I want a fight

[Stinky The Clown]

I'm aching for a real fight. You know. Brass knuckles. Bicycle chains. Zip guns. Rolls of quarters. Sharks and Jets.

Us against them.

Wimpy Dems? Just stay on the porch and watch as your boys kick some ass.

We might be outgunned, but we will NOT be outmanned. Many more of us are pissed off than them.

I want to kick someone smack in the balls. I want broken noses and bloody mouths.

I know I'll get hit, too. But that's okay. I took it before and I'll take it again. I'm an old son of a bitch. Cunning and guile - and righteous anger - will go along with my still functioning arms and legs to make me victorious. This may be my last fight. But it will, BY GAWD, be my best fight.

Its time, people. No more 'reaching out'. No more bipartisanship. If that's what you want, then stay there. On the porch.

We MUST get it done and get it done now. This is a fight that is long overdue. This fight started in 1994. Newt. Remember him? 1994. Remember Richard Mellon Sciafe? Remember Ken Star? Remember them? They kicked our ass. Rove, Cheney, Bush? They just reaped the benefits of the '94 dustup. They're chumps. We can take them.

Paybacks are hell and I want to put a whole ton of hell on their asses.

Fuck 'nice'. Fuck 'fair'.

I REALLY want a fight. I want them DOWN.

Who's with me?

[acmavm]

1. Seriously, I think that you've got the spirit that more dems need.

In fact, unless more dems get cranky like you are and drop this piss ant persona of 'nice', I think we're gonna go down in flames again. Even if we do win the elections (if you know what I mean).

[havocmom]

2. Agent Mike is prolly wit ya

Everybody, remember to say :hi: to the nice agents watching before you go on a rant about doing physical harm to anyone.

edited to add
Think it, but don't write (in the public square) what ya are gonna do to em

[whistle]

3. Kinda like "Gangs of New York", eh! Well, they've been street fighting

...in Palestine and Israel and much of the rest of the middle-east for over 60 years and look where it has taken them to today. Cooler heads, rule of law and the will of the people at the polls in November is the better way. But keep the passion it provides the force and momentum.

[brentspeak]

4. With you here

Kick those Republican swine, along with their politics of smear and lies, out of D.C. for good. I want to see the American public disown them to such an extent that Bush, Cheney, Ken Mehlman, Bill Frist, Dennis Hastert, as well as every smarmy, young Republican dweeb congressional staffer, will have no choice but to work behind a counter at McDonald's or Burger King, taking orders for cheeseburgers with no pickles, in order to make a living.

[Totally Committed]

5. Being more of a disciple of the Schools of

Gandhi/Martin Luther King, Jr./Thoreau, I am into non-violence in a big way. I do, however, have a Black Belt in "Mouth". I'm spunky, too. Can you use me? If so, I'm there!

TC

[MuseRider]

7. "a black belt in mouth!"

That is wonderful! May I use that?

[Totally Committed]

9. Absolutely!

I would be happy to have you use that!

TC

[Jeffersons Ghost]

90. In the higher disciplines of Mahatma Gandhiche, much like Marshal Arts...

We must seek balance before kicking metaphorical ass.
Balance words with actions and donations.

[Stinky The Clown]

15. A Black Belt in Mouth .......

..... is **exactly* what we need.

You're in this fight to the hilt, TC. On the streets. Against the wall.

[rucky]

6. Let's have a dance-off!

[deaniac21]

32. My gang is better'n yours.....

[MGD]

8. Your enemy won't have the courage to face you.

He'll hide behind a wall of ballistic shields and tear gas.

[brentspeak]

10. Just as a disclaimer:

I want to kick the Repubs' rears out of D.C. figuratively, not literally. (But you knew that already).

:patriot:

[Stinky The Clown]

40. And presumably those who posted replies 2 and 3 ....

... among others, failed to see this as a metaphor.

Sometimes subtle is too .... subtle. :)

[iamahaingttta]

11. You Bastard! You were reading my mind!

I swear to whatever holy fucking godhead impulse or silly divine deity that may be lurking around the corner and driving these ideas, but Sweetie and I had this conversation last night, and we were just talking about that conversation when I opened your message thread:


"Well, it's about time for the big revolution to begin in this country. It's gonna be kinda like the Civil War."

"Yeah, the Southern 'slave owning' population are now the 'christian' right-wing fundie whack-job brain-dead conservative assholes. With all this horror now in Israel and Lebanon, it'll only be a matter of time before someone tries to blow up the Temple or some other stupid shit. That will be their cue."

"The dynamic will be the same as it was 150 years ago. We've go the numbers, but they've got the will to fight, defending an insane upside-down to reality belief system."

"It'll be brother against brother just like it always is. It's Issaac against Ishmael in the Middle East, it'll be Jim-Bob against Brucie here. "

"I say this time, we slaughter all the stupid people and morans and don't give them a chance to resurge ever again. It's the backwash. There aren't as many of them as the noise they make, and they're really the ones who are the pussies. Half of them will just cave in once the shit REALLY hits the fan!"

"That's what they want you to say. That's the victimization they need to thrive. Congratulations, you've just played their game, and have dealt them a winning hand!"

"I know, I know. But whaddya do other than scrape the scum out of the bottom of the gene pool, and throw it away with the rest of the garbage?"

"A thing to remember is that we now live in a civilization where 'Justice' has been trumped by 'Law' and yet 'Law' is only for those with no 'Power.' If you've got enough 'Power' you can pretty much do what you want. It's time to forget about 'Law' and somehow get to a world of 'Justice.' Somehow. We've got more 'Power' than we know."

"But first we have to scrape the scum out of the gene pool?"

"Yeah, pretty much..."

"It's not really Democrats versus Republicans, though."

"You're right. It's Logic versus Insanity. Those people do not live in the same reality as most of us. It's really kind of sad, and I wish we could all just get along. But that ain't gonna happen. They've got BIG fucking mouths and they're not afraid to spew their verbal crap all over. And they do it to destroy polite society, of which they are NOT a part!"

"The part that I find really fucked up is that Capitalism is playing the enabler in all of this."

"Well, that's because Capitalism KNOWS that there are not enough resources on the planet to sustain this many human beings at rising standards of living. Capitalism is actually causing this shake up in order to kill of as many people as possible. 2007 and 2008 are going to be the bloodiest years in human history. And, it will be done at a profit and we are the consumers of all this horror. George Bush is merely the empty vessel used to bring this all into being. He's a tool. And the Democrats know all this. They'll be elected in 2008 to clean up the mess, and then the cycle will begin again. Contraction/ Expansion. Contraction/Expansion. Same old story."

"So, what does a person who thinks and who cares do with all of this?"

"Do the right thing. That's all you can do. It's time to ignore the law, because that's what they do. Stop paying your fucking taxes and stop using your fucking credit cards. Stop playing the game. Really. Send Capitalism a message that you will not consume this from them anymore. Voting with our dollars has become more important than the ballot box. Just do the right thing, and if for you that includes whatever means are necessary to 'clean the scum out of the bottom of the gene pool' then that's what you gotta do. But just make sure you're doing the right thing. Be nice to old people and animals. Say please and thank you. And do what you can to make certain that the crazies never turn this shining palace into a looney-bin ever again!!!"



Something like that...

[The Night Owl]

12. To you, I would say...

"Wimpy Dems? Just stay on the porch and watch as your boys kick some ass."

Your desire to resort to violence to fight a battle which needs to be fought and won ideologically, not physically, is the epitome of weakness.

Seriously, what do you think you are accomplishing by trying to whip people here into a frenzy? So, you have your glorious fight... then what?

If my refusal to embrace the violent mentality that many on the right have embraced makes me a wimpy Dem, then so be it.

[Stinky The Clown]

13. Number One .......

Its a metaphor.

Number Two ..... stay on the porch.

[The Night Owl]

14. Well, OK...

Your metaphorical call to arms included nothing to indicate that it was metaphorical, but I will withdraw my criticism anyway.

[POAS]

91. Much of the Bible is metaphor also and

most people never got that either.

[lumberjack_jeff]

42. Keep that porch swing warm.

Malcom X was right: By whatever means necessary.

[donsu]

16. me, I'm with you

nt

[yellowcanine]

17. Why are you being such a panty waist? No baseball bats? Ax handles?

Streetsweepers?

[Stinky The Clown]

18. If ya got 'em .....

.... bring 'em.

If ya bring 'em ...... use 'em.

[Sammy Pepys]

19. So where shall this dewskitch take place?

However, I confess that I prefer fencing to fisticuffs. Leave the brawling to the tradesmen and buck cabbies.

[The Night Owl]

20. You think Ken Starr and Richard "Mr. Burns" Scaife kicked our asses?

You think Ken Starr and Richard "Mr. Burns" Scaife kicked our asses? I don't.

The impeachment of President Clinton was little more than a failed attempt to unseat him. In the end, the effort cost the Republicans who pursued it their jobs and their reputations. I call that a welcome result.

The only thing the Republicans can claim they acheived by impeaching Bill Clinton is that they made those who hated Bill Clinton before impeachment hate him a little bit more. In other words, no significant effect.

[Stinky The Clown]

26. Oh really?

Lesse ..... Jim 'Tex" Sensenbrenner .... still there

Lindsey 'Gomer' Graham ...... promoted

The list goes on ......

They also caused otherwise uninformed people to know that Bill got a blowjob and that became blowback against Gore.

I see it differently. They did, indeed, give us an ass kicking. Not fatal (yet). But a severe ass kicking.

[Totally Committed]

31. I'll take a nickel-bag of whatever it is you're smoking!

That impeachment proceeding set the stage for what will be the most destructive 8-year reign in this country's hisory. There was also the added effect of the reveleations of Clinton's conduct souring a lot of Democrats (the ones he didn't already turn off with his NAFTA/Welfare Reform Act/Media Dergulation/and other Republican-friendly legislation barrage) off to him.

And his hanging out with Papa Bush is destroying what's left of credibility for his legacy.

Is this a "welcome result", too?

Not for me, it isn't.That "Impeachment" proceeding and Republican-policy kiss-up was the complete waste of what could have been an historic Presidency.

TC

[Dr Fate]

36. It gained them enough of a margin to steal Al Gore's presidency. n/t

n/t

[grasswire]

21. you said it was the "creepiest thread"

I posted the text below on a thread. You, H2S, posted that it was the creepiest thread you'd ever read here. An interesting progression.


What to do. How to live.

In at least two previous times in American history, our people grappled with the same kinds of panic -- the American Revolution and the Civil War. Choices were made that split families and destroyed friendships. One path was liberty for all, even if it meant giving one's life, one's fortune, one's sacred honor. The other path was allegiance to power and privilege.

This is our moment. The reality is beginning to sink in. Families will be ripped apart by the choices. Americans will be jailed. Fortunes will be lost. Life will not be the same as it has been. The truth is that "normalcy" is slipping away. The choice is forced upon us.

We are panicked because we don't know what to do; how to protect our loved ones. I believe there are four steps that will empower us.

1. Name the evil. Face it. Call it what it is. We live under an elite oligarchy with increasingly tyrannical intent. Define it as you will, but name it truthfully.

2. Find your particular task in the struggle. Some can only roll bandages. Some can be leaders and speak in the public square. Some can raise dissidents. Some can write pamphlets that will shake the system. Some can make tea and provide comfort. Find your task and devote yourself to it.

3. If you cannot be on the front lines, provide support and comfort to those who are. Offer your resources and energies to prophets and warriors for truth, to help them with their work.

4. But even more: Come together intimately with likeminded people. Commit to the possibility of raising each others' children, sharing your home, offering passage, whatever is needed. Think back to the models of the Underground Railroad and the Sons of Liberty and the Civil Rights battles. Americans will protect liberty with solidarity.

It's a new day. We're needed, each one.

[Stinky The Clown]

49. I remember that thread

And yes, it was creepy. A form of civil Armeggedon.

To be thoughtful (as opposed to inciteful, as *this* thread was), I think the Armeggedon will much more likely take the form of some discovery of common ground by those on both sides who still cherish reason over violence.

In this thread, my call for a fight was metaphorical. In reality, the fight will be waged based on reason and the discovery of that common ground we all know is out there. The country will *never* be in full agreement on anything, even if we outlast the Roman Empire a thousandfold. The breakthrough will come when we **deescalate** the rhetoric and the rancor of politics and return to (or finally arrive at) a mutually desired civil discourse and debate.

I lay blame for the rancor fully at the feet of the Republicans, starting mainly in 1994 and mainly by Newt Gingrich - aided and abetted by what Hillary Clinton very rightly termed a 'vast right wing conspiracy'.

My only quarrel with Dems that I can fairly mount is that we failed to stand up to them. We did, indeed, cave in to them.

I don't know what it will take to end the escalative nature of this fight, but it will happen when those on **both** sides of the fight come to that most sacred of places: Common Ground.

While there is little, if anything at all, on which I can base some commonality with those who have stolen ou government, I know with every bit of my reason and soul that I can find much in common with many rank and file (and now pretty disenchanted) Republicans. Things like the rule of law. Things like fiscal responsibility. Things like honest government of a size minimally required to meet its duties to society. Things like reduced government intrustion into our lives. Things like religious freedem, including the right to a freedom from religion.

No, the issue today is the quest for power in place of governance. The quest for concentrated wealth instead of the common weal. There's nothing inherently evil about a Republican. But there is nothing BUT evil in the face of the Republican Party today.

[Spaceman Spiff]

22. I have an assault rifle

and a brown belt in kempo so let's rock and roll!!!

<><>

[Stinky The Clown]

27. Leave the rifle home

No need for that so far.

[KansDem]

23. Permit me to wave a red flag in front of you...

This image just pisses me off no end!

Let me know when "the rumble" commences. I may go down first but at least I'll go down swinging!

on edit: ...which is a helluva lot better than scratching my head while standing...

[Spaceman Spiff]

24. I think you got me all wrong!!

I'm as liberal as they come! I'm on YOUR side, brother/sister!!! Guess I shoulda been more specific about that. I'll be the first to yell in my Comicbook Guy voice "George...Bush:...Worst...President...Ever!!!"

See, I come from southwest Virginia. Even your most liberal Democrats are gun owners around here.

[KansDem]

28. ???

I was responding to Husb2Sparkly's "I want a fight" thread. Did our wires cross?

??
:(

[Stinky The Clown]

29. And waaaaaay better than .....

..... scratching one's ass while watching. :)

[lumberjack_jeff]

43. It's not enough to react to that photo...

We must BE that photo - except a lot more. I'm saving money for my plane ticket.

[Stinky The Clown]

50. I like the way you think

[ChiciB1]

25. I'm In... But I've Been Saying This For Months Now!

We've MUST do better than blogging! We need ACTION! The ONLY thing I see on the horizon of a "National" theme is Fort Fed Up headed by Cindy Sheehan. I want to participate in D.C. again if I can, but EVERY SINGLE TIME I've posted about getting together, getting UNITED and taking to the streets.... like so MANY other countries do, I get ZILCH!

I think it's imperative that we DO SOMETHING... NOW!

[Stinky The Clown]

30. Lemme tell ya how I see it ......

Brass Knuckles = Knocking on Doors for Democratic Candidates

Bicycle Chains = Phone Banking for Democratic Candidates

Zip Guns = Confronting your Asshole Neighbor About the Crisis HIS Vote Cost Us

Rolls of Quarters = Give to Democratic Candidates Until It Hurts

Sharks and Jets = Volunteering for or financially supporting groups that see things as you do.

[ChiciB1]

72. First... I Live In Florida & SECOND My Representative Is Cruella....

Katherine H, herself which should give you some indication as to how very RED this county is!

I have trouble even finding enough people who are willing to go along with me on much of anything. I have done a lot, but Democrats here just don't seem to be extremely active. I CAN'T remember the names of even TWO people who have been a city commissioner. This is one reason I'm ALWAYS so willing to join up with those who are more like-minded.

Local Democratic groups around here are a bit lame and from all the meetings and groups I've connected with I generally coma away feeling pretty frustrated.

There is a meeting next week that I'm going to go to... so far 5 people have agreed to attend. It's the MoveOn.org media blitz. I'm not expecting much, but SOMEONE has to show up! I'm not a shrinking violet, but even people I meet up with seem to pull back when I ask them to go with me and get more active.

I'm TIRED of pushing the envelope and having many think I'm some kind of kook who REALLY wants to pull out the long knives. It would BE nice just to have another "soul" to come along with me just to hand out SOME KIND of flyer! I have neighbors who ARE Democrats and I HAVE bugged them to death, but in the end I generally "go alone!" There are even a couple of DU'ers here but I've had no luck in getting them to join me.

Ya know it's much nicer to have a friend along with you, at least one of us can watch out for the opposition throwing tomatoes! It's such a turn-off and very depressing!

[Placebo]

33. You are scaring me.

:scared:

Seriously, you need help. Go see a shrink or some other mental health professional ASAP.

[Dr Fate]

37. Mary Beth? Donna? Is that you?

???

[Stinky The Clown]

38. Up on the porch with you

We'll call for you when we're done.

Oh ... and shrink this. K?

[Placebo]

53. Your blood lust is sick.

Honestly, no normal balanced person should be spouting the hatred and violent rhetoric you are.

[Stinky The Clown]

56. Yeah, whatever ......

[Dr Fate]

57. Let's be NICE to the liars & criminals !!! (said in lispy voice) n/t

n/t

[Juffo Wup]

61. We'll, like, change the world with our ENERGY, man

n/t

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[Dr Fate]

63. Wrong- all the Gay folks I know are ready to kick ass.

"Lispy voice" pertains to the weak-kneed, Politically correct-to-a-fault, NPR announcer, Mr. Rogers, nice guy approach to politics.

I should have added "timid" and "shakey" as descriptive terms as well.

Now the name you called me- I would love to see Elected Democrats be that agressive towards Republicans- so it looks like you are not against "fighting" after all!

I'm not scared of homosexuals- I'm scared of Republicans and I'm scared of the fact that too many lispy-voiced Democrats, straight or gay, are afraid to fight those Republicans.

[Placebo]

70. So one can't have a lispy voice and be "tough"?

Your reasoning astounds me.

[Dr Fate]

76. PC gone wild again- it's a metaphor. Ever watch TV?

Ever thought about the fact that voters prefer Clint Eastwood to Mr. Rogers?

"Make my day, punk" spoken in a husky drawl gets more votes than "Please be my neighbor" in a shakey, lispy voice. Voters like tough guys- it's a fact. (Again- this is a METAPHOR)

I'm more concerened with getting my point across- If I offend a few NPR announcers and other timid people, so be it.

[SeattleGirl]

34. I like the way you think!

Sometimes -- oftentimes, actually -- I feel so freakin' angry about what's going on that I want to kick ass and take names later. And I agree -- any whimpy Dems (can you say DLC?) can just stay on the damn porch!

[Dr Fate]

35. I've been labeled a "DEM basher" for beating on that drum-so be careful

Many excuse makers & apologists will attack YOU in an effort to cover for these DEMS who refuse to fight- so be careful.

Be prepared for the most creative excuses as to why DEM A or DEM X cant bring themsleves to fight- You will note that they will have more excuses for why we cant fight than actuals ways TO fight.

I'm with ya though- keep on talking!!!

[Stinky The Clown]

39. Feh ...... I'm more concerned with getting my fucking country back than

pissing off some Vichy Dems.

Excuses ..... indeed. The Repubs come up with bullshit 'reasons' and we come up with bullshit 'excuses'.

Fuck that.

[Dr Fate]

41. Glad to hear it- just be prepared for weak-knees & PC gone nuts.

If you are talking about an effort to pressure actual elected Democrats to go on TV and start punching some throats, you have a long road ahead of you with most in the party- but I'll back you up.

Go ahead- post some threads with some actual, specific examples of how specific, elected Democrats could go on TV and call Bush a "criminal" or a "liar" or "impeachable"- I'll bet you will get as many excuses for why it cant happen as people backing you up.

You will even be accused of forcing the Democrats to lose more elections- I'll bet cha money.

[Stinky The Clown]

45. I will NOT take that bet .........

..... cuz I'd lose.

I've been sitting on a topic for three days now. A recount of a conversation I had with a certain Dem's phone banker who called me asking for bucks for his PAC - to support 06 candidates. It was truly a "Looking Glass" conversation.

Talk about excuses and denials and weak-assed arguments. I was so pissed after that I coulda spit. Or worse.

Fucking appeasers. Go along to get along. Perpetuate the status quo. Maintain the minority.

Sheeesh .... now ya got me started again! :)

[Dr Fate]

47. Hey- let's just keep yelling & keep being invloved.

Somebody's gotta do it.

[lumberjack_jeff]

44. Sometimes the people must lead the leaders

... by example.

[Dr Fate]

46. For how many years? The good folks on the ground are not the problem.

The good activists on the ground have been agressive against Bush/media since Clinton's impeachment.

The only DEMS I know of who dont want to fight are elected DEMS, media pundit DEMS and some DUers- I NEVER meet actual Democrats who think like that at meetings or on the bus/in grocery lines, etc.

How many YEARS does the activist/Donor base have to BEG the elected & media DEMS to start punching some throats b/f they start doing it???

[Stinky The Clown]

54. VERY well said!

You're so very right. I have not met a placid Democrat in a long damned time. Every one I meet is pissed off. I mean really fucking mad. Wet hornet mad. Junk yard dog mad.

But then, maybe its just me. Maybe I get them that pissed off cuz **I'm** that pissed off.

I've gotten people all riled up in gas stations while filling up. In grocery lines while checking out and looking at magzine covers. At business meetings (I can't shut up, even when I'm with clients ..... if they don't like me, that's their problem; there's more than enough work out there.)

The funny thing is, when I meet Repuiblicans, they're **not** pissed off. They're not smug, either. They mostly look shell shocked or disillusioned.

We CAN win this thing. We just gotta want it and be willing to do what it takes.

[Placebo]

51. Excuse to fight?

You mean physically, of course. Violence in the streets.

That's just sick.

[Dr Fate]

55. Er- Sorry Ms. Brazille-It's a metaphor. Here are a few more:

Let's gouge their eyeballs out.

Let's knock their lying teeth down their throats.

Let's yank off their theiving arms and beat them with it.

Let's ravage their women and make them watch.

Etc, etc.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

48. I know EXACTLY what you mean.

Last time I checked, brass knuckles could be purchased in Army surplus stores.

[RangerSmith]

52. Help, jump on out there... It's the way of the world today

If someone doesn't agree with your brand of politics or religion, blood needs to be shed.

I'm already pretty weary of it. I can't seem to find anybody engaged in it that isn't a raving fucking kool aid drinking fanatic. Their way or else.

Fuck that.

[Stinky The Clown]

58. What's your solution?

Some well-presented 'plan' for some wonkish crap while they rhetorically gouge **your** eyes out?

We've had more than enough of that sort of crap. Its time to fight the GOOD fight.

The blood that needs to be shed is political blood.

[Dr Fate]

59. Er- it's a metaphor. "Draw blood" should be figurative.

When we say we want to fight- we mean we want to actually chllenge Republicans and media types, to their faces, when they lie, steal or commit treason.

A lot of us have the perception that most elected & media DEMS just sit by and let them "hit" us w/o ever "hitting back."

[Stinky The Clown]

60. You know ...... its really pretty amazing how you have to clarify

that metaphorical thing. Some people are such wimp-asses they blanche at the thought of standing up for themselves. When someone frames that as a 'fight' their knees go all wobbly.

Maybe we need to keep these handy:

[Placebo]

71. Indeed.

Fuck that.

[Name removed]

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[Stinky The Clown]

65. Why?

Because you Republicans have this way of twisting shit instead of addressing real issues. So we need to do that just to show you up. Once you're defeated, then we can get back to reason.

K?

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[Stinky The Clown]

73. Nope ......

..... in the 60's I was wearing blue 13 button pants and a white hat.

What branch were you in, Ace?

[Name removed]

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[Stinky The Clown]

81. Lemme ask you something .......

Did you just wander in here after summer school or were you assigned to this task by your controller 'over there'?

Go home and take this report card with you and give it to your controler:

F-

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[Dr Fate]

82. Who is talking about the 60's, besides you?

Hey- I'm sure we would all love to be 14 years old again, but we cant all be like you.

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[Dr Fate]

83. No- we are listening to and refuting everything you say.

And doing so quite easily.

[Dr Fate]

89. Where did ya go tough guy?- no one has banned you yet.

Chicken or something?

[Dr Fate]

74. What does Truman/Long style politics have to to with the hippies?

Maybe you are the one who needs to re-visit some history books.

[DancingBear]

66. I'd like to tie Bush to an ant hill

and break out the honey.

That, your poor misguided waif, is the definition of GOOD and POSITIVE.

You in for a couple of jars??????????

Oops, almost forgot - I have all the enlistment papers in the car. Which branch of the service were you looking to join again? I know you said you wanted the front lines in Iraq, but (silly me) I can't remember if you said Marines or Army.

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[Dr Fate]

85. No, just old-fashioned, aggressive, man on the street style politics.

It was around long before the 60's and has been around long since- borrow a history book from your 9th grade teacher and check it out.

[Dr Fate]

68. We want a government that doesnt lie us into wars, for starters.

Would that not be "starting something GOOD?"

Here is a plan- dont lie & forge your way into wars- and dont lie to the American people on a daily basis.

But first we have to punch these crooks in the throat to get there.

Wha? You think they will give up their power if we play nice?

No one is talking hippie aquarius stuff here, we are using metaphors and talking about engaging in old-time, agressive Harry Truman style politics.

[Placebo]

75. ...

:rofl:

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[Dr Fate]

78. Look what your wonderful ally says in post #77 n/t

n/t

[Placebo]

79. Well...

even a broken clock is right twice a day.

[Dr Fate]

84. Good luck with all that broken equipment. n/t

n/t

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[Dr Fate]

87. And what does that have to do with this thread?

It is true, it's true in every war. It's happening in THIS war we are in now. Again, you need a history book.

But it's not the thread topic, not that you care.

[Dr Fate]

88. Wimped out already? That's what I thought. n/t

n/t

[Paladin]

92. I'm With You---Let's Rumble

The present-day Democratic resurgence didn't really take hold until some of us made it clear that we were angry enough to take on the right wing on its own, nasty, street-fighting level. Get realistic, and understand that Democratic politeness is a tool our enemies rely upon and use against us at every opportunity. Don't give them the chance.....

[Bosso 63]

93. The bastards you want fight, will never come out to "play"

Chicken hawks are going to outsource that risky job to the "Rednecks" or as I call them my "kin". This is a class war, and I think the day is coming soon that the rednecks are going to realize how they have been used by these candyassed, snot licking, vapid empty suits. When that day arrives, I may almost feel pity for their sorry asses, because I don't think they will be given any quarter, nor mercy.
Pay back is a bitch M#@$%$fu@##rs!

[windbreeze]

94. Color me in....

it's time to fight fire with fire...time to get down and dirty...
windbreeze

[question everything]

95. Then turn off your computer and get out of the house

We have turned into a nation of wimps.

Everyone is sitting at his/her keyboard and flaming others, opines about topics they have no knowledge, lecturing to others thousands of miles aways and oh feeling so good about themselves.

Politicians do what they please because no one bothers to attend a government meeting. Everything is done via cyberspace which is so easy to ignore.

The only people who actually went out were the immigrants - legal and illegal - earlier this year. This is what people care about: their immediate surroundings. Food and shelter and jobs. Most do not care about wars in far away countries, not about Bush lies. If they do they... go to their computers, click and nod and feel virtuous.


(Yes, I know that you did not mean that literally; perhaps you should)

[Brian Stevens]

96. I am willing to die for this cause! n/t