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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 01:02 PM
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Does the Jewish population living in the U.S. nor see that the republican
....and neocon factions are turning the U.S. into a fascist police state emulating all of the values of Nazi Germany? Maybe they have forgotten what happened to the Jewish population of Europe under fascism. Maybe they believe it could not happen in America. Well, it can and it will if Bush/Cheney and the republican/neocon cabal have their way.


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Future of Orthodox Jewish Vote Has Implications for GOP
Small but Growing Group Receptive to Republican Ideas

By Jim VandeHei
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, August 3, 2006; Page A06

Republicans are hoping a strong defense of Israel translates into greater support among Jewish voters this fall, but the biggest political benefits are likely to come long after the 2006 campaign concludes, according to political and demographic experts studying Jewish voting trends.

The Jewish group proving most receptive to Republican overtures over the past decade is among the smallest: Orthodox Jews. Right now, they account for roughly 10 percent of the estimated 5.3 million Jews in the United States, hardly enough to tip most elections.

This is likely to change significantly in the years ahead because Orthodox Jews are the fastest-growing segment of the Jewish population, raising the possibility that one of the most reliable Democratic voting blocs will be increasingly in play in future elections, according to surveys of Jewish voting and religious and social habits.

"The likelihood is there will be a very quick jump in the number of orthodox as the baby boomers age and die," said David A. Harris of the American Jewish Committee, a nonpartisan organization that conducts an annual survey of Jews. "They will be increasingly replaced by Orthodox children who are more" in line with Republicans.

This unfolding transformation of the Jewish community is coloring the debate over the latest Middle East conflict, Republican and Democratic lawmakers said. Both parties are emphasizing their commitment to Israel and looking for opportunities to portray the opposition as insufficiently supportive.
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One trend Democrats and Republicans agree on is that older Jews are voting almost 9 to 1 for Democrats and are unlikely to change their views. "The single most hostile community to Republicans is the 70-and-older community," said Matthew Brooks, of the Republican Jewish Coalition. "That segment will not be part of the electorate going forward much longer."
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 01:06 PM
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1. If you belong to the Fascist Party, you don't get beat up by brown shirts
and your mortal remains don't end up as ashes in mass graves.

Maybe they are paying better attention than we give them credit for, eh?
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 01:11 PM
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2. People who have been victims of crimes..like many jewish people
..have antenna that go up when something scary happens. All Rove an * have to do is go to war in the middle east..stir things up... and people with experience of victims of crime..respond with more aggression than others.

So it was written in the cards. That people who know people in Israel and care deeply about them..will have a different startle responce to any threat to that population.

That is just the way it is.

The fact that * wanted to be a "war President" in the "middle east"... meant that there were be a different set of fears activated in different parts of the Democratic base.

One of the many reasons to go to war and be a war president...not one of the reasons they talked about at the time... but inevitable once the destabilization ball was set in motion. Likely Bush doesn't think that far ahead. But the people around him, the ones really making the decisions, likely do think 4 or 5 years down the road.

And people starltled by Iran PM's responce to US destabilization... and Iraqi destabiliztion...will react aggressive defensively. And that is part of the Democratic base.

All as predictable as the sun rising.

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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 01:22 PM
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3. Well, that would be the response of non-thinking persons, it surprises
...me that in this case many more Jewish people can't see through the lies and deceptions of BushCo and the threat this new world order poses to anyone who is not in agreement with the fascist order.

I guess I'm of the mindset, fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 01:32 PM
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5. Did I mention..that I was talking for people who have been victimized
in actuality? Not in theory? People who through a parent or grandparent...are vigilant...because they were horribly abused. It isn't a choice really. You get more scared. Cause you know what pain is.

Someone without the choice on how to feel...when under threat or threat to their loved one...has the option to not be vigilant or strong. They can say "aw..it will work out okay..I'll just forget about it".

People have the emotional make-up of whence they came into this world and were socialized. You grow up and try not to be manipulated. But everyone with emotions is vulnerable. So in this case many, many people have mixed thoughts about war.. but then again.. they know Hizbollah is there. And their take or what they can "take" is different than you. Cause you live in a free society where everyone is allowed to be who they are.

The nasties..just take advantage of every tiny little difference between us all. Within the group of Jewish American democrats..I'm sure there is level upon level of feeling and discussion over this. It is never taken lightly at all.


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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 06:26 PM
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6. Sorry - I meant "Someone with the choice on how to feel" - Error. My bad
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11cents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 01:24 PM
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4. This article *explicitly says*....
...that it's the small orthodox segment of the American Jewish population that's responsive to GOP overtures. (Meanwhile, for years now the GOP has been seeding the press with stories about how they're making gains among Jews, claims which haven't been borne out at the polls.) But your topic header asks why "the Jewish population living in the US" is blind. Didn't you read the article that you posted?
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cracksquirrel Donating Member (251 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 06:30 PM
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7. I was gonna say...
Jews are still a solid 80% Democrat, the only other demographic group voting more solidly Democrat being Blacks. So no, we're not happy with the Chimpenfuhrer, and it's the religious nuts (of all stripes, in this case Jewish), that stray from the pastures of rationality.
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xkenx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 07:13 PM
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8. I Think I Know What's Going On
Edited on Fri Aug-04-06 07:16 PM by xkenx
My wife had lunch the other day with relatives who thought it was great how strongly Bush supports Israel. When my wife explained why(what I've written below), they landed on her. Support of Israel, in their minds, outweighed everything else. I think most of their information comes from sound bites on the 11 o'clock news. It is as if any U.S. President/Administration since Israel's formation in 1948 didn't fully support her as a pro-western democracy through foreign aid, military sales, unwavering diplomatic support in the U.N. and elsewhere. Yes, Bush's support is real, but not many people realize the foundation for his apparently extra-strong support. It is his and his Fundamentalist Christian supporters'/base's belief that Israel must be maintained intact for the second coming of Christ (the Armageddon/Rapture literalist interpretation of the Bible). Problem is that this interpretation has Jews playing their part in this scenario, in which some Jews accept Christ, the rest perish. Other Jews wave off the Rapture, saying it couldn't happen. In my opinion, it is immaterial whether other people believe that these events could come to pass; Bush and his Christian Fundamentalist base believe it and behave accordingly.
In my opinion again, Bush's misguided policies vis-a-vis Iraq and his failure to address peace attempts elsewhere in the Middle East or North Korea, or to go after the real terrorists like Osama bin Laden, Hizbollah, and the like, have made their neighborhood a MORE dangerous place for Israel. For example, where was the strong effort to help Lebanon control Hizbollah in southern Lebanon? Answer, our time, effort, resources, were busy taking out a (yes, bad guy) dictator who ran a secular country whom Osama would destroy if he could because Saddam was not a "True Believer," who no longer had WMDs, and who was nowhere near even having ingredients to begin a nuclear program. In the 1990s, after the Gulf war, and upon the wreckage of Saddam's army and equipment and the dismantling of Saddam's WMDs, the Israeli intelligence services downgraded the Iraqi threat from #2 or 3(after only Syria and/or Iran) to #7. That's how much they were worried about Saddam. As for Democracy throughout the Middle East, democratic elections installed Hamas in Palestine, and democratic elections produced the Lebanon that we see.
Meanwhile George Bush in America violates his oath of office which requires that he uphold the laws of the country and protect and defend the Constitution. Facism rears its ugly head in America. Jews should be worried about THAT.
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