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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 03:41 PM
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Simply put--Al Gore will have to scorch some earth to win in 2008.
I know some will say that he should have done that in 2000---even though he did get more than 500,000 more votes than W.

But this time he needs to napalm the Republican party. I mean eviscerate them and make their party radioactive for years to come.

I think he can and I think he will.

Gore 2008.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 03:44 PM
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1. Yup.....n/t
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 03:44 PM
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2. Go Gore!
He's got my vote, my immediate family's, and all of my friends votes too.

Yay Al!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 06:04 PM
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Tiggeroshii Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 06:22 PM
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35. ....
Like when he won the popular vote in 2000 and you needed the repug supreme court to save your little babyy from losing Florida? That kind of humiliating? Or do you mean actually beating him?
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 06:23 PM
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36. Who's "we"? You and the rat up your ass?
Just wondering.

:)

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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 03:45 PM
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3. So is Gore helping candidates for 06 campaign raise funds, etc...?
(I'm sure he is, but just checking) cause that's what he needs to do right now....
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 03:51 PM
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10. Here:
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 04:09 PM
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16. Yes, he is - one example;
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 03:45 PM
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4. They have given him plenty
of ammo, it should be an easy thing to do. Lots of people are willing to hear it now.

Not to say I think this will be easy, it should be but it isn't.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 03:46 PM
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5. i want to see gore kick some ass -- and this isn't just about winning
i want GORE to kick the ass that needs kicking. he's the heavyweight. the prodigal son. the returning champion.
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 03:47 PM
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6. Will he grow a pair if they steal the election again?
Will he stand up and force the issue of election fraud and bring it before the American public so everyone knows it occurred, and will he shout it from the highest rooftops, and make all the other Dems fall in line behind him and scream fraud?

If we support any candidate who WON'T do this, we're fooling ourselves. Our past candidates have caved so admirably.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 03:50 PM
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7. he has and will continue to scorch some earth
and I'm convinced some here at DU will not vote for any Democrat
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 03:50 PM
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8. He's my president...
Edited on Mon Apr-17-06 03:52 PM by marmar
The post-election Gore is the one we were waiting on for so long in 2000. Now that he's no longer tied to Lieberfreak, he can speak his mind.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 03:51 PM
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9. Is he running?
I thought only one guy announced his bid...
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 03:52 PM
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11. He'll have to come clean about his immoral concession to Bush v. Gore. . .
Edited on Mon Apr-17-06 03:56 PM by pat_k
. . .Until he admits his failure to support and defend the Constitution of the United States of America by unequivocally rejecting the Bush v. Gore edict, he won't have my support in the primary -- and I know I am not alone in this.

The same goes for John Kerry and every member of the 107th or 109th Congress who failed to stand up and object to the illegitimate Florida (107th) or Ohio (109th) electors on January 6th.

They are sworn to support and defend our constitutional democracy. We expect members of our armed services to risk life and limb to fulfill their oath. We can expect no less from members of Congress (and if they failed to act for fear of being called "sore losers" they exhibited the epitome of cowardice).
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 04:08 PM
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15. What concession?

It was the US Supreme Court. There was nothing he could (legally) do beyond that. The only recourse left is:

1. member of the House challenges legitimacy of Florida's electoral votes,
2. member of the Senate seconds, and
3. Congress debates/votes on the issue.

And he had no control over any of that.


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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 04:26 PM
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18. December 14, 2000
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worldgonekrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 04:36 PM
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19. Don't be ridiculous
Gore took it all the way to the Supreme Court, with his own fucking running mate turning on him. He did all he could and in the end decided to concede because he didn't want the battle to tear the country apart. In retrospect perhaps he should have been willing to tear it apart, given what Bush has done, but how was he supposed to know about 9/11, the Iraq war, and so forth? I agree that Democrats have often been squeemish at best when it comes to standing up against the Bush Administration, but Al Gore does not belong in that camp.
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 09:39 PM
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41. "Fiat justitia, ruat coelum"
Edited on Mon Apr-17-06 10:08 PM by pat_k
"Let justice be done, though the heavens fall"


All he had to do was tell the truth:
  • that an election is a measure of the will of the people;
  • that the ONLY real stakeholders in an election are the voters and therefore the election is not his to concede;
  • that SCOTUS cannot usurp the role of Congress;
  • that Electors appointed pursuant to an incomplete election cannot be considered legitimate;
  • that it is now up to Congress to judge the legitimacy of the Electoral Votes;
  • that, as they make their judgment, each member of Congress has a duty to ensure that the INTENT of the law is carried out.

The national civics lessons that would have taken place between December 12th and January 6th could have been a definitive moment in which Americans were reminded that it is their collective will that is sovereign.

You ask "How was he supposed to know about 9/11, the Iraq war, and so forth"?

He didn't need to know the specifics. When our elected representatives concede to fascists the consequences are ALWAYS grim. (And today, we don't need a crystal ball to know that their failure fulfill their oath and condemn Bush's claim to unitary authoritarian power by joining with Conyers or Feingold will have grim consequences.)

When our most cherished principles demands action, you must act, come what may.


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The following is the excerpt from Bush v. Gore from which my tagline is pulled:


531 U. S. ____ (2000), Breyer, J., dissenting, Bush v. Gore (from http://supct.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/00-949.ZD3.html - emphasis added)

The legislative history of the Act makes clear its intent to commit the power to resolve such disputes to Congress, rather than the courts:

The two Houses are, by the Constitution, authorized to make the count of electoral votes. They can only count legal votes, and in doing so must determine, from the best evidence to be had, what are legal votes .... The power to determine rests with the two Houses, and there is no other constitutional tribunal. H. Rep. No. 1638, 49th Cong., 1st Sess., 2 (1886) (report submitted by Rep. Caldwell, Select Committee on the Election of President and Vice-President).

The Member of Congress who introduced the Act added:

The power to judge of the legality of the votes is a necessary consequent of the power to count. The existence of this power is of absolute necessity to the preservation of the Government. The interests of all the States in their relations to each other in the Federal Union demand that the ultimate tribunal to decide upon the election of President should be a constituent body, in which the States in their federal relationships and the people in their sovereign capacity should be represented. 18 Cong. Rec. 30 (1886).

Under the Constitution who else could decide? Who is nearer to the State in determining a question of vital importance to the whole union of States than the constituent body upon whom the Constitution has devolved the duty to count the vote? Id., at 31.

The single moral tenet on which the Constitution, and therefore the nation, rests is the principle that government power can only be derived from the consent of the governed.

Gore knew more voters went to the polls in Florida to vote for him than for Bush.

The election thieves didn't even bother to dispute the fact that tens of thousands more Floridians went to the polls intending to vote for Gore, they just cynically misused the courts and invoked legal technicality to ignore legitimate votes and subvert the intent of the law.

It wasn't a landslide, but the truth is that Gore won the election, as opposed to the partial vote count, in Florida. He therefore beat the bushkid by 46 electoral votes (292-246). Which is equal to roughly a dozen so-called "red states." How close does that sound?

When Gore conceded, knowing the truth, he failed to defend the principle of consent.

Members of congress compounded Gore's failure by their dereliction of duty on January 6th. Instead of carrying out their duty, and making the judgment "of absolute necessity to the preservation of the Government," members of Congress (with the exception of the CBC) treated the act of counting as a meaningless ministerial duty.

The Constitution went into breach on January 6th, 2001.

Until the nation acknowledges and comes to terms with the truth we will not be able to mend that breach. If those who failed us "come clean" they can speed the process, but no matter how long it takes, we cannot allow such momentous and devastating failures to be papered over -- if we do, our nation is doomed to repeat them in some form or another.

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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 09:03 PM
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53. There is no appeal from the Supreme Court, said David Boies
and he was certainly right about that. Al Gore stressed throughout the challenge that he was adhering to the "rule of law." Gore also made it clear in that speech that he disagreed with the decision. To have done other than that would have been to invite a prosecution or incarceration for attempting to overthrow a "legitimate" election. The position he took, while not the desirable one we would have wanted to see evolve, was the only position available. He lived to fight another day.

I am absolutely dumbfounded by those who make statements such as the one you just made. What exactly did you expect him to do? Al Gore is above all else a statesman, and he knew an illegal challenge, by illegal, I mean a realistically technically illegal, could result in a civil war. Al Gore weighed the importance of adhering to the rule of law over the consequences of not and made the only choice he could have made.

And when you talk about not defending the Constitution, it does not satisfy the Constitution when one is discussing overturning an election, to have criminal evidence of wrongdoing. One must have evidence that a State did not adhere to its own laws, as defined in its State Constitution, on the day of election day. No such proof was available. It's fine to say one is defending the Constitution, but simultaneously, one must have proof in hand that the spirit and intent of those provisions in the Constitution which govern our elections have been unquestionably violated. As you might recall, Brother Jeb had control of all such "evidence" that Florida breached its State Constitution.

Al Gore is a HERO for fighting the brave fight the way he did and I am, once again, dumbfounded that there are those who continue to attack him for his handling of the situation.
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 06:42 PM
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55. As I posted above, Justice Breyer exposed the "no appeal" propaganda. . .
Edited on Wed Apr-19-06 06:44 PM by pat_k
. . .as dead wrong.

The feloneous five on the Supreme Court violated their oath to uphold the Constitution when they handed down the Bush v. Gore treasonous edict.

In America, it is Congress, not the Supreme Court that is empowered by the Constitution and the Electoral Count act to judge the legitimacy of the electors appointed by each and every state.

Gore need only have told the truth as described above.
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 08:07 PM
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57. Justice Stevens (a Republican) wrote an even more persuasive dissent
stating the whole proceeding was a political maneuver as opposed to a legitimate legal proceeding in which the Supreme Court should never have become involved. That changed nothing.

So what exactly did you expect Gore to do? The Democratic party had quietly set a deadline for him to back out, and the inference was it would no longer publicly support him after that deadline. You must remember NOT ONE of these Senators would sign the petition of the Congressional Black Caucus to contest the Slate of Electors from Florida. So why do you think the entire body of the Senate would live up to its Constitutional responsibility to reject any votes from Slates of Electors, for example, from the State of Florida, which it considered suspect?

This was a win at all costs onslaught by the Republicans, the law be dammed, the Constitution be damned. The only alternative Gore could have pursued had a high probability of this Country erupting into a civil war, and that was a risk Gore could not take.
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 10:21 PM
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59. I have described what duty demanded of Gore
Edited on Wed Apr-19-06 10:42 PM by pat_k
You have again asked what I expected Gore to do.

I have answered.

To be crystal clear, I will do so again:

I expected him to do his duty. I gave an example of one way he could have fulfilled his oath to support and defend -- i.e., simply tell the truth and let the chips fall where they may. ("Fiat justitia, ruat coelum")

The threat of losing support of the Democratic Party does not release him from his duty to uphold the principle of consent -- the SOLE moral principle on which our Constitution was founded.

Fear of being called names does not release him from his duty.

Even if he feared death, it would not release him from his duty.

When the Supreme Court stopped the recount, the election in Florida was incomplete, and therefore unlawful under Florida law.

Gore knew more voters went to the polls in Florida to vote for him than for Bush.

The election thieves didn't even bother to dispute the fact that tens of thousands more Floridians went to the polls intending to vote for Gore, they just cynically misused the courts and invoked legal technicality to ignore legitimate votes and subvert the intent of the law.

The true will of the voters in Florida was known.

Gore won the election, as opposed to the partial vote count, in Florida. He therefore beat the bushkid by 46 electoral votes (292-246). Which is equal to roughly a dozen so-called "red states."

When Gore conceded, knowing the truth, he failed to defend the principle that government power can only be derived from the consent of the governed. There is no more fundamental Constitutional principle than that.

Members of congress compounded Gore's failure by their dereliction of duty on January 6th. Instead of carrying out their duty, and making the judgment "of absolute necessity to the preservation of the Government," members of Congress (with the exception of the CBC) treated the act of counting as a meaningless ministerial duty.

The Constitution went into breach on January 6th, 2001.

Until the nation acknowledges and comes to terms with the truth we will not be able to mend that breach. If those who failed us "come clean" they can speed the process, but no matter how long it takes, we cannot allow such momentous and devastating failures to be papered over -- if we do, our nation is doomed to repeat them in some form or another.

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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 06:42 AM
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64. One of those Senators would have signed with the CBC - Barbara Boxer
But Al Gore asked her not to sign the petition of the Congressional Black Caucus to contest the Slate of Electors from Florida. I don't know of others, but there was at least this one who would have signed. Everyone assumes nobody would have signed and states it as fact, but we don't know that to this day. It wasn't until January 2005 Boxer said Gore had convinced her not to sign and she regretted it ever since.

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Burning Water Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 11:46 AM
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54. I never have
quite understood.

After the Supreme Court made its outrageous decision, what, exactly, is Gore supposed to have done?

I'm a Clark man myself, and think Gore should not be renominated. He had his chance, and blew it. But, I don't like to see the man take false hits, either.
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 06:44 PM
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56. I described what he was obligated to do in the above post. . .
Edited on Wed Apr-19-06 06:47 PM by pat_k
He just had to tell America the truth.

Justice Breyer exposed the "last word" propaganda as the malarky it was.

The feloneous five on the Supreme Court violated their oath to uphold the Constitution when they handed down the Bush v. Gore treasonous edict.

In America, it is Congress, not the Supreme Court that is empowered by the Constitution and the Electoral Count act to judge the legitimacy of the electors appointed by each and every state.

Gore need only have told the truth as described above.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 04:00 PM
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12. The GOP swiftboated him - before swiftboating was a term
It was outright lying - he "claimed to have invented the internet", "let a woman make him into an alpha male", "claimed he discovered Love canal", "pretended to work on a farm when he was young", "denied living in luxury as a child", "claimed that Tipper and he were the inspiration for Love Story", etc., etc., ad nauseam.

It was death by a thousand cuts. He was slowly and methodically painted as a elitist, lying fool.

And it worked - just enough to get the numbers close enough to steal Florida.

So, if AL Gore wants to wreak some damage himself - fine with me. He's earned that right.
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 04:18 PM
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17. Had the greatest debate with my brother on that topic.

Warned him to come prepared in advance. He quoted the media. I provided evidence disputing each and every lie. He accepted the truth for each lie. Then we ended with...

HIM: Al Gore still twists the truth too much.

ME: But I just disproved every supposed lie.

HIM: True, but why would he have such a bad reputation if there weren't something behind it.


That (and perusing the press when I was down in southern Indiana for a visit) is when I finally realized why we can not make any headway in those areas of the country. The exact same pro-Bush/anti-Gore stories I saw in the southern Indiana press, I also saw in Chicago. But the pro-Gore/anti-Bush stories I saw in Chicago were mentioned once (of sometimes not at all) and never again in the southern Indiana press. So they aren't really conservatives. They just don't know the other side exists.

Which is why I am so hopeful for AAR and Dean's Fifty State Strategy. Of course, the rightwing media plan originated in the early 70s. I hope we make faster progress.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 09:51 PM
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42. Seriously, check out The Daily Howler...
http://www.dailyhowler.com /

And look into the archives. Every single smear against Al Gore is documented, dissected and destroyed.
Ass was kicked and names were taken.

A lot of those "journalists" are still working today.

BTW, Dean's strategy has merit. But to achieve the same penetration is going to require long, hard, effort. As Mike Malloy says, you have to start small, go for city council members and work up.

The National Dems are a disgrace. Concentrate on the local and the national can win a few. That's the best that can be hoped for to re-capture the center and ultimately, the legendary "mainstream".
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 02:19 PM
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50. Hmm then what your brother and everyone like him are saying IS...
That it is better for a Republican to lie then it is for a Democrat to tell the truth
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 10:52 PM
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47. I agree with you
The media had it out for him. However if he had been talking more like Dean and less like a DLC-bot he would have inspired people to get his back. As it was most Democrats I've ever met didn't think he was thier type of Democrat. These same people are very impressed with Al Gore liberated from his political consultants.

The thing to be learned from 2000, 2004 is that our nominee MUST be someone that we LOVE, are willing to WORK FOR, and SELL to our common man. We can't have some safe centrist DLC bot who panders to 1-4% undecided "centrist" voters.

We need to a candidate that energizes our base to go out and win over the nonvoters to give a shit and show up.
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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 04:02 PM
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13. ok
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 04:03 PM
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14. The DLC Will Fight Him
Gore has taken some actual positions on some topics - which means the DLC triangulators will fight him tooth and nail. He'll have to start by scorching the DLC - the other Republican party should be easy by comparison, this time around.
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 10:47 PM
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46. Good.
Edited on Mon Apr-17-06 10:47 PM by iconoclastNYC
Because I'd tell every person that they are fighting him.

When I hear people bitch about the Democratic party not standing for anything and Clinton voting for Nafta and gutting the social safety net I educate them about the DLC.

The DLC is evil and I need them to get involved so that we can take the party back from the DLC and that's the message I pitch.
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ColdWarVet Donating Member (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 04:36 PM
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20. I think he doesn't have a chance.
The way he has gone off on rants here and abroad will not play well with mainstream (read:middle) America.

When the commercials come out showing him pulling a Howard Dean (Arggggghhh!) and the questionable remarks made while in the middle east, middle of the road Americans will write him off as an extremist.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 04:37 PM
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21. What questionable remarks? Oh, the TRUTH? Too bad in Bush's world
the TRUTH is questionable.

(BTW, I know what remarks you are referring to, so you need not post them.)
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 04:46 PM
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23. Sir or Miss...no offense, but you have no idea what you are talking about
and you will be the type of person that informed Progressives will be going after. You will spout nonsense but we will clobber the hell out of you with facts and the truth.

So bring it on--- bring it on--- whata ya got on Al? Put it on the table and lets go 12 rounds.
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ColdWarVet Donating Member (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 05:25 PM
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24. Wasn't looking for a fight...
Nor an argument, but I try to think what the AVERAGE politically minded person will think. Hardcore Left and hardcore right will always have their ways, and that's The bottom line. But Joe Six Pack, who makes up his mind on voting in the last 2-3 weeks before an election, is the one that will listen to the rhetoric and vote more on emotion than on fact.

Gore told the largely Saudi audience, many of them educated at U.S. universities, that Arabs in the United States had been "indiscriminately rounded up, often on minor charges of overstaying a visa or not having a green card in proper order, and held in conditions that were just unforgivable."

"Unfortunately there have been terrible abuses and it's wrong," Gore said. "I do want you to know that it does not represent the desires or wishes or feelings of the majority of the citizens of my country."

Good old Joe is going to hear that, and other sound bites, and think "Why do I want to vote for a guy who is apologizing for what we did after 911? Over stayed visas, improper green card? We shoulda shipped their asses home!"

Joe Six Pack votes. And he votes with his gut and his heart and his patriotism. Discounting him and his opinion will cost an election.

And Joe don't like to see his politicians beating on the podium, screaming insults.

Neither a fight nor an argument, just one MISTERs opinion.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 05:32 PM
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27. IMO, the guy you're describing there is a Republican. And they'll never
vote for a Democrat.

Of course, we could try to act like Republican light that's worked so well for us the past few years, hasn't it?
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 05:33 PM
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28. Average Joe needs to look up "patriotism" in a dictionary.
Going with the flow in support of an immoral president and administration is the EXACT OPPOSITE of patriotism and, in fact, treason.

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ColdWarVet Donating Member (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 05:42 PM
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30. Is the military full of average Joes?
And that is the attitude I speak of. Total discretization of an entire voting block. Any idea how many people start of an opinion with "Well, I'm a Democrat/Republican, BUT..."? Could have made quite a difference in Florida and Ohio...........
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 05:45 PM
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31. not all military is Republican
and in case you aren't paying attention, the military is revolting against this administration's dumbass military policies.

No, sir, you won't find much support with the attitude that somehow Al Gore is perceived as antiAmerican. In fact, quite the opposite. He is a genuine patriot for standing up in the face of this corrupt administration. And apparently 2/3 of the American public agrees.
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Teresa4ChrisCarney Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 05:39 PM
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29. he is right
we have been rounding up arabs and holding them for no good reason and there have been abuses at gitmo.
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 06:17 PM
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34. Are you Joe six pack? or are you just representing them.
Cause I got a message for them. They're fucking Morons.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:46 PM
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39. Even middle America is waking up to the deception hoisted upon them
by the Bush maladministration, and his enabling MSM sock puppets. Little by little the truth is seeping out to them and with each revelation, Al Gore's leadership, vision, moral integrity and dedication to the American People and the planet for that matter is magnified to Paul Bunyan status just as Bush and the neocons shrink to the size of a pimple on Paramecium's ass. I suspect with his upcoming movie "An Inconvenient Truth" coming out, the internet growing stronger by the day, the MSM's credibility in shambles, not to mention the experience of 2000, it will be much more difficult for them to slander Al and deceive the American People.
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 01:02 AM
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48. I don't think he can win the nomination
if Hillary is in the race.

I think it's too easy for Bill to blow him out of the water and he would do it with an aw-shucks grin.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 10:00 PM
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58. But Bill isn't running. Even he can't take the stink off of Hillary. NT
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 11:40 PM
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61. most Americans?
or just idiotic Americans who fall for bullshit?
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worldgonekrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 04:41 PM
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22. I hope you are right
My first thought is that the GOP and the media will smear him mercilessly as a has-been desperately trying to regain some semblance of respect in the public eye, or something along those lines.

But when I think about it, the political climate in 2008 might be just about perfect for him. By that time this country will be absolutely sick of Bush (you could argue that this is already the case) and perhaps quite willing to accept that they (or the Supreme Court) made a mistake back in 2000. I suppose you could make the same argument for Kerry and '04 as well.
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greenbriar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 05:27 PM
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25. GORE/KERRY 2008 ~POETIC JUSTICE
GORE/KERRY 2008 POETIC JUSTICE
BECAUSE WE THE US DESERVE IT
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 05:30 PM
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26. I think it would be tough for any GOP candidate to defeat Mr. Gore.
Make that "President Gore."
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 06:02 PM
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32. He just needs to stand up for core Democratic values this time.
I ended up voting for Nader because I was so disappointed in Gore talking about half-assed measures and not the issues I care about. He also needs to reverse his support for NAFTA and the WTO.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:01 PM
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37. When you read or hear his most recent speeches, your intuition
tells you that he is THE one. Hook him up with any one of several outstanding Democrats and you have a ticket, not only that would win, but, would be capable of leading America out of this nightmare we are now in.
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DELUSIONAL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:19 PM
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38. O.K. I love Al Gore -- but he had better choose someone other
than Joe Lieberman.

Bush kissed Lieberman -- icky yuck --- projectile vomit.
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Doremus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 10:32 PM
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60. How about this: Gore/Feingold '08
That would be my dream ticket. Tough-talkin', take-no-prisoners. Ambush the Swifties before they even get in the boats.

Fresh, frank, honest discourse about the mess we're in and the way out.

For THAT ticket, I'd work my tush off for 2 full years and donate every spare cent I own and twist arms for more.

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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 08:37 PM
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40. I agree with you
:toast:
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 10:18 PM
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43. You don't mean scorch some earth
That's what you do while you're retreating, to hamper the advancing enemy.

You mean he'll have to go nookyular.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 10:38 PM
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44. Still a JK woman, but I hope Gore goes out for it. It's not like he's not
qualified. Or not awesome. And Americans love a comeback. Or in the case of presidents-elect Gore and Kerry, a perceived comeback.

This could get interesting.
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 10:40 PM
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45. Yup
Edited on Mon Apr-17-06 10:45 PM by iconoclastNYC
I hope he talks about the 2000 race....and runs a campaign that really touches the people.

We need a politician to "go off the reservation"....seriously piss off the media early....don't pay them any attention. Take the messaged directly to the people. Build the largest grassroots campaign on the face of the planet.

The Dean movement shows what is possible if politicians throw out thier Poli sci books and pick up a book on Psycology. The majority of this population want a politician that speaks the aweful truth and inspires hope that it can be fixed.

Gore needs to run against the media, two-party political system, the NEOCON/National Security State/"Globalists"..... by doing so he'll reach across partisan lines and pick up disaffected right-wingers who see the Bush cabal as the antithesis of Republican values.

He must declare the dawn of a new progressive age..... go massive, sweep it all up, related or not. This government is ripe for massive reform that unwinds the damage that was inflicted when we Pandora's box with the National Security Act.
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guidod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 01:27 AM
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49. This is how voting rules are changing in some states,
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 04:41 PM
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51. Al Gore is against scorching the Earth,
he is too busy trying to save it. However he will kick ass, become our next and greatest President. We will eventually have the problem of finding room on Mt. Rushmore for his face. :)
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 04:48 PM
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52. cool
Where do I sign up?
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anchor of hope Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 01:08 AM
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62. How Viable is Gore?
Fair or unfair, Al Gore's reputation never recovered from the 2000 post-election debacle. Nor could he get any Democtatic members of Congress to trek down to Florida to help him out, except for the Congressional Black Caucus.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 01:39 AM
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63. He's likely to run as an Independent in 08
If he doesn't, Feingold will. Both of them are poised to pull out the "third party" majority that plagues both the Dem and Repub parties.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 08:03 AM
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65. I don't think either will run as anything other than a Democrat
and either of them would be a great candidate. My heart has long been with Gore though.

A Gore/Feingold ticket would kick some serious ass.
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wizdum Donating Member (531 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 08:05 AM
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66. Wow, this should be good. I'll ready the popcorn. n/t
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