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[goobergunch]

1. Other

I'm 16 and I can't vote in the election.

And I would note that in most states there are more than 2 candidates standing for the Presidential election.

[kentuck]

19. goobergunch ! I never would have guessed...

You are so politically savvy, I would have guessed you were much older...:)

[goobergunch]

25. Thanks muchly!

:hi:

[Cuban_Liberal]

2. I'll vote for him IF he's the nominee.

Until then I will work my fingers to the bone to deny him that nomination.

[kaitykaity]

7. Yeah, what you said.

Because I think Bush will slaughter him.

[JohnLocke]

9. No Pun Intended?

"work my fingers to the bone..."

Skull and Bones? Eh...I tried.

[kentuck]

3. Absolut -ly !

I can't believe people are saying "no"???

[MercutioATC]

4. If it comes to that, he's got my reluctant vote.

I think that Kerry's the epitome of what;s wrong with this party. He is, however, better than Bush. He has my vote if he's the nominee.

[D G]

5. LOL - a vote for #3 is a vote for #2

#3 is the rhetoric; #2 is the reality

(That is if you are a Democrat - if you're an Independent or other, no party allegiance is required, I would think)

[ixion]

6. just about anyone is better than bush

but frankly, I'm not blown away by Kerry.

[Forkboy]

8. Jeez,wasn't the last Kerry poll enough punishment?

After the results of this one come in I'm sure it'll be discarded as the work of Freepers and Greens like the last one was.

[kayob1]

10. If you can explain this to me

My daughter-in-law was in the Army in 2002, stationed at Fort Riley, Kansas. She told me her whole unit and half of Fort Riley had been replaced by reserves in September 2002; they had all been sent to Kuwait.

Wasn't the IWR vote in October? Isn't that correct?

I guess you could say they sent them all to Kuwait "just in case" but she is a paralegal - why would they send a whole unit of lawyers to Kuwait "just in case?" Maybe they were planning on suing Saddam?

That's the main reason I don't buy the "I was misled" stuff. Fort Riley is huge. It just doesn't seem reasonable to me (having been in the military 10 years myself - and during the Iran hostage thing - and having only see 1 reservist during that time) that they would send half the frickin' base to Kuwait if there was any question at all about invading Iraq.

Maybe you could clear that up for me. I'm probably just slow. Thanks in advance for your assistance.

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[kayob1]

23. Well

It seems pretty clear to me that if they had half of Fort Riley in Kuwait the decision to invade Irag had already been made in September, vote or no vote. I mean, lawyers, for god's sake.

Kerry claims he was misled - is that it? So I guess that means he didn't know they had all those troops there already? In September?? Is that what the deal is??

[KC21304]

37. I think most people who were paying attention

knew we were putting troops in Kuwait and elsewhere in the region. I guess that was part of the threat to Saddam. I don't see that has anything to do with Bush not letting inspectors do their job, or not waiting to get more coalition forces involved.

[kayob1]

42. Yes, I understand that

except my d-i-l is a paralegal, not Special Forces, not infantry, not transportation, etc. You're saying they sent an entire unit of lawyers and paralegals to threaten Saddam? What, threaten to sue him?

It just doesn't make sense that they would send a whole unit of lawyers to Kuwait in September if the intent was ONLY to threaten.

It does make sense, however, if they already knew in September that they were going to invade Iraq, inspectors or no, vote or no. And Kerry didn't know this?

It really bugs me.

Thank you for helping me out with this (thought I'd try and be polite).

[KC21304]

48. Your post seemed to imply that Kerry is either not telling the truth or

he is dumb for not knowing that Bush planned to invade, because there were lawyers in Kuwait. My point was that of course everyone knew there were troops and whatever else goes with them in Kuwait, to show Saddam we meant business. That didn't mean they would necessarily be used. You can't threaten if you do not have the force in place to back it up. Bush said he would let the inspectors do their job, and also form a coalition through the UN. He did neither of these.

I did not mean to be impolite. We are all here to learn.

[kayob1]

58. Thank you for helping me out with this

It's not the fact that they sent support personnel or even troops at all that bugs me - I was in the military for 10 years, I know the drill.

It bugs me that they sent her - entire unit - save for my d-i-l and her boss. It seems a little excessive merely for a show of force.

You know, they have plans where they can have people anywhere in the world in 24 hours - I had a bag packed for 9 years.

I mean supposedly they didn't know they were going to invade Iraq, right? So to drag a bunch of civilian lawyers off the street to replace an entire unit for deployment overseas just for a show of force seems to me - well, unbelievable. It's not like they were going to be in the front lines or anything. Would half the unit done just as well?

That's probably not very clear, so thank you for your understanding.

[mrdmk]

60. I am with you 100%

:wtf:

[stepnw1f]

16. I'm soory to hear

that your daughter-in-law was sent there. But if Bush is elected again, we will all see the draft being reinstated. Then we may see millions of others being sent to the mid-east. I hope your daughter-in-law comes home safe. God's speed.

[kayob1]

28. Thank you for your kind thoughts

No, she didn't get sent there - Thank god - but she did spend quite a bit of time griping about all the reservists she had to train because the rest of her unit had been sent over to Kuwait during the fall of 2002.

My other son (not married to her) is in the Army right now, though, and I worry about him.

[Straight Shooter]

11. Same old song, different singer, a little more in tune

*yawn*

[Casablanca]

12. I'll vote for him knowing his nomination will likely mean a 2nd Bush term.

It'll still be good as a protest vote.

I'll still back Dean's nomination over Kerry's.

[Paulie]

13. A gently stewed rhubarb stalk is better than B*

This poll is meaningless, except as another freaking loyalty oath. :mad:

[waldenx]

14. my cat is better than Bush

it still doesn't qualify him to be President.

[David Zephyr]

17. Comparing Oranges with Nectarines

If we set aside their mutual public support for War in Iraq, the Patriot Act, the Homeland Defense Act and the No Child Left Behind Act, then absolutely, John Kerry is "MUCH" better than Bush. No doubt about it.

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[Forkboy]

22. Hopefully the answer is Both

[David Zephyr]

26. Since I Support Dean, I Like Your "Anger" Comment.

Nah, I really don't care about the illegal war in Iraq that has maimed and killed innocent children so Halliburton could get no-bid contracts. Nah, I just come here for anger and cheap therapy.

Nah, I really don't care about the emasculating of the constitution of the United States with this vile and despicable piece of legislation called the Patriot Act, of all things.

Nothing to do with principle, at all. Just "anger".

Why should any Democrat care about those things? Silly, right?

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[ibegurpard]

68. Not silly at all

I expect it from Republicans. From Democrats it's a betrayal.

[IndianaGreen]

69. Kerry is like Bush in that he doesn't take responsibility for his actions

The 2004 contest may well be between two damaged individuals that are in need of therapy and should not be trusted with the reigns of power.

[lancdem]

18. How can anyone say Kerry's the same as Bush?

Would Kerry appoint RW justices? Would Kerry pass tax cuts that would bankrupt the country? Would Kerry gut the environment? And that's just for starters. He has a more liberal voting record than Ted Kennedy! Helloooo!

[stepnw1f]

21. Thank you lancdem

[KoKo]

24. I'm not convinced that Kerry isn't a Repug "Caretaker." n/t

[DemBones DemBones]

31. Do you think Clinton was a Repub "Caretaker"? n/t

[KoKo]

45. No, I don't. For all his flaws.......he wasn't a "caretaker." n/t

[Jerseycoa]

27. Kerry is MUCH better than Bush nt

[Carolina]

29. Bush is lower than

snake shit that's why all of us are ABB with individual preferences. Therefore agreeing that Kerry is better than Bush really isn't saying much. We want someone who can BEAT Bush.

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[ChiefJoseph]

33. I just can't take that position seriously.

On everything from civil and reproductive rights to the environment and foreign policy, Kerry is a solid Democrat. I just don't see how you could say that Kerry is no better than Bush.

[fameless]

35. I couldn't agree more

It is absurd to say that Bush = Kerry or vice versa, it is completely rediculous.

[corporatewhore]

36. cant be for the environment and for free trade

water privatization to deregulation to section 11 under which corps can sue states if it hinders the ability of turning a profit like banning a certain chemical

[KFC]

38. Sure. Just like Gore.

I sure can't tell the difference.

[Democat]

57. Where have I heard that before? I remember, Ralph Nader

He was wrong. You are wrong.

[Myra]

32. Can we agree that some posts are so manipulative they're not worth

responding to?

Can we agree that condescending to people and framing choices
in such a facile, either/or, fashion is insulting and may well
alienate the very people you're trying to reach on behalf of your
candidate?

Almost anyone would be MUCH better than Bush.

Can we agree that we don't need a separate thread for each candidate,
demanding to know if they're MUCH better than Bush?

[FloridaPat]

34. The Donkey could do a better job than Bush. And most of

Congress! Probably could never meet the age requirement though.

[0rganism]

39. ANY Democrat, and many republicans, are preferable to bush

Hell, I'd give Lyndon Fucking Larouche a chance, if he were the nominee. If the Democrats had no choice but to nominate John McCain or Zell Miller, I'd vote for them. If the nominee were a domesticated Southern Flying Squirrel, I'd vote for it happily and with complete confidence.

<-- preferable to george w. bush

There are inanimate objects that could do a better job than Dubya, and I'm pretty sure any of the Democratic nominees could beat an inanimate object in a fair debate.

<-- better bush

John Kerry isn't even in the same political galaxy as bush, they are separated by vast gulfs of policy and constituency differences.

<-- I'll gladly vote for this guy if nominated

[DemBones DemBones]

40. Pete, I think the Dean supporters need more

time to recover from their candidate's sudden reversal of fortune before they
can accept the idea of voting for someone else.

The last couple of weeks have been exciting for Kerry supporters but unpleasant for Dean supporters.


Besides, the real question to be answered is:

Will everyone back Kucinich as the Dem nominee?

[loyalsister]

41. ABB

Of course if he's the nominee, but the thought depresses me. He won't get a dime, and my campaign efforts will go exclusively to local people.

[Ramsey]

44. I'm not clear on the point of this poll

It seems designed to insult and condescend to anyone who is not already a Kerry supporter (as first choice that is). The poll choices are rather ludicrous.

Is that the point? If not, pray tell, what is?

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[KoKo]

50. There's rationality behind the fury. Your constant posting to Dean

supporters doesn't help, the issue. I don't know why you think it's so important to convince those of us on DU that Kerry is the best Candidate.

And, you keep going at those of us who protested against the Iraq Invasion and have been totally against the "whore media." You keep pushing Kerry to the Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party (meaning the Left Wing) and I just finally got so annoyed I had to post on this thread. Dean and Kucinich stood up for us! The ONLY ONES.

What happened to all that charity and sympathy you had last week for Dean supporters who were upset with the NH vote and Trippi's resignation? It didn't take long before you were here pushing Kerry again. I don't go around pushing Dean in anyone's face, but after awhile one starts to feel attacked......

Kerry will get my vote if he is the last candidate standing. But, I will immediately keep trying to reform our Democratic Party because he sure isn't going to do it....

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[KoKo]

56. Because you have always been extremely Partisan about Kerry. You are

working to get him elected in NYC. But, when you go around in Dean supporters faces trying to convince them it's what I said. Why would you want to do that here on DU? I don't try to convince you to change to Dean or Kucinich.

I just got tired of seeing your posts that were "in your face."

Hey, Pete, I don't think I've every posted on any of your posts here on DU ever.....and I've been here as long as you have. So, it had to get to a point that it became annoying for me to reply. I don't make a point to post to other folks here on DU unless I have something I need to say. :-)'s to you.

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[Myra]

51. To be precise, the point seems to be insult, condescend, & manipulate

I take it you didn't fall for it?
Neither did I.
In fact I resent it.

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[Myra]

66. I had already elaborated in post #32. It's easy to ignore posts, eh?

So go back and read it.

Furthermore, your strategic post provides enough material for an
entire college course on logical fallacies:

-Is Kerry better than Bush? (Duh, almost anyone is.)
-If so, then you must vote for Kerry.

My, what a stunning leap of illogic.

The logical flaw is that Kerry is not the only candidate to choose from.
The fact is, there are many Democratic candidates better than Bush.
So the supporters of every candidate could post a message similar
to yours, if they assumed that other DUers were simple minded and
easily manipulated.

Here is the question I initially asked myself:

-Is Clark better than the other candidates?
-Yes.
-Is Clark better than a senator who voted to attack Iraq,
to sacrifice the lives of hundreds of soldiers and thousands of
Iraqis for his own political gain, to flush the Bill of
Rights down the crapper by voting for the Patriot act?
-Hell yes.
-And that's the answer to the "why not" part of your question.

Now the open question is why the heck would anyone support Kerry
in spite of his crimes against humanity, in spite of his contempt
for our civil rights, in spite of his inability to sufficiently explain either.

Care to address that open question?

[vision]

46. Other

I will vote for Kerry if he is the nominee but I don't know if he is MUCH better than Bush. How much is MUCH? I would think it is more than Much and much but how much more :)

At this point voting for Kerry is voting for somebody with my nose pinched shut I may change my mind later. But right now I don't really trust him. I am not excited about him and doubt that he can win the general election. At least that is how I feel right now.

[incapsulated]

49. I'm starting to feel...

That I would like to ban polls of any kind for the rest of the primary season.

[oasis]

54. I want Kerry picking the next three Supreme Court justices, not Bush.

[salinen]

55. Janet's boob

could do a better job than chimp.

[clarknyc]

59. Good band name.

[mrdmk]

62. The lesser of two evils

Kerry voted for all of the following: War in Iraq, the Patriot Act, the Homeland Defense Act and the No Child Left Behind Act. Now he regrets it to a certain degree. Once is a mistake, twice is my fault, three times is… The truth is I will be holding my nose if Kerry is anything but Bush! There needs to be leadership to stop the right wing movement, is Kerry capable of this leadership? Probably! Is Kerry willing to take on the right wing? That is a very good question!

[cyclezealot]

63. Don't add the adjective Much

Take away the word much, and I might be in agreement.
Kerry quoted when the Patriot act came out, it was 'landmark legislation.' Blame it on lazy staff..I expect better research and the correct votes...

[maxr4clark]

64. I want Clark to be nominated.

I'd vote for Bob Dole, even, to get Bush out of office. Kerry is far better than Bob Dole. Edwards, in my opinion, would be a totally ineffective president, but I'd rather have Edwards than Bush.

No worries on my account, I'll support the nominee. But I really, really want it to be Clark, because I think he will make such a great President--especially these next four years.

[LiberalBushFan]

65. Other - and I think many Democrats will act similarly

I will try to go out and vote, but there will little to prevent me from accidently oversleeping or not paying attention well enough to get to the booth. But I'll have the intention of voting for Kerry.

[AnnitaR]

67. I'll vote for him, but it won't be with hope in my heart.

If Clark doesn't win the nom, I'm afraid my heart will have no hope left for this country.

With Kerry we will get politics as usual.