marching on D.C. won't work - even if we fill the city

[donsu]

cause they will use the military/cops on us, big time.

we have to become underground fighters.

like all other occupied countries in history had to do.

we have to work underground in small groups because we know they will imprison/torture us.

[samhsarah]

1. i sure do hope you're wrong about that...

although i just don't know anymore:-(

[YOY]

2. Kind of jumping the gun thinking that will happen aren't you?

It's not that bad...yet. A peaceful protest can help.

[atreides1]

4. HOW?????

Since this administration has been in power, when has a peaceful protest had any effect on King George's decisions.

And if it isn't that bad yet, what do you consider to be bad.

[bowens43]

8. It doesn't have an effect on bushes decissions

it does however work to change the minds of the voters. Compare the support for the war shortly after the invasion to now. Demonstrations help.

Nothing is going to change if we don't take back congress.

[YOY]

12. You'll know when it's really bad...it's not quite there yet and it may not

get there...

Let's hope the asswipes don't have a chance to make it so.

And no, peaceful protest hasn't had a single direct effect on him and it probalby won't, but the more we do it the more the sensible members of our goverment (R and D) will listen. Regarding how the world views us it allows more of the world will see that most of America does not stand with George W. Bush and that not all Americans are dumb redneck imperialists.

[donsu]

7. THE ENTIRE WORLD HAS PEACEFULLY PROTESTED

see any changes?

[zanne]

10. We can have millions of people marching in the streets...

If it's not on the six o'clock news, it never happened.

[Lone_Wolf]

3. The only chance we have is if we unite

Mass protests and general strikes will work. Hiding underground only aids the fascists...

[joefree1]

5. I disagree

Large public demonstrations provide synergy and enthusiasm for people. When you see others voicing what you believe you feel emboldened to challenge authority. A classic example is Gandhi. When you go underground you have a hard time communicating to the masses. A good example of this would be the long war of the French resistance against the Nazis.

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."
-Mohandas Gandhi



on edit: I travel internationally and people from other countries always say they have nothing against Americans but hate Bush. They know we're good folk because they see our demonstrations which are covered extensively in the foreign press.

[bowens43]

6. Or we could work in the open, in large groups, everywhere

to ensure that Democrats regain control of congress in 2006.

[donsu]

9. how are you going to gain control with rigged voting????

tell me

[bowens43]

16. you have to fix it. We did here in North Carolina.

No Diebold machines, no machines that don't provide a paper ballot.

[donsu]

19. what about the other ways they rig elections? have you fixed them?

nt

[Atman]

11. It isn't the military. IT IS THE MEDIA.

A protest, a mass march is made to be seen. Not necessarily by the people it is directed against, it is meant to be seen by the people. If the media is going to ignore the march, as it did last time, or if it chooses to focus on a small "FREE MUMIA" rally while 400,000 march by off-camera, no protest will reach the intended audience; the people who aren't there.

[asjr]

15. Atman, you are so right! The media know on which side

their bread is buttered, and it doesn't come from us. They control everything we see and hear and if it is not to their benefit, well, that is just tough.

[deutsey]

13. Marching on DC in and of itself never has changed anything

It's marching on DC in conjunction with local, grassroots activism and organizing that makes changes.

[Warren Stupidity]

14. Uh, no thanks.

I reject your assumption that nonviolent protest would not work. We can disagree about that, but don't you think we ought to at least try massive nonviolent civil disobedience before we skip right to the bloodbath?

[FogerRox]

17. The Ukraine had the option of rounding up evryone and putting

them in jail-- didnt do it though-- so ask yourself why?

Why has BUSH maintained a facade of a real Democracy?

Why didnt he declare martial law after 9-11?

Just ask yourself why?

[donsu]

20. our last protest march in D.C. WAS massive

and previously the women's march was beyond massive.

[schmuls]

18. The media propaganda machine won't talk about it, and to the

vast majority of sheep, if it isn't on the MSM, it doesn't exist. To be herded up like cattle in a designated spot where * can't see it, thereby protecting *'s ass from the truth, won't faze him. And his handlers sure ain't going to tell him about it...don't want to upset him, you know. Dirty little coward.

[dusmcj]

21. wrong: demand a civil society in which right to dissent is unquestioned

First off, if you're serious about what you're saying, figure out that you don't broadcast it in a monitored public forum like this. "The infiltrated left" is an unfortunate commonplace in the sad histories of struggle against other tinpot dictatorships throughout this hemisphere.

Rather, we must not countenance the notion that our inherent civil rights will not be respected by the government. Both Gandhi and King showed the way in this regard. This demands a preparedness to suffer maltreatment or even murder at the hands of illegitimate government, but that is no more dangerous than considering what you propose. Antidemocratic and outmoded power dynamics need to be re-marginalized, the "backlash" that Big Dick Cheney crows about needs to stuffed back up the asses of those who initiated it. Act like citizens of a civil society, get a civil society. Of course, it don't come for free.

[emlev]

22. That's why we need to be in the streets *everywhere*--see this thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2366180

Please help me keep it kicked.

[SteppingRazor]

23. Locking

a call to "become underground fighters" puts this over the line, in terms of the rules about advocating violent overthrow of the government.
Carry on.