Second Bush Term, best thing to happen to the Democratic Party?

[Meldread]

Alright, I'm sure we can all agree that Bush is a disaster for America, but politically speaking is it GREAT for the Democratic Party?

A second Bush term has resulted in failure after failure for Bush. He is effectively neutered in office, scandals surround him, and surround every Republican member of Congress. Republican, thanks to Bush, has almost become a dirty word. The Republican party by and large is imploding with no help from the Democratic Party. This likely would not have happened with a Democratically Controlled Congress or a Democratic President.

Perhaps most importantly, it puts the failures of Bush's war on Bush's shoulders and not on the shoulders of a Democrat.

So in the end, politically speaking, is a second Bush term a blessing?

I made this prediction on July 4, 2005:
"If things start coming to light it may have been a blessing in disguise that Bush got re-elected. He'll be effectively neutered in the first year of his second term, most of which he spent advocating for his failed Social Security Plan. He'll spend most of it putting out and tending to fires in his Administration as Republican Representatives across America debate if they want to stick with him or throw him overboard. I think we might see a return to the pre-Reagan era for the Republicans. People will be so emphatically disgusted and outraged by the lies they've been fed and the corruption that the entire party as a whole may be tainted as a result."

Is the above prediction coming to pass?

[MadMaddie]

1. Yes...your predictions are spot on...

yes...it is playing into the favor of the Dems....and here it comes...the Dems need to hammer each crime and each opportunity home...it was okay to stand back and watch them implode....the Dems need to start getting more Media time (I don't know how) but the Dems need to show some backbone...and follow the lead of Feingold, Murtha, Conyers...etc...

[ananda]

2. Exactly how has..

.. Bush been neutered?

AFAICT, he's still getting everything he asks for, and more.

I hope I don't need to provide a list... it's so depressing.

Sue

[onehandle]

3. Thirty+ years of right-wing Supreme Court rule.

Nothing is worth that.

[serryjw]

8. You've seen NOTHING yet

See above.......Stevens will retire or die in his black robe.......Then all hell breaks lose.The Corpocracy RULES everything and 300 Million are their slaves. Pensions will be gone, all job security and all social safety nets are history. You are absolutely right....NOTHING is worth what will happen in 2012 :cry:

[serryjw]

4. Excuse me...Are you crazy?

* dumps all this mess on a democrats prez to try and fix? He raped the US treasury, we have no money to fix any thing. What would you like to do with Iraq? Americans can't remember last week, try 4 years later. I have no doubt we will get Congress in 2006 and the WH in 2008....All hell will break lose in 2012 when Iraq is a disaster, Medicare & SS are a disaster in the making, the dollar has been dumped by China, the housing bubble burst..and lets NOT forget Peak Oil & Global Warming, SCOTUS...(By then Stevens will be gone),education and unemployment.

[Meldread]

7. Missing the point.

Of course it is horrible for America. I am not saying its good for America, I am asking if it good for the Democratic Party politically and tactically speaking. Re-read my original post.

[serryjw]

9. READ MY POST!

No we will lose it all in 2012 when American BLAMES everything on dems because they can't fix the mess.

[Meldread]

10. Sorry, I did misread your post!

Yes, I agree. The Dems are in deep trouble when they take the reigns of power. Especially considering the fact that we can't figure out what we want to do with that power. The Republicans are basically going to leave a vacuum to be filled by Democrats who have no idea what to do.

Scary thought.

[serryjw]

17. When you pay homage to the

Corpocracy you don't need to figure anything out. The Corpocracy will tell you what to do.

[mod mom]

20. I agree,what * has done has been so catastrophic to the planet and so many

people that to bask in what it has/will do for a party seems shallow. I do not mean to disparaging but I am so sickened by what this one regime has done I can not feel anything but remorse for the country and world. It will take generations (hopefully we can turn back) to clean up his damage. This is horrific for Dems as well as Republicans and every other specie on the planet.

[ldf]

5. however, our illustrious democratic party leaders

have this uncanny ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. they have failed so miserably that they can't wait to continue to do the same things again.

just how stupid are they? (no, please don't answer that...)

:shrug:

[Meldread]

11. Completely true.

Let's face it, if the Democratic Party wins big in 2006 and 2008 it won't be because of great tactics, strategy or message, it will be because the Republican Party imploded and the only alternative was the Democratic Party.

[Oversea Visitor]

6. Does it matter

America is being destroy.

[Meldread]

13. True.

Of course, I suppose it doesn't hurt to look at the silver lining.

The Democratic Party will gain power at the expense of the Republican Party. Of course, that may or may not be a bad thing because if Democrats can't deliver the goods...

[Oversea Visitor]

19. Some how we has to beleive that

Dems will win.
To beleive otherwise is that the values of US has changed to the DARK SIDE

To present this as Silver Lining is such a sense of despair and hoplessness that the US people is feeling.

To think that Americans rather watch their country be destroy and admit to themself that they have been lied too or that being Dem or Repub is more important just insane.

Future of children less important than politics :puke:

[JustFiveMoreMinutes]

12. Actually, could be worse.... (my fears exposed>

Let's see.

Gas prices all time high. Inflation about to explode. Iraq & Iran & North Korea being handled poorly.
Religious fearmongering and politicizing. Education and learning on the wane in the US.

The next president could be left like Jimmy Carter after Nixon/Ford.

And the Murdoch press will pounce an any and all things.

I do believe the PNAC Neo-Cons would sacrifice 2008 - 2012 to solidify/expand their base.

But I could just be pessimistic.

[Meldread]

15. Possible, but doubtful that this is a planned tactic on their part.

They have been planning for this massive take over for over 30 years. Now that they have it, I somehow doubt they would sacrifice it all, especially considering at least some of them are going to go to prison.

However, like you said, all of Bushs failures has opened a wonderful opportunity up to the left, he has mobilized us and brought us together. In fact, I wonder if DU would even exist had Bush not become President?

[primative1]

16. Effect of Rising Interst Rates ... Falling Dollar

You hear a lot of people whining about their adjustable rate mortgages, with rising rates the payment are going through the roof.
Think of the federal government at this point, 7 zillion dollars in debt, Every time the fed notches a quarter it must throw the current account deficit into chaos. Noone is talking but rates on bonds keep spiking. That money has to come from someplace.
Whatever happens, the next few years could be nasty and we have to make sure the bag holders are those who made the mess.

[serryjw]

21. Spoke to one of those today

Military wife that always wanted her own home. Bought it on a variable, going up in 18 months holding on for dear life..The little SOBs wrote that she can't SELL it with out a penalty!

[demo dutch]

14. Good for the democrats, but disastrous for the country

[blm]

18. A Dem president to open the books on Bush would SEAL the fate of the BFEE

We would have had that in 2005.

Too bad we didn't have it in 1993.

Hey, Democrats, the Truth Matters!
By Robert Parry
May 11, 2006

My book, Secrecy & Privilege, opens with a scene in spring 1994 when a guest at a White House social event asks Bill Clinton why his administration didn’t pursue unresolved scandals from the Reagan-Bush era, such as the Iraqgate secret support for Saddam Hussein’s government and clandestine arms shipments to Iran.

Clinton responds to the questions from the guest, documentary filmmaker Stuart Sender, by saying, in effect, that those historical questions had to take a back seat to Clinton’s domestic agenda and his desire for greater bipartisanship with the Republicans.

Snip...

‘Politicized’ CIA

After winning Election 1992, Clinton also rebuffed appeals from members of the U.S. intelligence community to reverse the Reagan-Bush “politicization” of the CIA’s analytical division by rebuilding the ethos of objective analysis even when it goes against a President’s desires.

Snip...

Clinton’s approach also reflected a lack of appreciation for the importance of truth in a democratic Republic. If the American people are expected to do their part in making sure democracy works, they need to be given at least a chance of being an informed electorate.

Yet, Clinton – and now some pro-Iraq War Democrats – view truth as an expendable trade-off when measured against political tactics or government policies. In reality, accurate information about important events is the lifeblood of democracy.

Though sometimes the truth can hurt, Clinton and the Democrats should understand that covering up the truth can hurt even more. As Clinton’s folly with the Reagan-Bush scandals should have taught, the Democrats may hurt themselves worst of all when helping the Republicans cover up the truth.


http://www.consortiumnews.com/2006/051006.html