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KerryReallyWon Donating Member (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 11:53 AM
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Re: Roe...Who will pay for all the must be born babies?
They are cutting funding for those who WANT to have their babies, but cannot really afford it. They seek help. They are cutting those programs, so who will pay for all the prenatal care? And, afterwards?
:shrug:
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 11:54 AM
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1. God'll sort it out
don't worry. :sarcasm:

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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 11:55 AM
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2. Laura Bush
They'll stay at the ranch, too.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 11:56 AM
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3. I think the thought is this:
fetuses are somehow sacred, but once they become babies, they are filled with sin and don't deserve any help. Or something like that from some people who say they are "religious".

I think the real reason the repukes do this is that they only pay lip service for children. Same as what they do when they say they "support the troops"-they don't get the troops adequate body armor, etc.
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kcass1954 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 01:22 PM
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18. Their concern with life ends at birth. n/t
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4morewars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 11:56 AM
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4. Free "vaccinations"
When they join the army !
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 11:58 AM
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5. Interesting column from a Radical RWer that I spotted last year...
...during the campaign. It's no longer available on the web, so I'm posting the whole thing. If this is unacceptable mods, I'll be glad to edit the post. But it's powerful in its entirety:

Against abortion? Vote Kerry

By R.J. Taylor
Wednesday, October 27, 2004 11:54 PM CDT
The Arkansas Daily Citizen

The political marriage between moral and fiscal conservatives in the Republican Party has not been an altogether holy one. Election after election, the controlling fiscal elites have deceived the well-meaning with empty campaign pledges on issues such as abortion.

The truth is that Republicans created - and have preserved - the Constitutional right to abortion that many, including myself, deplore. The striking down of the state sodomy laws in 2003 was also quite Republican, but that topic is for another day. The federal judiciary has been appointed by Republican presidents for 24 out of the last 36 years. Seven justices of the United States Supreme Court are Republican, while only two are Democrats.

Justice Harry Blackmun, a Nixon appointee, wrote the Roe v. Wade decision which gave Constitutional protection to certain abortions in 1973. At the time, Governor Ronald Reagan of California was an ardent abortion supporter, as was the chairman of the Republican National Committee, George Bush (the former president).

In case after case, the 77 percent Republican Supreme Court has upheld abortion. Why? Republican elites know that if millions of unwanted children were required by law to be born, the government's welfare liability would explode.

When parents hate their fetuses so much that they want to kill them, they are not fit parents for those children, if born. If unwanted children are required to be born - not because they have loving parents, but rather as a function of government policy - then the government must assume financial responsibility for their care.

Parents who would kill their own children simply cannot be trusted. The cost of raising the estimated 45 million aborted children per generation would be astronomical. The very thought makes Republican elites tremble at the knees.

Whenever I ask Republicans how much their taxes would be raised to support all the unwanted children if Roe were overturned, they always respond that they would not be willing to pay one extra penny. This is a moral bankruptcy in itself: They want the government to force children to be born to infanticidal parents, but then they do not want the government even to pay for milk for the babies to drink! The central problem is that no one wants to pay for the mistakes of others, not even when the lives of the innocent are at stake. If we abortion opponents were to mobilize to demand the expansion of the welfare system to care for the unwanted children after Roe, our position would be morally consistent and we might save millions of lives. But in my entire life I have never met a Republican who was willing to mushroom welfare spending, whether to benefit children or not.

For whom should moral conservatives vote in the presidential election on Nov. 2? We should vote for the candidate of the party with a track record for curbing abortion. In response to questionnaires filed at abortion clinics since Roe, women reveal that their motives are heavily economic. It is not surprising that during the high "misery index" years of Reagan/Bush I, the number of annual abortions topped 1.4 million.

Under Clinton, abortions fell more than 200,000 per year and the abortion ratio dropped to the 1974 level. While Clinton's Welfare Reform Act of 1996 cut welfare benefits, his economic policies promoted employment for people at the bottom of the food chain so that they could take care of their families. Although abortion statistics under George W. Bush have not been released, I fear for fetuses now more than ever.

Bush's policies have contributed to the largest loss of jobs and health coverage during my lifetime, while concentrating the benefits of aggressive taxcutting on the wealthiest one percent and ballooning the national debt. During his first two years as president, the poverty rate in Arkansas surged from 17 to 19 percent, harming the lives of thousands of our state's families.

John Kerry proposes to create economic opportunities so that ordinary families can take care of their children, born and unborn. It is high time for moral conservatives to seek an amicable separation from the Republican Party.

R. J. Taylor lives in Searcy.

http://www.thedailycitizen.com/articles/2004/10/28/news/opinion/opiniontaylor.txt

NGU.


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KerryReallyWon Donating Member (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 12:02 PM
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9. Thank you for this great article...like I said...
Who will pay?
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 12:03 PM
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11. Exactly.
NGU.


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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 12:00 PM
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6. A repuke told me once that there were parents just waiting
to adopt all these babies.
He claimed that there currently was a shortage of babies to adopt in the US and this would solve that problem.

I laughed him out of the room with facts on numbers orphans who were waiting for parents.
It from a discussion a couple of months ago and I googled the facts. Can't seem to reproduce the results today. But it was astounding the numbers of babies born and placed in orphanages. It was enough that he quickly changed the subject and left.
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 12:02 PM
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10. and another thing on that topic
Adoption in the U.S. is a racket. Let's be honest.

Why should it cost tens of thousands of dollars to adopt a child? Seriously - shouldn't there be some other criteria besides whether you can afford to blow tens of thousands of dollars to adopt a child?

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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 12:03 PM
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12. Yes, but are they nice white babies?
If you look at abortion statistics, white women are proportionately more likely to have abortions.
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demigoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 12:29 PM
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17. years ago I heard Pat Robinson bemoaning abortion because it lead to
a shortage of "white babies". They just want to keep the white race in the majority. Then they cut programs which they believe will put minority race babies at risk. Their version of ethnic cleansing, if you ask me.
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 01:57 PM
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21. Well, you are quite correct .. there is a shortage of adoptive parents.
One small point: we don't call them 'orphanages;' we call them 'foster homes.'

I'm a retired social worker who adopted herself; not a one fundamentalist in my adoptions class (waiting to adopt). It is frequently at least a year-long thing, and they don't want to go through that.

See, the kids in the system - well, they have problems. A kid may have been exposed to methamphetamine in utero, or have night terrors due to physcial abuse; it takes a dedicated parent to bond as parent would with child (necessary for the child's lifelong mental health) at the same time going through a court process that might return the child to his biological abusive parent. It's a long story. A fundamentalist once told me, "Don't adopt a kid like that. You know where those kids come from." I'm stereotyping here - probably somewhere there is a fundamentalist who has adopted, but I've never encountered one.

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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 12:00 PM
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7. Here's the deal:
We NEED tens of millions of poor and lower income people to buy from Wal-Mart so that shareholders in the companies that produce the products in Wal-Mart can get richer.

Come on! Get with the program! No poor people, no babies, no consumers. How are rich folk supposed to stay rich?

THAT's what's important.

:sarcasm:

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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 12:13 PM
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14. Better yet, maybe WalMart can adopt them
and start them working in the stock room at age 5 for 10 cents a day.
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 12:00 PM
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8. The U.S. will climb even farther down the charts
in terms of infant mortality.

Right now, we're 36, right between Taiwan and Croatia.
And all those countries with that horrible socialized medicine rank higher than that. How surprising. :eyes:
http://www.geographyiq.com/ranking/ranking_Infant_Mortality_Rate_aall.htm
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chelsea0011 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 12:11 PM
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13. 1,000,000 more children in poverty since Bush took office.
Do the math.
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 12:13 PM
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15. The right assumes the children will be placed for adoption
I think that they believe if abortion is illegal, women who don't want to be pregnant will give their children up. What they don't understand is that women who shouldn't have kids will have them, they will not give them up and will probably abuse or neglect them. Then the state will take them away, try to help the parents get them back, and if they fail, then the kids will be available for adoption-usually by a relative.

This is if the woman doesn't choose to go to another state and get an abortion, or worse, get an illegal one and risk her life.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 01:51 PM
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20. I think the right is only concerned about having enough
white babies to adopt. If they're non-white or mixed-race, fuggetaboutit.
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Kashka-Kat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 12:27 PM
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16. nobody, we're going back to the 1800s - poorhouses & nunneries
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Darkhawk32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 01:29 PM
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19. They don't care. Seriously, they don't care. n/t
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