President's test of faith

[isbister]

Is Kerry the best Dem to confront bush in the "religious war"?
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Signs of strong support for John Kerry among Catholic voters could mean big trouble ahead for George Bush, say Albert Scardino and John Scardino

The religious war that is of most concern to George Bush these days has nothing to do with Wahabi, Shia or Sunni Muslims.

It involves Roman Catholics, and particularly those in the five swing states of Missouri, Illinois, Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania. Judging by the enthusiasm that Catholics are showing for Senator John Kerry, Mr Bush may be in greater jeopardy than he ever expected.

Where his father lost the Catholic vote to Bill Clinton by 16 percentage points, Mr Bush won it against Al Gore by three points, according to exit polls on election day 2000. That gave him enough states for Florida to make a difference.

So long as the Democrats were tainted with the sex scandals of the Clinton White House, the Republicans could provide comfort and sustenance in a party led by a Sunday school teacher given to daily prayer breakfasts. It would be tougher to woo Catholics away from an Irish war hero married to a Latin widow born in Africa...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/story/0,13918,1137835,00.html

[nofurylike]

1. o my goddess.

okay, so, a war hero, because shrub isn't one.

a catholic to woo the theists from shrub.

the man shrub and all repugs i hear from (speaking hauntingly same words on this) are saying they LEAST want to run against.


hmmmm. what wisdom in letting repugs pick our candidate again?

in massachusetts we remember Kerry lying that he is Irish because in those days it so improved ones odds of getting elected. he is not Irish. but guess what. it's just like all the other things he's NOT being slammed about, which they are collecting up and holding to slam him good come summer. bet.


peace

[isbister]

2. what wisdom in letting repugs pick our candidate again?

I don't think Dean will be able to come back... sure its possible that his paln might work but...chances seem pretty slim.

I'm Irish, from Massachusetts and don't remember (or care) about Kerry's Irish thing. I'd go even further and say that I'd bet if you asked one hundred people on the street, no more than a handful would have a clue what you're talking about... about the same amount would care.

[nofurylike]

3. how long in mass?

"It would be tougher to woo Catholics away from an Irish war hero married to a Latin widow born in Africa..." (in "sud afrika")

and about the Cape Wind Energy Project?
yielding to special interests to back off "the big dig" that blew us near to bankrupt...still paying through the nose for?

more?

he is my senator. i call his local office with my votes, and they're great. i also call with praise, often. i wrote his campaign asking they do damage control on the list awaiting him, NOW, BEFORE repugs slam him. they aren't doing it.

but no reason you might want to actually get the point made and address it?

no worry, you, that we are letting shrub dictate who we choose to run against him?

good for you. thank you.


peace

[isbister]

6. 40+ years, - 2 in Florida

"NOW, BEFORE repugs slam him" they aren't doing it.

He has done a little and it is very possible there are people working behind the scenes on these things.

You must admit that there is a fine line that must be walked at this time. The campaign cannot go too far in their campaign against bush without falling into the trap of looking like they think they've got things all wrapped up in this contest.

I think the republicans are going to find plenty of things about any candidate the Dems choose. I don't care. It's wise to have a good defense but the fellow in office had better worry about our holding him responsible for his record.

...letting shrub dictate who we choose to run against him?

I don't agree that the republicans are picking our candidate for us. I believe the press tried with Dean but the voters of Iowa and New Hampshire rejected the corporate media's first choice... as will today's voters.

I believe the mindset of this country has led us to pick a well-rounded candidate. Has and will Kerry made mistakes in his career, sure, they all do. All things considered, I believe he can answer the strength of the republicans, provide strength for the Democrats, and answer the questions/concerns of those that lie somewhere inbetween.

[nofurylike]

4. btw, isbister, are you catholic?

something i keep hearing is Kerry folk saying that we should all get behind the nominee.

that he's THE one can beat shrub.

stands to reason that goes for any running: all get behind him, he can win. what's the difference you all expecting us to get behind your candidate ENTIRELY on the presumption that he can beat bush*...

put our differences aside,

and us asking that of you?

wasn't that true of Dean at some points, and some yet to come? did you put differences aside then? will you then?


well, off to work.

i'll check back for reply later.
thanks for talking about it some.


peace

[isbister]

7. was raised that way

I'm not not practicing, the rest of my family are.

stands to reason that goes for any running: all get behind him, he can win. what's the difference you all expecting us to get behind your candidate ENTIRELY on the presumption that he can beat bush

At this early point in the election I would never ask that someone support another candidate solely based upon whether he could beat bush. Is there a time that I would ask that, yes.

The presumption that Kerry can beat bush is only an addition to everything else he brings to the table.

I do not believe there is too much difference between the Democrats, especially when compared to bush. Even Lieberman, who I think has too few differences for my tastes, would make a much better president than bush has.

wasn't that true of Dean at some points, and some yet to come? did you put differences aside then? will you then?

I never bought into Dean for a number of reasons... from what he was selling to how he sold it.

I wouldn't have rallied around Dean a month and a half before a single vote was cast and didn't think it was right for those who were asking... to ask. Premature.

If the time came I could/would sell Dean over bush any day of the week.

[ShaneGR]

5. Hadn't thought about the whole catholic thing

I'm catholic and I know a lot of catholics. I think if our priest got up and defended George W Bush he'd be stoned to death (Cuz we're all without sin compared to W).

So, my guess is the Catholic vote swings heavilly with whoever the Dem is. That whole **** the pope thing kind of hurt W.

[isbister]

8. It might not just be a catholic thing

I'm not an expert on every religion by any means but I would think being a dirty rotten liar is high on the "don't" list of most of them.