My Analysis Of Why bush Invaded Iraq, And Why he Doesn't Want Civil War

[cali]

and didn't direct our forces to collude in blowing up the Mosque of the Golden Dome. Civil War has no payoff for bush. Oil production is low now. In the midst of a full blown civil war, it becomes virtually impossible to maintain production. Civil war in Iraq is fatal to repuke ambitions. He doesn't want to be the president who loses the Congress and turns over the Whitehouse to dems.

He's a meglomaniacal simpleton with delusions of grandeur who's obsessed with his presidential legacy. He had a quasi messianic vision that by invading Iraq he could remake the mideast in his own delusional version of democracy. Sure that included control of oil and goodies for cronies, but I'd argue that the overarching sensibility is one of a man who wants to be seen as a transformative world leader.
(BTW, I think delusions of the sort that bush harbors are far more powerful than mere greed and corruption)

Now tell me why my analysis isn't plausible.

[BlueEyedSon]

1. You think he knows that it's going badly there? I think none of his staff

have the cojones to tell him......

[Quakerfriend]

2. Hi cali, hope you and your family are OK. After your post

this morning I was really worried for you.

As to your post, I agreee about *s delusions but, I tend to think that their REAL plan is to eventually create a sort of scorched earth policy in Iraq and thereby, insert themselves (with perm bases etc.) for the long haul. This is why I believe they have really done very little to restore the infrastructure.

[cali]

4. That's possible but

a stable Iraq with a "friendly" government would do more to further those goals than a scorched earht policy. It's too difficult to predict the result of such a policy.

Thanks for your kind wishes, but what did I post that aroused your concern???

[KoKo]

8. Sadly....I have to agree "Quakerfriend." It's too calculated just to be a

"screw up." They seem to "intentially screw up"...too much for it to be believable. These are powerful people who have been in government a long..long time. And, Bush never fires anyone. That's the tip off to me.

I wish what you said was true, though..it's less dark a scenario.

[cali]

10. Actually, my scenario, I\'d argue,

is the darker one. Delusional meglomania is even more dangerous than pragmatic greed- awful as that is.

[ChiciB1]

3. Your Second Paragraph Describes How I See Him!

I've never seen him as anyone who's terribly interested in policy nor what is good for America, only what is good for himself. He relies on others to make him look good! That's why he's always "out of the loop" on so many things. And the worst thing about it... he really believes he's SUPER GREAT!

Haven't you heard about his tirades when things don't go his way??? Not that the "policy" was wrong, just that it made him "look" bad!

I've often thought he must have a key attached to his back so they can wind him up every day! As long as he "looks" good he doesn't give a rat's ass about anything else, and perhaps not even the OIL! But I'm sure he doesn't mind lining his pockets! He's BOUGHT his way into every endeavor of his LIFE!

Not about to stop now!

[cali]

6. I'm sure he's not above lining his pockets or those

of his allies, but I still think he's a narcissistic asshole who's more interested in being thought a "great man." And I forgot to add that I think that some of that has to do with his daddy issues.

[July]

12. That's why he uses the God talk all the time.

Think about it. If you were a not very bright wastrel who had every advantage in life and still ended up a fuckup, constantly bailed out by Dad and Dad's friends, would you want to admit that finally "achieving" something big (stealing the presidency) was owing to cheating and Dad or to "a higher father," which is a twofer because it puts Dad down?

[MadMaddie]

5. Well you may be correct...

it may be highly probable that our troops didn't participate in destroying the Mosque. However; the perception of what the Iraqi's believe is what matters. And their rioting and fighting tribe against tribe....proves that they think the US had something to do with it....our very presence has led to the destruction...

The * Cabal didn't forsee a Civil War because they had their "oil covered glasses on". They didn't understand the delicate nature of the Iraqi tribal factions...among their many failures.

But it's out of their hands now.....they blew any opportunity to keep control of the situation and now our soldiers are going to pay the price.

I would submit and agree with you that he definitely has the "Hitler" meglomaniacal simpleton with delusions of grandeur posture. And that is why he and his Cabal is in the process of destroying themselves and the country along with them.

[cali]

7. Again, I see oil as only one piece in the mosaic.

Overweaning hubris on the part of bush, matched by that same dubious quality in Cheney and Rummy, played a huge part. And sad as it is for US troops, it's far more tragic for the Iraqis.

[stillcool]

9. I think that we may have simplified things a bit ...

global dominence.. access...and a security presence for multi-national corporations and friends of their enterprises seems to me to be the goal. Iraq...because of what sanctions and war did to limit it's ability to defend...was the weakest link in the middle-east region. The people and politics are not a factor in the desired result of a toe-hold, from which to build. A free, democratic Iraq, that is not acquiescent to the capatalistic ways of global corporations can not stand. Divide and conquer is the name of the game.

[sandnsea]

11. It was never a "war for oil"

Nobody would ever go to war just for military contracts either, Republicans don't need to. They can concoct a braazillion excuses to spend military money, like the Star Wars program or whatever.

This has always been global dominance and security for multi-nationals. Once people realize they're sending their kids to die in order to turn our country over to multi-nationals that we have absolutely NO control over, they'll rise up and demand an end to it. It's one thing to work for a Toyota plant that's building cars to sell here, it's another to turn over basic transportation to a foreign country. People are starting to get it I think.

[lastknowngood]

13. Your using normal logic. Now look at it from his point of view.

If Iraq unites it will kick out the u.s. out so a civil war ensures division and the extended stay of the u.s. troops. They are there guarding the oil, not really interested in extracting it now. The BFEE and the big oil producers will make extra profit by charging more for less production. Their production cost goes down and they charge more for the product. The oil under Iraq's ground belongs to he who has the power and control. At a later time when the oil will be needed the u.s. can appoint a new Saddam and train his death squads and secret police to suppress the people. It's a win win for the Shrub and his rich boyfriends.

[cali]

14. Incredible. Wrong on virtually every count.

If Iraq unites it will kick out the u.s. out so a civil war ensures division and the extended stay of the u.s. troops. They are there guarding the oil, not really interested in extracting it now. The BFEE and the big oil producers will make extra profit by charging more for less production. Their production cost goes down and they charge more for the product. The oil under Iraq's ground belongs to he who has the power and control. At a later time when the oil will be needed the u.s. can appoint a new Saddam and train his death squads and secret police to suppress the people. It's a win win for the Shrub and his rich boyfriends.

A compliant puppet government would be far more effective to achieve those gains than civil war. Not to mention that bush has less than three years to achieve those aims; probably far less. At the rate things are going, dems will take back the Congress, investigations and impeachment will follow. You sound like you believe that bushco will be president for life, and if you believe that, well, there's no reasoning that will penetrate.

[Neil Lisst]

15. Iran benefits most from civil war in Iraq.

And it wouldn't surprise me if Iran was behind the temple attack.

[CJCRANE]

16. Only a few neocon academics

believe the "spreading democracy" spiel IMO.

The rest use it as cover for their own psychopathology: e.g. Cheney to get all the no-bid military contracts, Rumsfeld to carry on his "long war", and I think * just enjoys being a "War President".

[Mz Pip]

17. I don't think BushCO wants

a civil war either.

His administration was seriously questioned over their lack of anticipating and insurgency and also about how long this would go on. THe outcome of a civil war is even less predictable.

George is a control freak. He would have even less control over a civil war. He wants things to go well in Iraq and thereby guaranteeing him some kind of favorable legacy. He can't guarantee that with a civil war. They can last years, even decades. THe longer Iraq is in a mess, the less likely there will be any positive outcome for BushCo.

Mz Pip
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[CJCRANE]

18. But Rumsfeld, Rice and Cheney

are pushing the meme of a "generational war" and their whole power grab relies on being "at war".

[Mz Pip]

19. Then they haven't read their history

The American people, no matter how much they may have been brainwashed into supporting this war will not continue to endlessly support it. They bought into something that was going to be quick and successful. It turned out to be neither.

Rummy, Rice and Cheney have to get this under control very soon. Support is eroding faster than they would like. Vietnam was supported by the majority of Americans when it started out but after years of little success that support disappeared. If the trend continues Bush Co and Repugs will be in serious trouble come 2008. We can hope it happens by November, but unless the Dems start controlling their message better I am not optimistic.

A generational war will not gather much support. People pretty much want results. We're American's fer crissake! And we aren't seeing any.

Mz Pip
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