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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 11:51 AM
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John Kerry Co-Sponsors Feingold Censure Bill
On May 11, John Kerry became the fourth Senator to sign on to the censure bill.

more...


http://progressive.org/mag_wx051306b
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 11:57 AM
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1. Thank you President Kerry.
Now perhaps you and President Gore should call on the citizens of this nation to assemble peacefully in Washington DC to demand the restoration of constitutional government.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 11:58 AM
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2. Why did it take this man MONTHS? What's up with that?
Was he unsure Bush and his administration are criminal? Kerry scares me.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 12:01 PM
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5. Kerry supported censure early on - his signing on now RENEWS the story
and adds clarity to why Feingold and Durbin have been slow-walking the censure process.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 12:03 PM
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7. Kerry scares you? You should be afraid of people like Pelosi
that put impeachment off the table. Kerry has been nothing short of magnificent since the Alito filibuster, a filibuster that Harry Reid found annoying.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 12:04 PM
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10. I know what you mean. Why hasn't Feingold signed the DSM letter
that came out last July. Why is it taking that man so long to sign up to investigate the pre-war intelligence. Feingold is a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee. If 6 of them sign the letter, then the investigation can be put on the schedule.

Feingold scares me.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 12:11 PM
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14. Sheesh, I actually didn't realize that.
I didn't realize Feingold was on the Intelligence committee. That makes it much more IMPORTANT that Feingold sign the DSM letter. And much more significant that he didn't.

Sigh.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 12:20 PM
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17. Actually, I think it's only FIVE senators who need to sign the DSM inquiry
And Kerry had two of them at the time, Corzine and Durbin. Feingold chose to not sign on.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 03:16 PM
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28. Amazing how that somehow is no longer a big deal for some people
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 12:08 PM
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12. Gee, why did it take THAT man MONTHS...oh he still hasn't:
Edited on Sat May-13-06 12:09 PM by MH1
This is a repost, but it sure seems to apply here:

However if we want to talk about "When a real Democrat like --- stands up", how about we talk about the effort to get an investigation of the Downing Street Minutes, which Senator Kerry spearheaded and 9 other Senators joined - but not Feingold.

If we want to talk about "When a real Democrat like --- stands up", how about we talk about the Election Reform bill Senator Clinton introduced, with Senator Kerry, that only 5 other Senators co-sponsored - and Feingold is not among them. (S.450)

If we want to talk about "When a real Democrat like --- stands up", how about we talk about the bill Senator Obama introduced, with Senators Kerry and Reid, to establish an Office of Public Integrity in the Congress and a Congressional Ethics Enforcement Commission; that no other Senators stood with these three - even Feingold didn't stand with them. (S.2259)

If we want to talk about a symbolic gesture that demonstrates what Democrats stand for, how about we talk about the Rosa Parks commemorative stamp, which 25 Dems including Senator Kerry have co-sponsored, but Feingold is notably absent from the sponsorship. (S.2154)

If I use your kind of logic, I might draw some rather unflattering conclusions about Senator Feingold for failing to stand up for these initiatives. BUT I will not do that, because I think your logic is naive and simplistic.


Damn, will Feingold ever stand with Kerry on anything?

:sarcasm:

But seriously...

Even Downing Street Minutes, Election Reform, Ethics...guess these don't matter as much?


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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 12:35 PM
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22. Why would a man who exposed more govt. corruption than ANY other lawmaker
in modern history scare you?

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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 11:41 AM
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38. Where are YOUR Senators on the Censure Bill?...
Hmmm?

NGU.


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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 02:41 PM
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42. I called Kerry's office the week of Feingold's censure speech and...
Edited on Sun May-14-06 02:42 PM by zulchzulu
Kerry's staff said he was firmly behind it.

A few weeks later on Meet The Russert, Kerry said he supported the Feingold censure resolution. This is just another example where he supports it.

No need to fear Kerry. He is consistent and on your side.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 07:40 PM
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45. Better late than never.
I give Kerry props on this, even if he's late to the party.

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 11:59 AM
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3. Time for censure *Phase II* - second round of hearings.
Kerry signing on now renews the call - I'll bet this is where Durbin and Leahy add on, too.

Wondering now if they expected the other NSA shoe to drop and THAT is why Feingold and Durbin were slow-walking the process?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 12:03 PM
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9. Roberts is in control of phase II. It is dead in the water.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 12:13 PM
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15. Nope - this is Phase II of censure for the JUDICIARY Committee Dems.
Roberts is Intel. You mixed up Iraq Intel Phase II with my thoughts about a Phase II for censure hearings.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 12:01 PM
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4. At a minimum, censure is the first step to reign in the executive
and begin the process of restoring Congressional oversight and constituional checks and balances.

Kerry has chosen to stand for the Constitution and the Republic!
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 12:02 PM
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6. Wasn't their collective thought by Dems that they were going to
wait til dimson's poll numbers were really in the toilet before proceeding? Maybe the time is now ripe! It is for me. :applause:
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 12:09 PM
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13. Nah its raining our - powder aint dry yet. nt.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 12:17 PM
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16. Or some of them knew this shoe was going to drop and would use it as an
opportunity to RENEW the call for censure and hold new hearings.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 12:03 PM
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8. nominated
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 12:05 PM
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11. good
:-)
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 12:23 PM
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18. Bravo Senator!!
:toast:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 12:30 PM
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19. Good, but the current resolution doesn't include illegal
Edited on Sat May-13-06 12:30 PM by ProSense
spying on Americans. As Feingold points out, an investigation is needed:

Statement of U.S. Senator Russ Feingold
On the Reported Massive NSA Database of Americans' Phone Calls

May 11, 2006

This Administrations arrogance and abuse of power should concern all Americans. That the government may be secretly collecting, and using data mining to analyze, the phone records of millions of law-abiding Americans, as reported in the press today, is a frightening prospect. I am unaware of this program, and Congress needs to find out exactly what the Administration is doing and whether it is legal. It is time for the Administration to come clean with Congress and the American people. We can effectively fight terrorism and protect privacy, the rule of law, and separation of powers, but only if we have a President who believes in these principles.

http://feingold.senate.gov/~feingold/statements/06/05/2...



The calls should be for investigation and impeachment!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 12:34 PM
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21. Kerry signing on now will renew calls for further investigations. This may
be what he, Durbin and Leahy were waiting for. All 3 supported censure but were adamant about more investigations, so Feingold slow-walking it with Durbin was absolutel the right call. I'd bet Russell Tice gave them a heads up this would come out. Or Randall Beers. We'll soon find out.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 12:39 PM
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23. You're most likely right.
I'm pretty certain that any real investigation of Bush (on any issue from Iraq to spying) will conclude that the broke law (many times over).
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Dunvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 12:33 PM
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20. I applaud Sen. Kerry's joining for censure...whatever the reason.
Edited on Sat May-13-06 12:33 PM by Dunvegan
I do have to note, when John Kerry's diary at DailyKos got a grilling, it was a real "We the People" moment, where the posters kept demanding, in post after post, why Kerry hadn't signed on to Feingold's bill.

And, you see...viola! Kerry signs on.

This takes nothing away from Kerry, who's frying fish at a prodigious pace, but does reinforce what Gore said in his speech regarding protecting the Constitution from the current administration: it ULTIMATELY was up to the authority NAMED in the Constitution: WE THE PEOPLE to defend and retain our power in this federation.

I like it. And, again, thank you John Kerry for listening to your constituents and acting.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 12:41 PM
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24. Kerry had signed on before the Kos "grilling" - I would say you are not
factoring in TIMING. As in - Kerry supported censure early on, but his SIGNING on now RENEWS censure as a story and renews the need and call for further investigations.

Leahy and Durbin supported censure, too, but were also oddly slow-walking the censure process with Feingold. Want to bet they sign on, aswell or use it to get more hearings?

Kerry is one of the most principled lawmakers this nation has ever had. His entire record in governance proves it. Not many can say the same.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 04:46 PM
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44. True - on Kos, Kerry in his responses
mentioned that he had long ago said he was for it publicly. He seemed surprised that people didn't know that and also mentioned that Feingold spoke positively on his Iraq plan. It sounds like there was never a problem between Kerry and Feingold on this issue.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 03:08 PM
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26. What blm said
Feingold had already publicly thanked Kerry for coming out in support of censure. But a bunch of posters at dailykos were unaware of that or didn't care.

There are a lot of possible reasons that a Senator would publicly support a measure but not have their name listed as cosponsor in the Congressional Record. It may be as simple as not getting around to the formality, once the other Senators know you're on board (they do count votes and support on these things). Or maybe there's other reasons. Since I have never walked in those shoes, I really don't know the reason.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 03:15 PM
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27. Also, I was under the impression Feingold wanted it to be bipartisan
I was always under the impression that Feingold didn't want it to end up being the "Feingold-Kennedy-Durbin-Kerry Boxer Act" because honestly, that's like the Senate Liberalapalooza Act. I had been under the impression that he had hoped for more moderate conservatives or centrists to sign on so this didn't end up looking partisan.

Unfortunately, liberal partisans are the only ones who give a shit about the Constitution, I guess.

That said, I have no idea why Kerry cosponsoring the censure versus supporting it was such a fucking big deal. I could name about 10 excellent bills and measures Kerry has sponsored that Feingold declined to add his name to, and if I wanted to, I could go into every Feingold thread and demand to know why Feingold hasn't signed on to the DSM letter, or Kerry's withdrawal from Iraq bill, or his healthcare for children bill. But I won't.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 03:26 PM
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30. Whoa, whoa, whoa...I thought most senate Dems were supporting Kid's First
healthcare bill already. Hard to believe Feingold chose not to - he and Kerry are usually dependable votes on that issue. Maybe he's supporting it but hasn't made a public statement, yet. Or supporting but not co-sponsoring. I really don't see him holding back on that bill.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 03:33 PM
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32. But is he cosponsoring?
Edited on Sat May-13-06 03:33 PM by WildEyedLiberal
That seems to be the real issue here. It certainly wasn't enough for some of the partisans here that Kerry was supporting the censure - oh no, he has to COSPONSOR it, or else they wouldn't be satisfied.

So I'm just holding Feingold to the same standard they held Kerry to, and I will continue to ask them why Feingold has not co-sponsored every single excellent bill Kerry has introduced. Because they have made it patently clear that support isn't enough - one must COSPONSOR a bill to show one's "support."

So I'm just waiting for the same brigade who attacked Kerry for supporting, but not cosponsoring the censure bill to explain to me why it's okay for Feingold to have not signed the DSM letter, not cosponsored Kerry's healthcare bill, and not cosponsored the withdraw from Iraq bill.

Of course, if Feingold HAS cosponsored the bill, I would apologize for the misconception. But I do not think he has, so I'm just waiting for an explanation from all those who felt Kerry's censure support wasn't good enough.
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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 03:52 PM
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33. Sen Feingold has not sponsored Kids First
S.114
Title: A bill to amend titles XIX and XXI of the Social Security Act to ensure that every uninsured child in America has health insurance coverage, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Kerry, John F. (introduced 1/24/2005) Cosponsors (10)
Related Bills: H.R.1668
Latest Major Action: 1/24/2005 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Finance.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
COSPONSORS(10), ALPHABETICAL : (Sort: by date)
Sen Boxer, Barbara - 4/27/2005 Sen Cantwell, Maria - 1/24/2005
Sen Corzine, Jon S. - 1/24/2005 Sen Dayton, Mark - 3/7/2005
Sen Johnson, Tim - 9/14/2005 Sen Kennedy, Edward M. - 1/24/2005
Sen Landrieu, Mary L. - 4/28/2005 Sen Lautenberg, Frank R. - 1/24/2005
Sen Mikulski, Barbara A. - 9/6/2005 Sen Murray, Patty - 1/24/2005



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farmbo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 02:46 PM
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25. Thank you Senator (and I apologize for questioning your ballisiness!)
eom
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 03:22 PM
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29. We are long past censure!!!
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 03:28 PM
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31. Thanks Kerry!
Glad to see you supporting this.

:)
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:09 PM
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34. kick and recommend!
Edited on Sat May-13-06 05:10 PM by politicasista
:kick:
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 09:18 PM
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35. Kerry co-sponsored!!
I will have to take a second look at this action now. I wasn't in favor of this at all,I thought we should hold out and do more than just slap Bush on the wrist. Now, with the NSA data mining issue being added into the mix, I am inclined to support it, especially since Kerry has taken an additional step since agreeing with Feingold and now co-sponsoring it.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 03:26 AM
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36. Good, but hardly timely.
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 11:14 AM
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37. Kerry likes to spend a lot of time deliberating. n/t
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 02:41 PM
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43. An admirable trait for thinking men - but when his crew was under heavy
Edited on Sun May-14-06 02:44 PM by blm
gunfire he acted quickly, courageously, and decisively. All good traits, as well, and at the appropriate time.

I wonder why anyone would not see the ability to deliberate a good thing - Kerry was a prosecutor, after all, and we surely want deliberative people in positions of power, especially with powers that effect our very freedom.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 02:38 PM
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41. WHY? You would prefer censure not be RESURRECTED as an issue to pave the
way for MORE hearings and investigations?

Kerry supported it before, but held off co-sponsoring while pushing the import of investigatory hearings.

People either GET how the senate operates or they don't. - Leahy and Durbin support censure, too, but they are using censure as a tool to get more investigations. Slow-walking censure in this way is what Feingold WANTED, and it is certainly working out better this way.

Imagine if the censure vote happened quickly the way the Repubs wanted, joined by the incomprehensive kneejerkers who demanded Dem senators declare imnmediately how they would vote.

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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 04:03 AM
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47. No, for the most part I agree with you.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 11:58 AM
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39. Kerry signing on as a co-sponsor puts censure back in the news

Kerry adds support to Feingold's censure measure



May 14, 2006 (WASHINGTON) - Wisconsin Senator Russ Feingold's measure to censure President Bush has gained a third supporter.

Massachusetts Senator John Kerry has officially signed on to the bill. He joins fellow Democrats Tom Harkin from Iowa and Barbara Boxer from California as co-sponsors.

It's unclear whether the Judiciary Committee will ever bring up the censure proposal for a vote.

Kerry initially held off on supporting the measure. He said the president should be held accountable but Kerry wanted to make sure a censure was the best way to do it.

Feingold introduced the resolution in March to censure Bush for authorizing domestic eavesdropping and misleading Americans about its legality.

Republican opponents have dismissed the resolution as political grandstanding and say it would only weaken the presidency.

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=local&id=41711...



Here's a snip of his MTP interview on April 9:


MR. GONZALES: The president has the constitutional authority to make the decision as to what, what is in that national interest of the country.

REP. NADLER: For whatever reason he feels like.

MR. GONZALES: He has the authority under the Constitution to make that determination.

REP. NADLER: OK.

(End videotape)

RUSSERT: Do you agree with that legal reasoning?

SEN. KERRY: I think its time for the attorney general to start standing up and protecting the Constitution and the country, and not the politics of this administration. The fact is, on, you knowI mean, on one side, this is the first evidence weve had that the president was actually in the White House loop. On the second side, it is wrong for the president of the United States, who has the right, obviously, to declassify material, to declassify it selectively in order to buttress phony arguments to go to war, and not declassify the counter arguments. And it is wrong for the president to do it in a way that attacks people politically. Thats what this was for. This was not a declassification in order to really educate America. This was a declassification order to mislead America, in order to mislead them about that yellow cake from Nigeria, the uranium material, and in order to buttress their phony argument about the war. And I think its a disgrace. The fact is...

MR. RUSSERT: But its notits not illegal.

SEN. KERRY: Well, the president has the right, obviously, to declassify. Whether he has the right to declassify for these kinds of political purposes, I dont know. Let me read you what his father said. Do you know what his father said? George Herbert Walker Bush said in 1991 at the dedication of the George Bush CIA headquarters, he said, Even though Im a tranquil guy now at this stage of my life, I have nothing but contempt and anger for those who betray the trust by exposing the name of our sources. They are, in my view, the most insidious of traitors.

MR. RUSSERT: But theres no one suggesting...

SEN. KERRY: George Herbert Walkerno.

MR. RUSSERT: ...theres no one suggesting that President Bush revealed the name...

SEN. KERRY: No, absolutely nothing. But one thing led to another, Tim. This administration did reveal the name. We know repeatedly now from the Fitzpatrick documents that not only Scooter Libby but Karl Rove and others told the name to people. They were using the name, and, and ImI just think all Americans are tired of this. We now have evidence in a court in San Francisco that documents show that they were eavesdropping through I think it was AOL, that they were getting into American accounts. So theres now evidence, not just of foreign eavesdropping surveillance, but of domestic eavesdropping surveillance on a blanket basis.

MR. RUSSERT: Senator Russ Feingold, your Democratic colleague from Wisconsin, said the president should be censured for his eavesdropping program because he did not seek authority that Feingold insists is demanded by statute. Would you vote to censure President Bush?

SEN. KERRY: Yes.

MR. RUSSERT: What would be the penalty?

SEN. KERRY: The penalty is the censure itself, is the reprimand by the United State Congress for action that is inappropriate.

MR. RUSSERT: Did he violate the Constitution?

SEN. KERRY: He violated the law, in my judgment.


http://msnbc.msn.com/id/12169680





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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 12:07 PM
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40. thanks Kerry
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 08:18 PM
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46. Kick!
Thank you, President Kerry!
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 07:03 AM
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48. Great news! Our Senators working together, getting things done...
If the rest of the party (pols and voters alike) could follow suit like these fine gentleman, and work together, we'd be unstoppable.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 11:38 AM
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49. Too many are fearful of being called "partisan" or liberals, even though
there is nothing liberal about censure - in fact, censure IS the SOFTEST answer to Bush's crimes, while IMPEACHMENT would be the LEGAL REMEDY of choice.
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