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Vyan Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-09-06 02:12 PM
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NSA and Data-mining could be used to Purge Voter Roles?
Edited on Sun Jul-09-06 02:29 PM by Vyan
Yeah, I know full well how much the idea seems to be full on tin foil hattery, and tiring it can be for the left to constantly be crying foul everytime they lose an election.

What a bunch of crybabies!

Maybe if they actually had some ideas, people might vote for them.

Yeah, I get that. But hold your disbelief for a moment and read, really read what Greg Palast has to say in the Guardian.

There's something rotten in Mexico. And it smells like Florida. The ruling party, the Washington-friendly National Action Party (Pan), proclaimed yesterday their victory in the presidential race, albeit tortilla thin, was Mexico's first "clean" election. But that requires we close our eyes to some very dodgy doings in the vote count that are far too reminiscent of the games played in Florida in 2000 by the Bush family. And indeed, evidence suggests that Team Bush had a hand in what may be another presidential election heist.

Just before the 2000 balloting in Florida, I reported in the Guardian that its governor, Jeb Bush, had ordered the removal of tens of thousands of black citizens from the state's voter rolls. He called them "felons", but our investigation discovered their only crime was Voting While Black. And that little scrub of the voter rolls gave the White House to his brother George.Jeb's winning scrub list was the creation of a private firm, ChoicePoint of Alpharetta, Georgia. Now, it seems, ChoicePoint is back in the voter list business - in Mexico - at the direction of the Bush government.
This same strategy of purging black voters, who overwhelming vote Democratic, was also used in Ohio 2004 as shown by Robert J. Kennedy Jr's report from Rolling Stone - a conclusion that is strongly supported by independant research data.
Over 900 provisional ballots may have been wrongfully rejected because of database problems alone. Between 624 and 938 rejected provisional ballots, mostly classified as “not registered”, were apparently mistakenly purged from the registration lists, or involved other clerical errors in searching or entering data. Since this error was detected by only one type of search, which did not detect other voters who reported similar errors, the true number of provisional ballots wrongfully rejected is likely to be higher. We estimate that 2 out of every 5 provisional ballots that were rejected should have been accepted as legitimate. If we combine incorrectly purged provisional votes, projected votes rejected because of initial registration errors, provisional ballots lost through polling place misinformation and innocent errors filling out the provisional application, it appears that over 41% of rejected provisional ballots (or 14% of all provisional votes) may have been unnecessarily rejected. We estimate that simply changing residence exposes voters to a 6% chance of being disenfranchised. Youth, the poor, and minorities are disproportionately affected. In fact, with respect to just provisional ballots, we found a two-fold increase in rejection rate in predominantly African-American compared to predominantly Caucasian precincts.
Now it appears that what occured in Florida and Ohio has been repeated in Mexico - with a little help from Choicepoint.

As we found in Florida in 2000, my investigations team on the ground in Mexico City this week found voters in poor neighbourhoods, the left's turf, complaining that their names were "disappeared" from the voter rolls. ChoicePoint can't know what use the Bush crew makes of its lists. But erased registrations require us to ask, before this vote is certified, was there a purge as there was in Florida?

Notably, ruling party operatives carried registration lists normally in the hands of elections officials only. (In Venezuela in 2004, during the special election to recall President Hugo Chavez, I saw his opponents consulting laptops with voter lists. Were these the purloined FBI files? The Chavez government suspects so but, victorious, won't press the case.)
So here's the real question, as posed by this dkos diary, regarding our own upcoming 2006 and 2008 elections. Exactly what has the U.S. Government been doing with those Data-Mining files involving the phone-call and email contacts of tens of millions of Americans? Have they shared any of that data with any subcontractors - like Choicepoint? It's it possible to use this information to pinpoint leftist agitators and have their names mysteriously dropped from the voting roles in states with tightly contested races? Just as we saw in Florida, Ohio and it seems Mexico?

We already know that thousands of Americans have been investigated by the FBI based on NSA tips which have lead to dead ends. What happens to those big thick FBI files once the investigation is over? Is this farfetched? Well does anyone remember the Filegate Scandal from the Clinton era? How farfetched was that?

The sad part isn't just that this is perfectly plausible considering the lengths to which the Right-wing has already gone to grab and maintain power - it's that it far more likely to get worse with opposition growing to renewing the Voting Rights Act than it is to get better.

Vyan

Crossposted on Truth 2 Power
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PSPS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-09-06 02:20 PM
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1. Not "tin foil hattery" at all
I think it's pretty much assumed that it's a fact. Even the corporate press covered the open criminality in Ohio in 2004. But the story just dropped away (along with Kerry's disgusting and cowardly dereliction of his duty) and, with the Bush Cabal firmly in control of Congress, nothing will be done about it.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-09-06 02:25 PM
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2. include in that all the stolen data
No tin foil hat theory, it's a hard cold fact and they are going to keep kicking it up a notch until, hmmmmmmm, what? I've just about lost all hope that we will see clean elections again.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-09-06 04:12 PM
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3. Now that the NSA has become the lapdog of the Junta
we need to be wary of what is happening to the data collected by them.

The NSA charter forbids them from spying on Americans. Their primary function is foreign signal intelligence. The NSA or any other intelligence service should not be used against the American people.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-09-06 04:29 PM
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4. that was exactly what the NSA and other data mining was used for.
To look for al Qaeda ..... please. Kerry's computers in Columbus, OH were always being
hacked .... and voter lists and GOTV action plans were the chief area of interest ..... 5 & 6
firewalls were hacked through like nothing.
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