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Redbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 08:56 AM
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To me, this Rove thing only makes sense one way.
Given that:

1. We know Rove worked with Cheney,Libby etc. to out Plame
2. We know that Rove lied to the FBI and at least once, if not multiple times, to the grand jury,
3. That Fitzgerald desn't suffer fools gladly and would never not go after someone who lied to him


The only possibility is that Rove flipped.

It also seems this would make some sense of the Truthout story.

If Fitzgerald drew up an indictment of Rove and had the grand jury vote on it, he could either hold it or get it filed under seal. It makes sense that he could have then taken it to Rove's lawyers and said Rove has 24 hours to talk to his people and decide whether to cooperate or fight this indictment.

I've often wondered why nobody suggested a connection between the Truthout story's allegations of a meeting at Luskin's office during teh day on May 12 and the filing from Fitzgerald that contained Cheney's handwritten notes on the op-ed that was filed the vening of May 12.


Rove has now had thirty days to give all his evidence to Fitzgerald. It seems reasonable to me that that after reviewing all Rove hs provided, Fitzgerald calls up Luskin and says looks good, your guy is of the hook.







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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 09:02 AM
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1. Thats the only thng that makes sense to me.
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 09:04 AM
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2. I hate to be so cynical, but Rove didn't "flip"....
he got away with it. Just as THEY always get away with it. Let's not fool ourselves about this. The Vice President shot a man in the face, and the man apologized, fergawdssake. THAY got away with it -- AGAIN. The question is: When will we learn to do what THEY do on days when the news doesn't quite go THEIR way? When will we learn to draw people's attention AWAY from the bad news with OTHER news instead?

Congress is debating Iraq today. Bush's numbers are so low, he had to fly into Baghdad to try and salvage them. There are many elections today to watch. They stole Ohio.

Let's suck this up and move on. And, if ANY DEMOCRAT STEPS FORWARD TO APOLOGIZE IN ANY WAY FOR THIS ROVE THING, WE NEED TO DU HIS OR HER ASS INTO THE OZONE WITH E-MAILS AND PHONE CALLS.

TC
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 09:05 AM
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3. I sincerely doubt Rove flipped
because we are dealing with men of such intense evil, fanatacism, and utter certainty that everything they do is absolutely right that no amount of pressure would ever get any of them to "flip."

My guess is that they managed to circle the wagons as effectively as they did with the anthrax mailings investigation and that no one is telling Fitzgerald anything.

They threw Libby to the wolves, and that's all the wolves are going to get.

I hope I am wrong, just as I've hoped I've been wrong about everything to do with this administration, but I haven't been wrong yet.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 10:58 AM
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11. I believe you got it right. (NT)
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n2doc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 09:06 AM
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4. Why not the obvious- Fitz caved to pressure?
Everybody wants to make him a saint. I will wait to canonize him until after he puts at least one bushco member in jail. Yes Libby indictment is important, but it still is just that, and it hasn't slowed Bushco one iota. Losing KKKarl would have done so, especially when they need his tricks the most to hold on to congress this fall.

Just saying this is a possibility, that's all...
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Redbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 09:39 AM
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8. I see your point, but I have never seen Fitzgerald as a saint, just driven

I think Fitzgerald would never pursue somebody this strongly (to the point of calling them official A in the Libby indictment) and just let them go, unless it furthers his overall investigation.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 10:24 AM
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9. I agree, though I reserve final judgement.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 09:21 AM
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5. I think that is the most logical explanation...
But we will have to wait and see. How long will we have to wait? Maybe not long at all, since this announcement came out today. More news may be breaking very soon?
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 09:29 AM
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6. Ken Mehlman on MSNBC
Just said that the "release" of Rove from the Plame affair has done damage to the Democrats particularly Harry Reid who wrote letters about the culture of corruption in the repug party! :puke:
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budkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 10:44 AM
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10. Oh there's no corruption in the Repug party...

My ass.
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 09:32 AM
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7. Similar take here, but let's all remember that no indictment
does not necessarily mean innocence; it means charges were not provable. One thing's for sure, IF Rove sang like Pavarotti at the Met then there is another target to this investigation.

Now, imagine the scenario of a Cheney indictment coming late December 2006, early January 2007. I wonder who's on the short-list of VP candidates.
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gasperc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 12:05 PM
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12. Rove's cooperating since he can't work in the WH under indictment
and Libby's been promised a pardon

It's as simple as that
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