Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

CALL TO ACTION! Help Defend Freedom of Speech @ Our Universities!

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
Keseys Ghost Donating Member (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 08:31 PM
Original message
CALL TO ACTION! Help Defend Freedom of Speech @ Our Universities!
http://www.traprockpeace.org/pace_repression /

Defend Pace University Students!

March 8th, 2006

Please take a minute to sign this petition to Pace University,
demanding that they drop all charges against two students facing
potential expulsion for peaceful anti-war protest, and cease the
harassment of activist groups on campus.

http://www.petitiononline.com/paceuniv/petition.html


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Higans Donating Member (819 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 09:09 PM
Response to Original message
1. done
:) :patriot:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 09:13 PM
Response to Original message
2. you mean the two students who yelled at President Clinton?
full disclosure, eh?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Keseys Ghost Donating Member (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 09:14 PM
Response to Reply #2
3. A rose is a rose...
Free speech or what?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 09:29 PM
Response to Reply #3
4. I'm saying your failure to disclose the protestors is telling.
You had a choice of either fully informing readers or not, and you chose not to. Why?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 09:35 PM
Response to Reply #4
5. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 09:45 PM
Response to Reply #5
6. it's called the Democratic Underground for a reason
When someone protests Bill Clinton, it's different than when they protest George Bush.

I have not said they should not have free speech, only that your post and thread should disclose they are the two who protested Bill Clinton.

It matters because some of us here are party hacks.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Keseys Ghost Donating Member (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 09:47 PM
Response to Reply #6
7. They PEACEFULLY protested former President Clinton
Now, take them to Gitmo or let them think?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Keseys Ghost Donating Member (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 10:02 PM
Response to Reply #6
12. My party right or wrong?
I've heard that before. A lot of people died.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Acebass Donating Member (926 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 09:48 PM
Response to Reply #4
8. I don't see it
The links were there. I was able to read the full petition. I signed it although I didn't agree with what they were protesting they have the right to protest so I had no trouble in signing...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Keseys Ghost Donating Member (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 09:52 PM
Response to Reply #8
9. Thank you...my point exactly....
We are either different from the Republicans or we aren't.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 09:54 PM
Response to Reply #4
10. Neil - that information is in the article..
I read it. I haven't signed it. I'm considering signing it on principle, which is the point of this petition.

seems like i'm observing a set of different standards here, but i know i must be wrong..
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 10:05 PM
Response to Reply #10
13. I think it's important than anyone reading the thread know
If people still want to sign it, fine by me. I want disclosure.

Does it matter who the target is? Yes, for petitions it matters.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Acebass Donating Member (926 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 10:09 PM
Response to Reply #13
14. Free Speech was the issue to me...n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Keseys Ghost Donating Member (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 10:13 PM
Response to Reply #13
16. There was disclosure, Neil - I don't get the aggressive stance
-really-

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 10:30 PM
Response to Reply #16
17. it's not aggressive, merely insistent
I thought they both came across as sincere anti-war protestors when they posted here, and stated as much in the thread.

Since this is the Demo Underground, I think it's appropriate to make sure people who read the thread understand from the thread that it involves the Bill Clinton incident.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 09:57 PM
Response to Original message
11. This university reaction seems pretty over the top.
That the target of the students' peaceful protest was Bill Clinton should not matter to people who really believe in the First Amendment.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Acebass Donating Member (926 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 10:11 PM
Response to Reply #11
15. There are ways of redress...
and if the charges are outlandish then they will prove themself to be just that...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 11:34 PM
Response to Original message
18. I support free speech, and have no problem with your protesters
I just wanted to make that clear. I don't agree with their point of view regarding Bubba, but people standing up and shouting their dissatisfaction at leaders - past, present, or future - is what America is all about.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Higans Donating Member (819 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 12:11 AM
Response to Original message
19. Perhaps they should post this at free republic and see what response they
get. make sure to say that you were protesting Bill Clinton. that should be really interesting. we will see who is for free speech then now won't we?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
laheina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 03:03 AM
Response to Reply #19
20. Even if they did sign it
their motivation would be because they were protesting Clinton--not because they are believers in and defenders of free speech.

While I am a supporter of free speech, unconditionally, I do see Neil's point. Their is an ethical imperative of full disclosure, and not being forthcoming about the facts suggests bad faith.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 09:26 AM
Response to Reply #20
22. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Anita Garcia Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 09:08 AM
Response to Original message
21. Not bad faith, all of the facts are on the linked page
"Even if they did sign it their motivation would be because they were protesting Clinton--not because they are believers in and defenders of free speech.
While I am a supporter of free speech, unconditionally, I do see Neil's point. Their is an ethical imperative of full disclosure, and not being forthcoming about the facts suggests bad faith. "
-Leheina

All of the facts are on the linked page.
The petition request for signatures says, "please read more..."


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu Apr 24th 2014, 04:49 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC