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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 03:21 PM
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"Mr. President, what are our plans if civil war breaks out in Iraq?"
Q Mr. President, what are our plans if civil war breaks out in Iraq?

THE PRESIDENT: Yes. Step one is to make sure -- do everything we can that there not be one. Secondly, I believe the Iraqi people have made a choice. It wasn't all that long ago that 11 million people went to the polls. It may seem like an eternity, but that was last December that people defied assassins, car bombers, threats and said, we want a democracy.

Secondly, the first real test for an interim government occurred when the Shia's shrine was blown up, the holy site. And while there's -- as I said earlier, there was -- no question there was violence and killing, the society took a step back from the abyss. And people took a sober reflection about what a civil war would mean.

I just got off of a teleconference with Ambassador Zal Khalilzad, as well as General Casey. They're obviously concerned about sectarian violence, the violence you see. They understand people are trying to create this tension, this ethnic tension. But they were also pleased with the response of the security forces. It wasn't perfect across the board. But, nevertheless, in 16 of the 18 provinces I've mentioned that there was relative calm. Most of the violence was in the Baghdad area. It's the violence you're seeing on your TV screens.

So the purpose is to make sure that we continue to remind the interim government that the people want democracy. One of the keys is going to be to get a unity government up and running, a government that reflects the diversity of the country. We talked about that today. We want the Iraqis to make that selection, of course. They are the ones who got elected by the people. They're the ones who must form the government.

But we are going to continue to remind them that the sooner they can get a unity government up and running, the more confidence the people will have in their future. So it's to take advantage of the desire of the Iraqis to live in a peaceful world and encourage government to continue to respond to fight off the desires of a few people, fight off those who are trying to sow the seeds and get a democracy going.

It's very important for the people in the Muslim world to understand that we understand there's a -- we're dealing with -- that we want them to have a democracy that reflects their histories and their traditions. Iraqi democracy doesn't have to look like the United States, nor should it. But it's also important for people around the world to recognize that there are such things as the natural rights of men and women.

That's what we're founded on here in America. We believe in the universality of freedom. We believe people desire to be free, not just Americans, but universally. And that faith -- at least my faith in the natural rights of men and women, and the desire for people to be free was expressed at the ballot box. And it's that powerful statement that I believe will enable Iraq to develop a democracy.

A democracy in Iraq is important. It's important to deny safe haven to al Qaeda. Zawahiri made it clear -- he's the number two man in al Qaeda -- that it's just a matter of time for America leaving. That's what he said. And the reason why that was important for him to say because they wanted to use Iraq as a place to plot/plan, as well to spread their jihadist, their Islamist -- radical Islamic view. They're totalitarians. That's what they are. And we've got to recognize them as such.

And so it's kind of long-winded answer to my belief that we will succeed, and we must succeed. And the reason I say we will is because the Iraqis want us to succeed. They want to succeed.

There's a lot of talk about Iran. A free Iraq will inspire reformers in Iran. I believe the more women are empowered in the Middle East, like is going to happen in Iraq, the more that will inspire others in the Middle East to demand their freedom.

Now, if you don't believe freedom is universal, then I can understand skepticism about what I just said. But I reject that notion that freedom is only available to some of us. I believe liberty is universally desired. And I know it's in our interest to help democracy spread.

I like to remind people about this historical parallel -- and I've used it a lot. You've probably have heard it, so I beg your pardon for bringing it up again. But it's important for me to connect the idea of laying the foundation for peace with reality, and that reality is what we see in Europe today. There were two major world wars in Europe in the 1990s -- I mean, the 1900s. And today Europe is free and whole and at peace. And a lot of that has to do with the fact that the nations of Europe are democracies. Democracies don't war.

One of my best buddies in the international arena is Prime Minister Koizumi of Japan. What's interesting about that is my dad fought the Japanese -- as did, I'm sure, your relatives, some of your relatives. And yet today, I can tell the newspaper owners that I work with Koizumi to keep the peace. Democracy has the capacity to turn enemies into allies and cause, kind of, warring factions to come together. And it's hard work to help a democracy get hold, particularly if you had just left -- lived under the thumb of a brutal tyrant, somebody who'd kill you in a -- or get you killed in a moment's notice.

Remember we discovered mass graves of a lot of people in Iraq. This guy -- Saddam Hussein was brutal for the people of Iraq. And there's a lot of tension and a lot of rivalry. One of the big issues we're going to have to deal with is to make sure that people don't take revenge outside the rule of law. Militias that are kind of seeking revenge. And at any rate, I'm just trying to share with you some of my -- the philosophical tenets of the decisions I have made, and my optimism about the future, and my hopefully realistic assessment about the necessity for us to achieve our objectives.

Remember this is a global war on terror. We've got a strong ally in Pakistan fighting off al Qaeda. And Saudi Arabia and the Kingdom of Saudi has committed itself to fighting al Qaeda. Lebanon is now becoming a freer democracy, although we've still got work there to make sure foreign influence is -- allow the Lebanese democracy to grow. Libya made a decision to get rid of its weapons programs. And there's -- positive things are happening. And they need to happen on a global basis because this is a global war on terror.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/03/2006031...
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 03:23 PM
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1. Thats one big response. He filibustered.
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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 03:24 PM
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2. It's almost as if the response was prepared for him in ADVANCE...
:rofl:

:patriot:
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 03:24 PM
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3. So, what are the plans? I can't find an answer in here. Just nonsense.
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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 03:26 PM
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4. bigger problem is he's incompetent
Edited on Fri Mar-10-06 03:29 PM by Neil Lisst
Forget the lying and corruption.

This guy couldn't pour piss out a boot with the instructions written on the heel. He couldn't find his ass with both hands. He couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat.

His organizational skills are zero. He doesn't have a clue how to run a big organization, or even how to fix anything. He's an expert at BULLSHIT. He's got a lifetime of experience - the kind every hard partying coked-up alcoholic like him has - the ability to talk and talk and talk without ever accomplishing anything.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 03:26 PM
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5. Okay there are so many things wrong with what he said...
that I would have to spend the rest of the day documenting them so I will pick one and leave the rest to everyone else...

1.He can tell the newspaper owner to keep the peace-(What the hell does this mean)..
2. Democracy has the capacity to turn enemies into allies- Yea and atomic bombs little boy and big boy can do that too....(He is insane)
3. Somebody who'd kill you in a -- or get you killed in a moment's notice-isn't this what's happening in Iraq now....


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One of my best buddies in the international arena is Prime Minister Koizumi of Japan. What's interesting about that is my dad fought the Japanese -- as did, I'm sure, your relatives, some of your relatives. And yet today, I can tell the newspaper owners that I work with Koizumi to keep the peace. Democracy has the capacity to turn enemies into allies and cause, kind of, warring factions to come together. And it's hard work to help a democracy get hold, particularly if you had just left -- lived under the thumb of a brutal tyrant, somebody who'd kill you in a -- or get you killed in a moment's notice
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 03:38 PM
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6. Translation: I don't have the slightest idea what to do about it!
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aden_nak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 03:58 PM
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7. You know what they want more than Democracy? For us to leave.
But I don't see him reminding anyone of that.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 04:54 PM
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8. That's a long answer
that meanders everywhere. I knew as soon as he had his second, secondly that this was a mess of an answer.
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 07:16 PM
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9. Oh Gawd!! "Democracies don't war." So...
What would he call our invasion of Iraq?? Didn't we make WAR on them? Does that mean we're not a democracy?

Oh, my head!! :banghead:
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NinetySix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 09:31 PM
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10. Next question, Mr. President:
Edited on Fri Mar-10-06 09:32 PM by NinetySix
Q Mr. President, what are our plans if civil war breaks out in Iraq? I ask that question again verbatim because, despite your stated intent to maintain a robust democracy in Iraq despite sectarian violence, I detected nothing in your response to indicate any plan to respond to any and all eventualities, no matter how unlikely. Shouldn't the worst-case scenario be prepared for regardless of one's hopes for the most favorable outcome? I ask you again: if civil war were to erupt in spite of our best efforts, what would be the United States' response?
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 10:03 PM
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11. elsewhere: "My retirement age happens in 2008"
"My retirement age happens in 2008, by the way, which is aligned perfectly."

--does this mean that he's going to step down before the official end of his term (in January 2009)?
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Muddy Waters Guitar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 04:04 AM
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12. Bush: "What, me, plan for disaster? Didn't y'all see what's
I did after that ol' nasty hurricane came rushing thru Loo-iz-i-anna? Besides, there's always gonna be somebody to come bail us out. I mean, look how many times my Daddy and all his big Texas oil friends bailed out my sorry a-- from all my failed businesses. Sorry a-- that's the term they all used to call me, heh heh, heh. Just gotta have the right connections!"
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 04:07 AM
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13. Like Wes Clark said on the Ed Schultz show today....
Civil War is when people of the same country fight each other....and that's already happening.

So it's not a matter of "when"...but rather how bad will it get.

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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 04:15 AM
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14. "So, Mr. President...what are our plans if civil war breaks out in Iraq?"
"I'll ask it again because you didn't fucking answer it the FIRST time, asshole"
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 06:30 AM
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15. Shrub is brain damaged.
Instead of Impeaching him the Congress should demand that he see a doctor ASAP.

Impeach Cheney!
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NoGOP Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 06:36 AM
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16. He should have just saved time
and said "I don't know, ask Karl and Dick".
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