I will not support Kerry at any time until he has received 2162 delegates.

[goobergunch]

I'm tired of hearing that we have to support Kerry already. Let's look at some hard numbers.

Democratic Delegate Count (Goobergunch Political Report)

44th Democratic National Convention
Total Delegates: 4322 (3520 pledged, 802 unpledged)
Needed to Nominate: 2162
          Clark  Dean  Edwards  Kerry  Kucinich  Lieberman  Sharpton  Uncommitted
IA                 7      18      20
NH                 9              13
Others                                                                    3453
Superdels.  25    70      12      73       2         18         2          625
Total       25    86      30     106       2         18         2         4078

Kerry needs, by my count, 2056 more delegates to be the nominee - so please do not ask me to support him at this time.

[MercutioATC]

1. Thanks! That needed to be said! I'm sick of the naysayers,Dean can win.

IF he doesn't, the candidate gets my vote, but I'm still 100% behind Dean.

[Duncan Grant]

2. Those "join the bandwagon" threads are asinine!

Thanks for reminding us that this is a primary. I needed this! :*

[kaitykaity]

3. Thank you.

When that day comes, I'll pull the lever for JK. Until then, I am vehemently opposed to him.

[creativelcro]

4. Is that right ? The CNN site has different numbers...

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/primaries/pages/scorecard/index.html

[goobergunch]

7. Those are my numbers

I use a different methodology than CNN, mainly because I can't call the superdelegates up myself and ask them who they'll vote for - I have to rely on endorsement.

However, if you use the CNN/AP numbers, Kerry needs 2068 more delegates - even more than with my numbers. So the point stands.

[creativelcro]

10. Absolutely... What I meant is that the CNN numbers

support your point EVEN MORE...

[Straight Shooter]

5. Goobergunch, voice of reason in the howling winds of nonsense

We hear you, loud and clear.

:)

[arcos]

6. way to go! n/t

[cindyw]

8. Your numbers are wrong. Kerry has 90 superdelegates.

Just letting you know. Check the Kerry site on the endorsements page.

[goobergunch]

11. My numbers are accurate.

I have a complete list of the superdelegates if you are interested.

[cindyw]

15. Count them.

Super Delegates

Members of US Senate

Senator Ted Kennedy (MA)
Senator Daniel Inouye (HI)
Senator Ernest Hollings (SC)
Senator Dianne Feinstein (CA)
Senator Maria Cantwell (WA)
Senator Jon Corzine (NJ)

Members of US House
Congressman Edward Markey (MA)
Congressman Norman Dicks (WA)
Congressman Barney Frank (MA)
Congressman Sander Levin (MI)
Congresswoman Louise Slaughter (NY)
Congressman Richard Neal (MA)
Congressman John Olver (MA)
Congressman Ed Pastor (AZ)
Congressman James Clyburn (SC)
Congresswoman Carolyn Maloney (NY)
Congressman Marty Meehan (MA)
Congressman Patrick Kennedy (RI)
Congressman Earl Blumenauer (OR)
Congresswoman Juanita Millender-McDonald (CA)
Congresswoman Donna Christensen (USVI)
Congresswoman Diana DeGette (CO)
Congressman William Delahunt (MA)
Congressman Harold Ford, Jr. (TN)
Congressman Rubén Hinojosa (TX)
Congresswoman Carolyn McCarthy (NY)
Congressman James McGovern (MA)
Congressman Bill Pascrell (NJ)
Congressman Brad Sherman (CA)
Congressman Adam Smith (WA)
Congressman John Tierney (MA)
Congresswoman Lois Capps (CA)
Congressman Gregory Meeks (NY)
Congressman Michael Capuano (MA)
Congressman Baron Hill (IN)
Congressman Mark Udall (CO)
Congressman Rick Larsen (WA)
Congressman Stephen Lynch (MA)
Congressman Tim Bishop (NY)
Congressman Kendrick Meek (FL)
Congresswoman Linda Sanchez (CA)

Governors
Tom Vilsack (IA)
Gary Locke (WA)
Jennifer Granholm (MI)

Distinguished Party Leaders
Walter Mondale (MN)
David Wilhelm (IL)

DNC Members
Virginia Allan (MA)
Jon Ausman (FL)
George Bagby (WY)
Morton Bahr (DC)
Lu Battaglieri (MI)
Moretta Bosley (KY)
Sharon Carpenter (MO)
Jean Lemire Dahlman (MT)
Bert DiClemente (DE)
Blanche Darley (TX)
Joel Ferguson (MI)
Donald Fowler (SC)
Mike Gireau (WY)
Enid Goubeaux (OH)
Waring Howe (SC)
Philip Johnston (MA)
Jerrauld Jones (VA)
Raymond Jordan (MA)
William Keating (MA)
Greg Knutson (MN)
Debra Kozikowski (MA)
Weldon Latham (MD)
Daniel LeBlanc (VA)
Edgar Malepeai (ID)
Mary Alice Mandarich (CO)
Sophie Masloff (PA)
Jennifer McClellan (VA)
Dennis Mehiel (NY)
Minyon Moore (DC)
Gloria Nieto (NM)
Ken Opin (WI)
William Owen (TN)
Johnnie Patton (MS)
Redding Pitt (AL)
Bernice Scott (SC)
Alan Solomont (MA)
Jackie Stevenson (MN)
Susan Swecker (VA)
Antonio Villaraigosa (CA)
Mark Weiner (RI)
William Wheeler, Jr. (MS)
Nancy Jane Woodside (UT)
Margaret Xifaras (MA)
Robert Zimmerman (NY)

[Lexingtonian]

19. thread tie!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=255361

"According to the AP survey, Kerry had 115 delegates, including endorsements or pledges of support from 82 superdelegates, and 33 pledged delegates allocated to him from his wins in Iowa and New Hampshire.

"Kerry has picked up a dozen superdelegate endorsements since Friday, and could widen his delegate lead on Tuesday, when seven states with a total of 269 pledged delegates up for grabs hold primaries or caucuses."

[cindyw]

20. It has gone up even since then. He is at 90.

[goobergunch]

21. I now give Kerry 112 total delegates, updating for WA endorsements

So it looks like my count and theirs are similar after all.

[cindyw]

26. Yes, I am.

[cindyw]

9. What if everyone drops before he gets that many?

Honest question.

[goobergunch]

12. I still cannot support Kerry until he gets that many

Unless he earns it - and so far, he hasn't.

[DebJ]

13. wont happen

[DebJ]

14. finally saw MSNBC post this, and Dean himself finally said it. Needs to

keep saying it, and saying it, and saying it.

[Lexingtonian]

16. you're a little confused

Iowa and New Hampshire meaningfully constitute about 30% to 50% of the primary process.

No one's asked you to hop on a bandwagon, just to keep an open mind that it may well happen that Kerry is the nominee. A lot of peoples' Inner Republican and internalized classism is coming to the fore in dealing with that, and it's not fun to watch.

[goobergunch]

18. I'm not talking about meaningful effect

I would agree that Iowa and New Hampshire are more important than their delegate counts would show. However, I've seen a lot of posts recently arguing that we should support Kerry now, and there is no reason to do so at this time IMHO.

[Lexingtonian]

23. Ok

Not that I've seen 'a lot' of posts or threads urging that. Rather more cut-off-the-nose-to-spite-the-face kind of stuff urging the opposite on (supposed) principles not stated overtly enough to argue with properly.

[Duncan Grant]

17. kick

:kick:

[OutlawCorporatePolls]

22. the horses have just left the gates..

..its gonna be a long race. kerry has just over 4 percent of the delegates he needs. lol.

[ramapo]

24. Good

As long as the eventual nominee gets our support. It's fine to stay with your candidate. I object to the many threads popping up threatening to go 3rd-party or whatever because Kerry is either not good enough or can't win because he's too good (liberal).

[kentuck]

25. And there will be over 1100 delegates up for grabs on Super Tuesday

is that March 2nd? Don't be surprised if it goes on for one month from today...