #24
31. I think people are justifiably paranoid
It always does seem that the media poses a construct, and VOILA! It comes to pass.

Even when events on the ground aren't read the same way as they are looking down from those rarified media lairs...

Your point is valid, though. It's important to simply keep a close eye on those managing the elections, and gripe about any and every irregularity.
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halobeam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 03:51 PM
Response to Reply #31
32. Right, but as I understand,
the poster you responded to, said we yell at every election. Guess we shouldn't until we have proof. Which takes investigation. Which by the way WILL NOT HAPPEN WITHOUT THE YELLING. Oh My God. (I wasn't directing my caps at you btw... it was in response to the same person you responded to)
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 05:03 PM
Response to Reply #32
50. You don't say "it was stolen" until you have proof, no
That should be obvious. You don't assert something to be true if you cannot prove it.

I never said don't investigate irregularites SHOULD THEY APPEAR. Crying "stolen election" after every close election with no proof is a great way to destroy your credibility and look like a sore loser, however.
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 09:40 PM
Response to Reply #50
64. Not to mention crying "stolen election" before every close election.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 03:54 PM
Response to Reply #24
34. that's the problem with breaching the trust
we may never trust the voting process again
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Bluzmann57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 04:30 PM
Response to Reply #24
44. Great post
This is why EVERY conspiracy theory should be viewed with at least a little bit of suspicion. In nearly every conspiracy theory, there is some circumstantial evidence, but little concrete evidence. And that is not admissible in a court of law, and it should not be taken as fact by the theorists either.
Now as a non Connecticut resident, I hope Lamont pulls it off, but if he doesn't, then Lieberman will likely keep his seat in the Senate and will be at least a nominal Democrat. And if Lieberman does win, I believe that this could shake him up enough to make him realize his erroneous ways and become more in line with what the people in Connecticut are thinking.
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 05:06 PM
Response to Reply #24
52. I have lived in CT for over 20 years.
I have never heard claims of any election being rigged. No rumors, no one complaining, nothing. The elections here far as I know, are clean. We use lever machines. If Lieberman pulls it off its because he convinced enough people to go out for him. I will not be happy but I won't be crying foul.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 05:35 PM
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53. I'm with you; I can't stand Joe, but I'll defer if he wins.
I've worked elections here too many times, and I've seen the insides of the lever machines and how they function. I cannot fathom a way to rig those machines. There are redundant counters and key locks, and every vote is recorded on a piano-roll type paper for counting and archiving. It would be monumentally complicated to pull off a Bush style fraud at the machine level. I simply cannot speak for the counting of the votes; that's something I've never been involved in. But if Joe wins, I've seen enough from the inside to say "Okay, Joe, you pulled it off." I wouldn't be so generous in a Diebold state.
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 06:36 PM
Response to Reply #24
61. Sorry. You get a yellow card and a 15-yard penalty for making
too darn much common sense.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 03:43 PM
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27. yes, just like Santorum is "closing" on on Casey in PA
But the GOP hardly needs a close margin to steal an election as was demonstrated in 2002 in many Senate races where there were mysterious and magical (aarrggh) double-digit overnight swings in the polls.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 04:01 PM
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36. Joe's getting a freebie interview on MSNBC's "Hardball" today.
:wtf:
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 04:18 PM
Response to Reply #36
39. And Tweety will be broadcasting from CT tomorrow
Wants to be there for Joe's victory party, I guess.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 04:38 PM
Response to Reply #39
46. Tweety just announced that Joe ducked out of the interview.
:wow:
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 04:41 PM
Response to Reply #46
47. To be fair and honest .......
Tweety said both Lamont and Lieberman were invited and both cancelled.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 05:38 PM
Response to Reply #47
54. This a.m.'s Hardball promotion stated that Joe would appear. They said
nothing about Lamont.
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Bluzmann57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 04:20 PM
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40. Here's another thought
Edited on Mon Aug-07-06 04:21 PM by Bluzmann57
Maybe Democrats in Connecticut are now leaning toward Lieberman and intend to vote for him tomorrow. I don't live there and really don't know, I'm just sayin'.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 04:25 PM
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42. Good gawd, the excuses are starting to roll in already.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 05:39 PM
Response to Reply #42
55. Can't blame people for not trusting anything that goes down
with regard to elections; it's the consequence of breeching the trust and it may never be regained.
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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 04:42 PM
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48. Get enough people depressed,
so they stay home and don't vote? Could that be it?
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 09:48 PM
Response to Reply #48
66. No.
Under which scenario would a Lamont supporter stay home and not vote:

1.Lieberman is closing the gap and threatening to win the election, or
2.Lamont is sitting comfortably on a 15 point lead?
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Sapere aude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 06:17 PM
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57. Compare exit polls with the published polls with the election results.
Edited on Mon Aug-07-06 06:18 PM by Sapere aude
I'll bet dollars to donuts that the exit polls show Lamont is favored. The last published polls show the race too close to call and Lieberman gets the most counted votes.

Common show me your donuts!
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tom22 Donating Member (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 06:43 PM
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62. Connecticut elections are relatively honest.
You can't do much with the machines. The traditional way to fix a Connecticut vote is through phony absentee ballots. which don't get counted unless the election is close.
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tom22 Donating Member (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 06:48 PM
Response to Reply #62
63. PS If Lieberman does win the difference
will have been Bill Clinton's endorsement.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 09:43 PM
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65. you know what global?
I had that EXACT same thought when I heard "the gap is closing" - I started wondering if I was becoming a consipiracy theorist, then I decided it is truly said that we simply don't trust the elections process any more - and with damn good reason
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 09:55 PM
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67. If they could manipulate the polls...
...why didn't they start doing it months ago when Lieberman was way ahead?
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