Mrs. Clinton, Time-Warner and 'democracy', NYS style.

[Smarmie Doofus]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jonathan-tasini/how-big-media-censors-pol_b_26432.html

Seems Time-Warner has decided that HRC's primary opponent Jonathan Tasini cannot debate Clinton on its NY1 TV channel. He's on the ballot and polling double digits despite widespread media blackout.

Stated reason: T-W has decided Tasini, a veteran labor and antiwar activist, hasn't 'raised enough $$$ to be a serious candidate. ( this has never been a criteria in past NY1 debates.)

Actual reason ( I surmise): the accomplished and articulate Tasini, will cut HRC to smithereens... forensically speaking. And Iraqi war fan Hillary and the NYS bosses want nothing less than to see their gal Liebermanized this late in the election cycle.

If Tasini doesn't get on NY1 it's possible that Clinton will avoid a public debate altogether, as thus far she has ignored the traditional League of Womens Voter affair invitation , which Jonathan has already received and accepted.

So, naturally, I'm wondering what... if any... strings are being pulled behind the scenes either by the NYS DEM machine ( which likes the war and ABHORS Tasini) or by the FOB network.

Anyone figured out what's going on here?

[MrBenchley]

1. Even local cable access has no interest in this obscure wacko

"it's possible that Clinton will avoid a public debate altogether"
Considering she's ahead of either GOP loser by 40 points and pulling away, it's hard to be fucking surprised.

[Smarmie Doofus]

2. He's less obscure , statistically, than the GOP....

gubernatorial candidate Suozzi; he's polling at 9% and has been invited to the GOP primary debate. Tasini's polling at 13%, and has been UNinvited.

Therefore, 'obscurity' does not appear to be a relevant concern.

[MrBenchley]

23. Well, there's an ace to draw to!

Yes, vote for Statini or whaterver the fuck his name is....he's not quite as out of touch with what voters want as a GOP failure.

[acmejack]

5. He's neither obscure nor a "whacko"!

Why don't you attempt to limit your smear campaign to facts, Benchley? I can understand why you would prefer that Ms. Clinton be allowed a free pass, lest she be exposed for the position of convenience triangulating corporatist that she is.

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[MrBenchley]

22. He's both obscure and a whacko

which is why not even local cable access gives a shit about him.....

"triangulating corporatist"
Oh, no...anything but that (snicker).....

[Greyhound]

3. I wonder why the number 1 repuke donor would want to stifle a

Democratic debate?

[Smarmie Doofus]

4. Meaning T-W? But I thought the GOP establishment...

... 'hated' Hillary. Wouldn't they *want* to undermine her?

[itzamirakul]

6. Hillary is the GOP selection for Democratic candidate...

to ensure another presidential election loss. They are aided and abbetted by the DLC, which is the RW arm of the Democratic Party.

[Smarmie Doofus]

8. So they are trying to build her up now....

... so that she'll fall on her face later?

This seems a bit far-fetched. Seems more likely that she's turned-out to be more to their liking... for whatever reasons... than they had anticipated.

Something similar to the dynamic she has with Murdoch, whose media used to savage her with abandon but with whom she has now made 'peace'... if you can call it that.

[itzamirakul]

10. Remember when Bill was President and Hillary informed us that

there was a "vast, right-wing cabal" that basically was in control of the government? Well, IMO, that cabal managed to buy both Bill and Hillary at some point.

It is a real shame because I was once a dyed-in-the-wool, 100% Clinton loyalist, during ALL of their problems.

Now, that I see some things with Bill that make me quite unhappy, i.e., his fawning over Bush,Sr and other stuff.

Hillary has not shown ANY GUTS in confronting the rw Gops with their lies, etc. Her support of the war, to show the nation that she is not "too girly" to be a strong president, would be fine if our reason for going to war was logical. But since I do not find it logical, then I cannot blind myself to her support of a policy that goes against Democratic Party ideals.

Her unquestioning support of Israel, and never mentioning or recognizing that this is the support of an apartheid government, her lack of leadership statements during Katrina, her lack of courage during the msm attack on 2004 Democratic candidates.

This is a woman who never lived in NYC and yet was somehow bestowed with a senator position shows just what the Lobby, the DLC and the GOP can do when they are working together.

She is my senator and I voted for her before. I doub t seriously that I will vote for her ever again.

I do not like the fact that she stands for none of the things that I find important, so what good is she to me?

[oasis]

20. If Hill embraced Al Sharpton's position on every issue across the board

she would be quite popular on DU. But she's have no chance at being re-elected senator.

[CrispyQ]

24. I agree with you,

she is a corporatist. She is more interested in sustaining the status quo than any real change.

They will select her as our democratic presidential candidate & they will select her as the prez in '08 & then they will tell us all to shut the fuck up about election fraud, cuz after all a dem & a woman just won. I know it sounds far out, but I think it would be an easy way for them to deal with the election fraud issue.

[KKKarl is an idiot]

9. I agree

She is being built up as a strong candidate for the '08 presidential ticket because she is cannot be elected president. So the the republican rich are helping her fall flat on her face. The republicans will do this to ensure victory. Look at what they are doing in Pennsylvania with Santorum & their support for the green party candidate. But they do not know that the democratic party voters are a lot smarter than them.

[sallyseven]

7. Was the pot free today?

You all seem to have had quite a bit. Leave hillary alone you don't know what your talking about. A bit Chauvinistic aren't you?????

[LynneSin]

13. Oh come on now!!!

Don't you know Hillary Bashing is a sport here at DU

I mean, it's not like we don't have republicans to get out of office :eyes:

:grr:

[Greyhound]

26. Say she gets the nod and wins, what do you think would change? n/t

[Greyhound]

27. No answer? n/t

[LynneSin]

12. Stop calling her Mrs. Clinton - she is Sen. Clinton

That's the crap that the MSM pulls in order to belittle her

[Smarmie Doofus]

14. She's both, actually. And this thread is about.....

the inexplicaby favorable treatment afforded her by the very MSM you say belittles her.

No opinion ?

[Totally Committed]

15. Then, she should stop running as Bill's Wife, and start running

as SENATOR CLINTON. Whenever she's in trouble in any way, she trots out the hubby to endorse whatever POV she's being slammed for. She IS "Mrs. Bill", "Mrs. Clinton" or "Billary" in my mind until she stands alone on her record in the Senate without co-opting a former POTUS just because she can.

She should be going down like Lieberman. It is a testamant to Bill that she isn't.

TC

[rinsd]

16. Huh?

"Actual reason ( I surmise): the accomplished and articulate Tasini, will cut HRC to smithereens... forensically speaking. And Iraqi war fan Hillary and the NYS bosses want nothing less than to see their gal Liebermanized this late in the election cycle."

I support Tasini's participation in the debate but this "analysis" is laughable for two reasons.

1st Hillary is an accomplished, polished speaker who has shown herslef to be a formidable debater.

2nd unless Hillary Clinton eats a baby on national TV there is not way in hell that Tasini can make up the ground he has to cover in one month.

"If Tasini doesn't get on NY1 it's possible that Clinton will avoid a public debate altogether, as thus far she has ignored the traditional League of Womens Voter affair invitation , which Jonathan has already received and accepted."

I will say the same thing I did when McKinney skipped her pre-primary debates, incumbents rarely debate challengers who are 30+ pts(in this case its like 80) behind. However there is political risk, as McKinney found out.

[AtomicKitten]

17. the wolves need to pull up their socks and move on

A recent poll for New York's primary shows Clinton crushing Jonathan Tasini by 79% to 12%.

I know that disappoints some of the HRC-haters here but it is what it is.

No worries. There's plenty of time to bash her before 2008. The GOP will be glad to continue to fax you their talking points.

[AZBlue]

18. Silly you...they don't fax them their talking points.

These guys WRITE the GOP talking points!

[mtnsnake]

19. Tasini "will cut HRC to smithereens"? HAHAHAHA!!!

On what do you base that one? Who the fuck has Tasini ever cut to smithereens in his life? Someone in a highschool election maybe? LOL!

The next person to cut her to smithereens will be the first.

[AZBlue]

21. Got any facts to back this up?

"Stated reason: T-W has decided Tasini, a veteran labor and antiwar activist, hasn't 'raised enough $$$ to be a serious candidate. ( this has never been a criteria in past NY1 debates.)"

Where are you getting the list of criteria from?

[Smarmie Doofus]

25. Click this link:

http://blogs.timesunion.com/capitol/?p=1782

Go to paragraph 4:

>>>Tasini’s campaign manager Stephanie Cannon said she was informed via email by NY1 Political Director Bob Hardt that while the polling threshold is longstanding, the money requirement is new this year. Hardt referred questions to the station’s PR person, and I am awaiting a reply.>>>>

Thats: "informed via email by... Hardt that....****the money requirement is new this year.****"