My mom was at the dinner where Joe Lieberman got booed.

[terip64]

Let me say up front that she doesn't hate Lieberman. She is not always happy with him but she doesn't hate him. She listens to AAR and reads all my crazy emails and understands our issues with Joe Lieberman.

However, I grew up in West Haven (I'm in MI now) about 5 miles from Westville which is where Joe Lieberman lived. My dad was very involved in politics and adored Joe Lieberman. They were friends when Lieberman just started out and Lieberman has always been seen as a working man's friend. My dad was a mediator for the labor Dept and so he had a lot of respect for Lieberman. My dad died in June of 2001 and so I have no idea what he would think of this mess. Before he died he told me he was worried about the White House being controlled by republicans. He was VERY pro America and I can't imagine him saying anything bad about this country no matter what. Honest to God, on his deathbed he would wake up and tell us all that he loved us and then say, "What a wonderful country we live in, this is a wonderful country!" He said it so much we decided to put it on his tombstone, right next to St. Anthony and the NY Giants logo. (The Giants logo we had to fight for because it is a Catholic cemetary.) I tell you this for what it is worth in understanding my mother. My mother thought what my father thought until he died. Sometimes I think she is still trying to figure out what she thinks on her own. It has been interesting. Anyway,



Having said that this is her take on what happened last night...

She said that there were about 1700 people there and that there were about 100 people there supporting Lamont.

When Lieberman got up to speak people booed and hissed. My mother said that she heard it but Lieberman went on speaking and it didn't interrupt him. She said that he gave a good speech and that people were engaged. This part, I think is most important, and that is that many people at her table and that she spoke to after about it felt that it was in very poor taste. These are seasoned politicians and my mother's words were that Joe Lieberman is a gentleman and the people who booed and hissed appeared ignorant. You don't do that at this kind of thing, she said. She also said about ten times that Lamont is from Greenwich. Lieberman is from New Haven. We're from New Haven essentially and Lamont mine as well be from NYC in the eyes of many people. He is from 'way over there' as my mother put it. He's a millionaire, you know, she told me a few times.

She also said that when Obama got up he defended Lieberman and spoke about his environmental record and how he was always there for the working class people in CT.


I could be wrong but I don't think Lamont can beat Lieberman. Another friend of mine from the New Haven area who is more my age, 42, has kind of dismissed Lamont to me as well. Same idea, he's from Greenwich, what does he know about CT. Greenwich is not working class CT. I do think that Lamont will do better than my mother and friend think, but I really think that people will stand behind Lieberman on a local level. He has been good to the working class people.


Another interesting point from last night is that DeStephano and Malloy, the two dems running for governor were there and they seemed to be more Malloy supporters than Lamont supporters. Malloy is from the Greenwich area as well, according to my mother, and DeStephano from New Haven. My mother does seem to think that Malloy will win, again the money issue came up, so who knows really.

Please keep in mind that my mother, God Bless her and pray for me that she never reads this, is a combination of George Costanza's mother and Maude. Yeah, I'm not kidding. She speaks her mind and says some really smart stuff and then every so often George's mother comes out to play. Every Greenwich comment was said by George's mother, you with me...

[formercia]

1. I grew up in Darien

people there are out of touch too. I thought I could escape to Maine but they retired and started moving here. Is there no place on Earth safe from those people.

I still think 'KAPO' Joe sucks.

[calmblueocean]

2. I may be in the minority here, but I still think Lieberman has a place

... in our party. One of the virtues of being a Democrat is supposed to be that we are a big tent party, that we can accomodate people who don't toe the party line on every issue. Joe has shown a tin ear recently, and has needlessly antagonized many important movements to hold our president accountable, but I believe he is a good person at heart. He was once the standard bearer of our party for Vice President, and I guess perhaps that's a part of it, too. I don't like to see anyone hounded out of being a Democrat. If he loses his election, he loses it, and that's his fault, but if he wins, I hope somehow we can find some way to bring the guy back into the fold.

[terip64]

5. I tend to agree, we are an inclusive party, that's the point...n/t

[iconoclastNYC]

41. We can include anyone?

Should we bring back Zell Miller? What does Joe need to do before it's acceptable to take him down in a primary?

[terip64]

47. It's acceptable now if you can do it. n/t

[montana500]

60. Lieberman is great on the environment ina big way....but....

...and he was a very good democrat for many years. But then he hung Al Gore out to dry, and something inside Joe just kind of gave out. I'm not sure what happened.


Yes, booing Joe is rude. Yes, this effort to defeat a long time dem friend (lieberman)is harsh. But Lieberman, for whatever reason has strayed, and when a long time friend starts making bad decisions, it's up for his good friends to set him straight. And letting Joe know the displeasure is no different than telling that friend it's time to check into rehab.

Sometimes what is painful at first is the best medicine in the end.

[wickerwoman]

70. Too bad he doesn't think I have a place in this country

just because I don't believe in God.

I personally think that kind of intolerance doesn't have a place in any party and you're welcome to pass that along to Joe "Atheists aren't real Americans" Lieberman if you see him.

[killerbush]

3. Probably filled with jack-booted Lamont backers

When Joe wins in November, the Lamont thugs will be going boo-hoo-hoo!!!

[alcibiades_mystery]

31. Jackbooted Lamont backers?

A bit unhinged there?

Don't get hysterical, dear.

Besides, I think Lamont would be up against Lieberman in the ...er...primary, no?

[NoPasaran]

51. I would think them more a Birkenstok crowd

[alcibiades_mystery]

52. LOL

I don't think Birkenstocks evoke the correct amount of anti-semitism implied by previous poster. Because to oppose Lieberman, you know, is - ahem - antisemitic on its face, doncha know?

[iconoclastNYC]

42. I gave $25 to Lamont.

I guess I better buy some Jack Boots . Maybe burn a few crosses too.

BTW I forward my donation thank you to holy Joe Liberman.

[Larkspur]

55. Jack boots are worn by the Lieberman thugs

They match the true demeanor of their master.

[THUNDER HANDS]

4. not to belittle your post but

its just kind of funny imagining not voting for a guy because he doesn't come from the rough and tumble, hardcore section of Connecticut

[Atman]

7. Connecticut has some very rural, hardscrabble areas

There are many working class mill towns north of that little finger down by NYC!

[THUNDER HANDS]

9. i'm sure there are

its just funny to think about making fun of someone for coming from the 'rich part of Connecticut.' In my mind, that's like coming from the wet part of the ocean.

[terip64]

16. I know but the New Haven area is pretty blue collar...

Then once you get around in CT you realize most of the money is near New York or along the CT river.

[terip64]

10. North and east. Ever been to Voluntown, CT?

[terip64]

8. Do you think New Haven isn't rough and tumble? How about Bridgeport?

Let me just say that if you end up at Yale New Haven Hospital park in the garage, not on the street.

If you are saying that people wouldn't vote against somebody because they consider them elitist, well...

[Atman]

6. I'm in Wethersfield, I've asked friends about Lamont

...so far, few takers. Joe has "celebrity" which people seem to value over his policies. One friend told me he likes that Joe stuck to his guns and stood up for what he believed. I said, "But what if what he believes is not what you voted for him for? He is supposed to be a democrat, yet he is one of the most ardent supporters of an illegal war the majority of democrats oppose. He isn't supposed to stand up for what HE believes, he supposed to go to Washington and represent what WE believe."

His response was unchanged. "Who's Ned Lamont?"

I don't necessarily think Ned can win, but I think the wake-up call this sends to Joe is important.

[killerbush]

12. Atman

Who in the Congress goes there to represent what we believe? It sadly, doesn't work like that anymore.

[Atman]

23. Well, yeah...but...that's the way it's SUPPOSED to work!

Right?

But you're absolutely correct. They go to DC to make as much money and grab as much power as possible before leaving to go into the private sector (unless they get so embedded with the graft that they just learn to dig it, and stick around forever).

[terip64]

25. But I am not sure that was Lieberman's thing...

This has more to do with Israel, which I don't understand enough about to even comment on. However, I think that Joe Lieberman's actions were true to what he believed in whether I agree with him or not. I don't think that he has been corrupted by money. I certainly hope not.

[terip64]

13. I agree.

[The Magistrate]

11. By Your Mother's Account, Ma'am

It would seem the noise came from a small group of loud people, and was hardly reflective of the mood of the crowd....

[terip64]

14. exactly

[peacetalksforall]

15. I am very sad on reading your report. He is a CT Senator, but when we

look at how he has voted and kissed up, he affects us horribly. I am sad to hear that so many people think he has been good for CT. Obama disppoints me over and over. I am sad knowing that there are so many Dems supporting him. I want him out (and I was thrilled with his selection as VP - it's all gone down hill since them).

[bigscott]

19. Obama is Lieberman Lite

and there are some very poor sections of CT - I lived in fairfield county, hartford county and now live in rural northeast CT, middle-of-freaking-nowhere. We have rich, poor and in-between. Lieberman has "celebrity" because he was a VP nominee - most people dont even bother to check his positions on anything - Lamont has a tough road ahead - but I am supporting him 100%

[Radical Activist]

78. Bullshit

Obama has an excellent progressive record from his time in the Illinois State Senate to today. Senators always support eachother as a courtesy. I don't like Obama supporting Lieberman either but it doesn't make Obama a conservative. Don't transfer your dislike of Lieberman to spout out insults against Obama.

[terip64]

20. I am sorry you are sad.

[peacetalksforall]

27. I'm not sad that you posted. I'm sad that the people of CT feel the way

they do. I hope you understand.

[terip64]

28. Oh, God I understand,believe me

I am sad every day by the way so many Americans feel.

[caligirl]

17. Your descript of your mom is a riot to read. Thanks.

[terip64]

21. You're welcome. Let's hope she never reads it! ;)

[gratuitous]

18. Can Lamont beat Lieberman?

Probably not; ousting a sitting Senator in a primary is practically unheard of, unless the Senator is under indictment or in jail or something. But I sincerely hope that if nothing else, Lieberman understands the nature of the dissatisfaction with his poor performance. We like Democrats in the Senate, not another Republican Lite. Endorsing Bush, playing kissy-face with the war criminal, and making excuses for this administration's corruption is best left to the GOP; we don't need folks in our own party doing it. You're in the opposition party, Mr. Lieberman; start acting like it.

[The Backlash Cometh]

22. Not everybody is a seasoned politician.

That sounds like someone who has been indoctrinated into a certain school. In Lieberman's case, those "seasoned politicians" are old time voters who see Lieberman the way Bush's hardcore sees Bush. Which means, if Lieberman gets unseated, it will not be from votes from "seasoned politicianed" voters, but by everyday kind of voters. Which one is in more abundance in Connecticut?

[terip64]

24. Exactly right. I'll go a step further and say that they are a dying breed,

but they definitely pay way more attention than the average voter.

[yellowcanine]

26. It is probably a good thing he got booed. It is useful to reming him that

not all Democrats appreciate the level of his support for Bush on the war even if he is mostly ok on other issues. He got to make his speech and the protestors got to register their dissent. That is how it should be.

[alcibiades_mystery]

29. Lieberman is so much for the "working class people" that he

sends them in their hundreds of thousands to kill other working class people a world away, then insists on more, more, more blood of the working class, til it fills the streets. Are undertakers still considered working class? Grave diggers? Perhaps I am wrong. Perhaps Joe still does support those working class jobs.

[dolstein]

30. They booed LBJ too (and a lot worse)

Thanks for backing up what I said in a post yesterday. A lot of people, all across the political spectrum, just think it's plain rude to boo public officials, even ones you don't happen to agree with. I don't think the behavior of Lamont's supporters won many converts.

Your parents sound a lot like the old New Deal Democrats. Liberal on economic issues, but also very patriotic. Even if they didn't like the direction the Vietnam War was taking, they couldn't stomach the behavior of the anti-war protestors. The difference between the New Deal Democrats (i.e., the "old left") and the new left is the difference between Henry Fonda and Jane Fonda. Frankly, Henry was much more beloved by the public than Jane ever was.

[alcibiades_mystery]

32. LOL

The notion that the Democratic Party that brought about the New Deal through social struggle didn't boo politicians is so fucking laughable I can barely stand it. Read a history book, Miss Manners.

[terip64]

33. You are so right about my parents. I wish I knew what my dad would say...

I know it would be positive and hopeful. He would start with, "Well, you know darling." I would feel better immediately.

[tsuki]

50. This not booing, being ultra polite, is a new concept. I think it

is born of society and the Repubs trying to force conformity.

If Holy Joe had used that rape victims should be forced to doctor shop line in my day, he'd been booed out the hall.

Of course, you'll have to forgive me. I am from a time before the working class became the muddled class. But, we are about to return to our roots thanks to the Repubs.

[alcibiades_mystery]

53. No no...the working class has always evinced the manners

of the finest of polite society! How could you question such a judgment!?!

It's never booed an opposition politician off the stage, heaven forbid! The New deal wasn't passed as a result of class struggle at the deepest level of American society, but through tea room conversations in which the fiercest opponents referred to each other as fine chaps, tipped hats, and smiled politely. You see, there was never any vociferous, down-and-dirty opposition before those filthy hippies came along with their America-hatred and foul-mouths and vulgar mannerisms. Lord, no. It was all sunshine and reasoned argument and - ahem - real Americans before then!

[CBHagman]

34. I generally feel we have to look at the whole JL record.

I'm really uncomfortable each time a fellow Democrat dismisses a politicians because he/she parts company with him/her on some issue. Keep that up and you'll have no one left to support. There's cooing and awe when someone takes a stance a DUer admires, and vilification over one vote or one speech or one issue.

I am frustrated by a number of things Lieberman has done recently, but I also know he is, for example, pro-choice -- a stance we can't afford to forget.

I'm also disgusted that some Republicans all of a sudden adore Joe Lieberman -- but they were ready to term him "Loserman" a few short years ago. They want him in the minority and out of the VP office, those GOP opportunists, and then they'll try to make a pet of him.

[dolstein]

36. There are really two types of Republicans supporting Lieberman

First, there are people like Chris Shays, a vulnerable Republican incumbent who has endorsed Lieberman for re-election because it makes him appear more moderate and independent.

Second, there are right wingers who know that Lieberman would easily win the general election and are willing to do anything to stir up left-wing animosity towards Lieberman in the faint hope that he could be defeated in a low turn-out primary.

[Warren Stupidity]

45. It isn't just "some issue".

The war in Iraq and the neocon bush cabal is the defining issue of our times.

Have you been paying attention for the last five years?

[dolstein]

46. So sez you

People like Jane Fonda thought that the Vietnam War was the defining issue of their times. More important than civil rights. More important than eradicating poverty. Turns out they were wrong. Most people didn't consider it the defining issue, or to the extent then did, they were on the opposite side. Richard Nixon was elected, and then reelected by a huge margin.

[Warren Stupidity]

49. Jane Fonda?

"People like Jane Fonda"? Odd choice of right wing hate icons you picked, friend. How about people like Martin Luther King jr.? How about people like Robert Kennedy? Huh? Funny how they both wound up dead after changing their focus to that minor distraction.

I'm guessing you didn't actually live through that period of time and that your view of history is not informed by personal experience. I'm fairly sure that you were either not draft age or did not have children who were draft age.

"Most people didn't consider it the defining issue, or to the extent then did, they were on the opposite side."

Well make up your mind. Which was it?

[Larkspur]

56. Vietnam was a defining issue and it still haunts this nation

Iraq is Vietnam II.

We know that Lieberman is like Cheney and Bush -- chickenhawks. He got 2 deferrments from the Draft. How many of Lieberman's kids and grandkids today are rushing to join the Army to serve in their dad's and grandad's favorite war? To date, none. Lieberman stands for moral cowardice and moral hypocrisy.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

63. So right, Larkspur

What if the money spent on the Vietnam War had been spent on the Great Society programs or other ventures that raised the standard of living here?

If you ever want to weep with regret and frustration, view the episode of Eyes on the Prize II that covers the assassinations of MLK and RFK. It's no coincidence that both were killed after they began moving outside the typical bounds of mainstream political discourse.

[oasis]

64. Joe showed courage when he helped to voter register blacks in Mississippi

during the stormiest years of the civil rights struggle. I'm no fan of Joe's but as cowardice goes, I'll give him due credit for not being in the Bush/Cheney league.

[Larkspur]

73. Joe has forgotten those days. He prefers the comfort of his corporate

buddies today and today he is in the same league of war criminals as Bush and Cheney.

[riona]

57. i've been reading along waiting

for someone to say that.

[Pryderi]

35. Have you seen Lieberman's voting record?

http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can...

Abortion Issues
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2005 Senator Lieberman supported the interests of the NARAL Pro-Choice America 75 percent in 2005.

2004 Senator Lieberman supported the interests of the NARAL Pro-Choice America 100 percent in 2004.

2003-2004 Senator Lieberman supported the interests of the National Right to Life Committee 0 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 Senator Lieberman supported the interests of the Democrats for Life of America 0 percent in 2003-2004.

2003 Senator Lieberman supported the interests of the NARAL Pro-Choice America 100 percent in 2003.

2001-2002 Senator Lieberman supported the interests of the National Right to Life Committee 0 percent in 2001-2002.

2001 Senator Lieberman supported the interests of the Planned Parenthood 100 percent in 2001.

2001 Senator Lieberman supported the interests of the NARAL Pro-Choice America 100 percent in 2001.

2000 Senator Lieberman supported the interests of the NARAL Pro-Choice America 100 percent in 2000.

1999-2000 Senator Lieberman supported the interests of the National Right to Life Committee 0 percent in 1999-2000.

1999 Senator Lieberman supported the interests of the Planned Parenthood 100 percent in 1999.

1996-2003 Senator Lieberman supported the interests of the Planned Parenthood (Senate) 100 percent in 1996-2003.

1995-2004 On the votes that the National Family Planning & Reproductive Health Assocation considered to be the most important in 1995-2004, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can...

[madfloridian]

37. Joe blamed Democrats: "we undermine the president at nation's peril."

I don't believe in booing anyone. I believe politeness is important. However, I think Joe Lieberman truly alarmed many Democrats when he said this...which seems to have been forgotten. The president lied numerous times, and we are being asked to be on board with this by Lieberman.

http://americablog.blogspot.com/2005/12/lieberman-blame...

Lieberman, whom the Bush administration has praised repeatedly for his war stance, defended the president. "It's time for Democrats who distrust President Bush to acknowledge he'll be commander-in-chief for three more years," the senator said. "We undermine the president's credibility at our nation's peril."

...The war debate, Lieberman said, is being too poisoned by partisanship....

"We can't tolerate the kind of division that current exists in our country," the senator said. "Why are we fighting among those who have the same goals?"

And this article from the Hartford Courant: Apparently Obama chose Lieberman as his mentor, according to Joe.

Lieberman, who shared the same jet with Obama and other members of the Connecticut congressional delegation, missed the cocktail hour, when the chatter focused on Lieberman's challenge by Greenwich businessman Ned Lamont.

Lamont was excluded from a roped-off compound of a dozen tables reserved by the podium for party leaders. He and his wife, Annie, sat at Table 96, by the entrance to the kitchen. He was joined by James Dean, who runs the liberal advocacy group Democracy for America. Dean is the brother of Howard Dean, Democratic Party chairman.

As Lieberman spoke, former state Treasurer Francisco Borges and I. Charles Mathews, a former Hartford councilman, chatted with Lamont.

Lieberman was afforded a polite, though tepid, response as he introduced Obama. At least twice, he had to shush the crowd, once when he shared what had been a private connection to Obama: Lieberman told the crowd that Obama had chosen Lieberman as his mentor"

Edited for the Hartford Courant link:
http://www.courant.com/news/politics/hc-obama0331.artma...

[lumberjack_jeff]

38. I would expect a democrat who supports working folks...

... to do everything in his power to get the evil crooks who are abusing them out of power, by whatever means necessary.

Being the first to stand up and applaud at Bush's SOTU address harms his working class constituents. Making excuses for Bush's mistakes harms his working class constituents.

I might be able to excuse a fool who mistakenly supported a war because he was decieved, I don't excuse a fool who clings to his foolishness to the detriment of those he is supposed to serve. Would we be better off with a Republican? In the short term, probably not.

In the longer term? Put it this way, Republicans wouldn't put up with that crap from one of their own, and that clarity has served them well.

Here's your music, Joe. Sing along with the rest of us or find a new choir.

[Rainscents]

39. I cannot support lieberman...

He has gone to the right on womens issue. One statement he made about rape women did it to me. What he said was fucking cold and heartless about rape women. Do you fucking honestly support this shit? I wont and can NOT!

[Capn Sunshine]

40. Can Lieberman survive?

Probably not, as the entire national grassroots is looking for a candidate to teach the beltway insiders a big lesson.

With national backing and enthusiasm, the Goliath that is Lieberman will topple.

Remember Lieberman won against a pretty formidable foe himself back in the day, and no one gave him much of a chance outside of Greenwich either.

[skids]

43. Not a comment on JL or the race...

Just in general, if there is one type of thread on DU that is the most inaccurate it is the "the audience hated this guy" or "so and so had a meltdown on camera." 80% of the time it turns out to be that DUers are seeing what they want to, not what everyone else would see, or it's true but exaggerated all out of proportion.

(On the whole DU is fairly accurate, just these types of threads, I've found, are unreliable.)

[terip64]

48. The point was that the audience didn't hate the guy,

Maybe some people here wanted that but it doesn't appear to be the case. At least not according to my mother, for what that is worth.

[Capn Sunshine]

44. LaMont contact info for those interested

You can send money to Ned Lamont. If you are a Conn. citizen, or want to do netroot work, volunteer manpower.

[Larkspur]

54. Lieberman earned those boos

He's a war criminal, not a gentleman, and deserves a fate worse than being booed and a primary challenge.

Dante said it best, "The hottest place in hell is reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis." The hottest place in hell is where moral hypocrite and moral coward Lieberman belongs.

[BlueIris]

58. Oh, if only I'd been there!

[McCamy Taylor]

59. Dems need a few Liebermans to make us look "inclusive."

This way when GOPers and Independents vote for the Democratic candidates this fall, and their friends mock them they can say "Hey, what about Lieberman?" Gore pushing Lieberman into national prominence was good for the party.


It's like the Goldwater effect for Democrats. You can say "Well, at least (post 1980) Goldwater was a good Republican."

[msgadget]

69. Y'know, I actually agree

with you. Although I loathe his hawkishness and that look of delight he gets on his face around the president I respected him for being consistent and sincere in his beliefs. Consistency should be highly regarded in politics. I think he's honest and tries very hard to be non-partisan in a very partisan environment and that's what gets him in trouble more than even the war, imo.

[cliss]

61. AHA..Terip. Now I know what you're

writing about me!

(just kidding!)

I think Holy Joe Lieberman's days are numbered. He's a war monger and a Repub suck-up.

He needs to go.

[Generator]

62. War changes everything

You know that Cindy Lauper song? Money changes everything? Well this line popped into my head. It's just vunderbar that Joe is for all these great things-the environment, insert your cause here. But WAR bleeds a country dry. It changes everything. This war is bankrupting America-finanically and spiritually. And it has bankrupted those that support it. When you support a deception played on the American people-you will never get your good karma back. That's my opinion. It erases everything else. Because war is more powerful, more important than everything else. So Joe is never going to be the Dem he was. He supports a lie. How do you recover from that? But, you are probably right-Joe will win! whatever that win! is worth.

[V. Kid]

65. Didn't Lieberman vote for the Bankruptcy protection act?

I ask this because you say he's seen as a friend of the working class, but perhaps, that should be pointed out in Lamont's campaign.

[JohnKleeb]

66. Against actually

If you give me the date of that vote, I can back that up.

[pschoeb]

68. He voted against it.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/r...

[Larkspur]

74. To help his corporate buddies, Lieberman voted FOR Cloture on the

bankruptcy bill. Lieberman knew full well that once that bill hit the floor, the Repukes would pass it and he could easily vote against that bill so he could dupe inattentive Dems and progressives.

[mdmc]

67. thanks for the update

[CrazyForKucinich]

71. How is Joe there for the working class people?

When the Min. Wage is less than $6?

Your mom has it all wrong. Ned is the progressive answer Connecticutt and the country needs.

[terip64]

72. min wage in ct is over $7,

[Radical Activist]

77. What does that have to do with Joe?

The Governor and State Legislature decide that for the state.

[CrazyForKucinich]

79. woopdefuckingdo

Joe doesn't control the Conn. min. wage. He's one of the people fucking up the NATIONAL min. wage.

besides $7/hr is crap. You're spouting this off as something to be proud of.

[election_2004]

75. I will never respect Joe Lieberman

It's not even about the IWR with me (a majority of the Dems voted for it).

Specific to Lieberman, it's two main things, for me:

- his ambivalence toward domestic parity for LGBT people
- his unapologetic embrace of censorship

There are other moderate Democrats whom I like and respect, but Joementum is NOT one of them and never will be.

[Radical Activist]

76. Anyone with his stance on trade is bad for working people.

Very bad.

[kskiska]

80. Isn't Lieberman from Stamford? Right next to Greenwich, as I recall.

I was born and lived most of my life in Norwalk. Yes, Fairfield County has always been more like a county of New York than Connecticut. Back before cable, our TV news came from NYC stations - we couldn't even get the New Haven channel - so I don't remember feeling very "connected" to Connecticut politics, other than local. Funny how Joe doesn't remember his Stamford roots.