I just defaced a Diebold truck.

[AtomicKitten]

I couldn't help it; it was beyond my control. I pulled into a grocery store parking lot. It was 10:00 P.M. and my son ran in. Next to me was parked a white truck with "Diebold - We Won't Rest" written on the side. There was nothing I could do. I reached into the glove box and pulled out a fattie black Magic Marker. The truck now reads "Diebold - We Steal Elections."

[Ayesha]

1. LOL!

My partner and I flipped off 2 guys in a Halliburton truck yesterday. If only it had been parked!

[NanceGreggs]

2. Madam, you have the right to remain silent ...

... BUT PLEASE DON'T!!!!!!!!

:woohoo:

[zbdent]

23. The marker was quiet . . .

:evilgrin:

[Roland99]

49. LMAO

[shraby]

3. LOL!! Into every life, a little

sunshine enters. Good on you!

[joefree1]

4. this post is now under surveillance

Hi NSA and Agent Mike. :hi:

[snowbear]

5. Uh oh.. We better check our "DU Slush Fund"

In case we need to bail Atomic Kitten out soon.. http://eliteleague.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/lol!.gif

[gulfcoastliberal]

6. Congratulations. I feel the karma gods approve.

May good fortune reward your good deed!

This post is inspiring me to place a large sharpie in my car... just in case.

Kudos to you, madam.

[sopmod]

7. Illegal,Juvenile and probably a little stupid....

but I'm still glad you did it :D

[AtomicKitten]

22. I feel so dirty ...

but if I smoked, I'd have smoked a cigarette.

[Maraya1969]

68. ROFL You are too funny. I wish I can find a Diebold truck sometime

in my life. :rofl:

[thinkingwoman]

44. Karma approves of vandalism?

Hardly. Sorry.

[manic expression]

57. the question is not

vandalism, but what it was for.

For more information, I refer you to Thoreau; Ghandi; Martin Luther King, Jr. and others who saw the worth of breaking laws in the right way.

[thinkingwoman]

78. I don't need a lecture on civil disobedience thank you

I'm well aware of what it is...and what it is not.

Sharpies on a privately owned van have nothing to do with the noble struggles of Ghandi and Martin Luther King Jr., among others.

I can still disagree with vandalism.

Further, I can disagree with an interpretation of Karma endorsing such behavior.

Individuals are free to disagree with me. Won't hurt my karma a bit. ;-)

[Moochy]

102. Vandals

"Sharpies on a privately owned van have nothing to do with the noble struggles of Ghandi and Martin Luther King Jr., among others."

I'm sure they advocated using paint in their day, but the history of Sharpie seems to support that they would have been able to use the noble sharpie.



http://www.sharpie.com/sanford/consumer/sharpie/home/history.jhtml

[thinkingwoman]

107. whatever

if you want to pretend karma supports such behavior, go right ahead. Doesn't affect me.

[Moochy]

112. I want to pretend

That simple act of vandalism like this, politically motivated wouldnt result in a chorus of condemnation. Oh yeah AK clearly put an offensive word, on a public place? no. How about a sticker? should stickers be allowed in public places? oh the crime the horrible horrible crime..

Get some perspective y'all.

[thinkingwoman]

119. speaking of perspective

you should help yourself to a big dose.

I don't care about the language used.

I don't take offense at words.

I simply disagreed with a post claiming karma would endorse vandalizing property.

I further added in later posts of mine that I didn't equate defacing a van with the stuggles of Ghandi and Martin Luther King Jr.

None of that warrants your holier than thou post and admonition to get some perspective. Follow your own advice.

[Moochy]

120. Aww consider me scolded n/t

[thinkingwoman]

134. Suit yourself. nt

[Canuckistanian]

138. This is non-violent protest at it's best

Vandalization of property? Give me a break.

Since when is property ownership the pinnacle of morality?

It may be moral to preserve civic order, but what this govt. is doing is beyond civility.

[thinkingwoman]

155. I tried to make sense of that.

But I failed.

You must be superior to me. Congratulations.

[hootinholler]

146. Sharpie on a truck? Nah,

A Marks-A-Lot is better for a truck.



Jumbo Chisel Tip.

-Hoot

[manic expression]

124. But do you?

Breaking the law was the primary tactic of many great movements. Furthermore, we are talking of quite the minor law.

If someone makes such a statement and expresses such a message, that is what is important.

You can disagree with vandalism, but I would ask you to step back and look at the bigger picture, look at the actual impact this can make.

Making a stand for truth will bring good karma, while I doubt that making such a stand will incur bad karma. Also, I equally doubt anyone will gain much negative karma from sharing viewpoints on a message board.

As a side-note, karma is not something one can guess easily, but I can infer that much above (IMO, at least).

[thinkingwoman]

130. Yes, actually

"You can disagree with vandalism, but I would ask you to step back and look at the bigger picture, look at the actual impact this can make."

Given that the truck was probably repainted before the end of the next business day, I'd estimate the impact at less than zero.

As for "making a stand for truth"...there are many ways to do that without resorting to vandalism.

As for karma...true believers in karma know that the ends don't justify the means.

[shance]

165. What do you think about the "vandalism" taking place in Iraq?

Bite that.

[Name removed]

175. Deleted message

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[AtomicKitten]

173. It wasn't vandalism, sweat pea. It was not permanent ink. Get it?

Christ, get a dictionary.

[Nutmegger]

8. LOL, way too funny!!!

I seen a stupid Diebold truck at my former bank; I'm glad I don't do business with them anymore!

[yellowdogmi]

9. Bravo!

Rosebud57 posted flyers here that I have been putting up around Chicago that call for impeachment. There is nothing like the thrill I get from that. It reminds me of my highschool days and the TP we used to spread around. May I suggest some quality time with the kids. It is never to soon to start them along the right path. Kudos.

:yourock:

[Atman]

10. Very cool, but I'm so sorry you shared it with us!

You've publicly admitted to committing a crime. You should have just savored the moment. I hope it all works out for you!

[ieoeja]

38. Yeah, because of her they may have to...

... wash the truck.

[Maraya1969]

69. Well if I get subpoenaed I'm going to say this thread never existed.

even if they have a copy I'll say they forged the whole thing.

And if they find out her name it will be illegal no matter what the fucking ass of a pResident did.

[bbinacan]

11. IMHO. not a good thing to do,

The poor guy driving the van probably has no union and this is the only job he could get in this jobless recovery. Now he has to explain this to his boss. Think people, THINK! Damnit. Let's do what makes us puff up our chests and say heh, "look at me". Real fucking bright.:banghead:

[HeeBGBz]

45. So what's to explain?

It's not like the driver could have done anything or was at fault.

Bright? Yeah, reading this was the really fucking bright spot of my day. Right on, AK.

All's fair in love, war and corporate aggravation.

[bbinacan]

154. Agreed,

But would his boss see it that way? He might ask, "How could you let this happen?" Boom, the guy's gone. There is only so much of slamming our dicks on the table, to make a point, that we end up hurting others.

Bottom line, Yeah great. You stuck it to Diebold, but you may have screwed the poor, non-union represented, minimum wage worker.

Just my 2 cents.

[snowbear]

12. Ah heck, "Home Hints" says a little hairspray will take it right off..

No problem.. the guy probably already buffed it clean..

See: http://www.hintshome.com/truc7529.html :smoke:

[RebelOne]

81. Maybe the driver does not know about "Home HInts."

[Moochy]

105. PITY THE POOR DRIVER

cry me a river

[O.M.B.inOhio]

13. I think of it as un-defacing property. "Refacing" the slogan to be true

Sometimes a freedom fighter's weapon is a Sharpie. And as for admitting to a crime, I didn't see you do it.
I went to a Board of Elections meeting in Hocking County, Ohio. A Repug board member admitted in the meeting to accepting items at the office for a Repug fundraiser -- grounds for censure or dismissal -- but the Chair chose to take no action, as he did not personally witness the misdeeds. When asked why the Board had dismissed the Dem member (Sherole Eaton) who reported voting machine company employee tampering with a machine and posting a "cheat sheet" before the recount -- no reason need be given, and, no, he did not witness any wrongdoing.
The punishment I imagine for corrupt vote stealers would make Robespierre blush. SO they're getting off easy with a little editorial markup.

[Ikonoklast]

14. Bad idea

Being a vandal? Are you willing to get caught and live with the ensuing criminal record? Would it be worth it? You must learn some restraint and pick your fights a little better.

That's no better than the assholes that turfed my lawn to run over the campaign signs in my yard. Same M.O.


Also many grocery stores have digital video surveillance of their parking lots. Some systems are very unobtrusive and Diebold is just one of the firms that offer security services from internal alarms and cameras to external video; that may be why the vehicle was parked there. Your actions very well may have been recorded; at least your car could be. And yes, they can read your license plates.

[eve_was_framed]

15. well, after we get Diebold tried for their election fraud we'll smack

her pinky but until then she's a gal after my own heart.

[Nutmegger]

16. Hi eve_was_framed!!!

I agree, time for Diebold to face a judge.

[eve_was_framed]

47. Hey there Nutmegger! Good to see you :-)

[blm]

34. If the poster is comfortable with any PUBLICITY involving her situation,

then I say she took a chance to bring a small spotlight to stolen elections. Even if the story is only a local one.

With some effort we can try to blow it up into a national spotlight.

[MercutioATC]

182. Well, since she's insisting that she broke no laws (even though she did)

it'll be interesting if she decides to jump into that spotlight.

[JohnnyRingo]

17. Y'know that's just the kind of senseless act that drives up the cost of

stealing elections.

I can live with it if you can.

[EFerrari]

18. LOL! Nice trash can.

:)

[RebelOne]

19. Not a very smart move.

You had better hope there were no surveillance cameras in that parking lot.

[ieoeja]

39. Yes, or they'll make her pay $2.95 for the cost of a car wash!

[MercutioATC]

183. Or, they could fine her $1000 and send her to jail for a year...

" (2) (A) If the amount of defacement, damage, or destruction is
less than four hundred dollars ($400), vandalism is punishable by
imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year, or by a fine of
not more than one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both that fine
and imprisonment."

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/waisgate?WAISdocID=97305019957+1+0+0&WAISaction=retrieve

[EFerrari]

20. They have really really nasty baloney sandwiches at the county jail.

Please consider leaving a note on the windshield instead:

"I still know what you did on election night."

:hi:

[Apollo11]

21. moral dilemmas

I think that writing on a Diebold truck is fair comment and "free speech".

Like you say - it was not even pre-meditated. It was responding to their corporate slogan.

It is legitimate resistance to an illegitimate government that has stolen power from the people.

It's like painting "DUMP BUSH" on the side of a dumpster. Spread the word! Keep hope alive!

If I lived in France in 1943 then I wish I would have the guts to paint anti-Nazi slogans.

It's not really destroying their property. It's not like you slashed their tyres.

It's not driving over someone's property and destroying their yard sign.

Diebold also supplies ATMs to my bank (and I live in Belgium!)

On the other hand I don't agree with personally insulting Halliburton employees.

If someone drives a truck for Halliburton - does it mean that he or she supports Bush-Cheney?

It would be wrong to assume there is an automatic connection ...

[Redneck Socialist]

24. Well, I don't endorse vandalism, but...

THAT'S FUNNY AS HELL! :rofl:

[hippiechick]

25. "Diebold: We Won't Rest ... Until We Rig EVERY Election"

:rofl:

[donsu]

26. awarding a big gold star for job well done

nt

[BigYawn]

27. Highly juvenile, criminal, ineffective, stupidly risky,

and could land you in jail if surveillance camera's recorded
your vandalism. I understand completely your impulse to do
it, but for your own safety refrain from such acts.

[Tom Joad]

162. The nation is waging a war of aggression, bombing a people back to the

stone-age, and you worry about errant magic markers?

[BigYawn]

167. If someone is breaking the law does it mean it is alright for you to do

the same? You seriously think War in Iraq will be affected
by vandalizing a Diebold truck?

The ONLY thing which will stop that war is to get a non-war
candidate get elected 2008. Everything else is spitting in
the wind.

[uncle ray]

169. elected?

you talk about electing a non-war candidate, in a freaking Diebold discussion?

:banghead:

if this act of vandalism made ONE voter curious, it did it's job more than registering a thousand voters in a rigged election.

[blm]

28. Madam, you have earned my undying respect even if you do end up in jail.

.

[RebelOne]

31. I can't believe that so many people here condone this.

This was a criminal act. According to the dictionary: vandalize is to destroy or deface public or private property willfully or malicious

[gordontron]

32. hmm isn't it more criminal to steal an election? nt

[blm]

33. Yes, but we're in desperate times and stolen elections are businessasusual

Who will tell the people when the media is controlled by the same people who control the voting machines?

Even if this citizen goes to jail, she has pointed to crimes a billion times greater than defacing a truck.

[AtomicKitten]

36. Am I protected by the Whistleblower statute? nt

[enough already]

74. Diebold maliciously defaced this entire country

They'll get over a little magic marker on a truck. Screw the law.

[toymachines]

136. your name is rebel.

REBEL, breaking law is true rebellion. In this case she spreads the word, while defacing a van that owned by a company which has and still is screwing the people, and is actively participating in stealing their votes. Rebel, defy the illegitimate authority.

[shance]

166. Rebel is without a cause. He prefers wearing the name.

and playing by the rules, while others laugh at any rules, shred our Constitution and our Bill of Rights, and gleefully kill and destroy our entire planet and everything living upon it.

But, Rebel is more concerned about writing on a truck with a black magic marker than mass killing and chaos that is happening globally.

But he still likes to wear the name "Rebel", while his country lays hemmoraging to death.

[toymachines]

170. good reply

and I like the tagline, everyone needs to hear that story, Butler is a real hero.

[Name removed]

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[RebelOne]

188. You are a moran and I am not a he.

Why should the driver of the truck be the target? The poor person only works for the company and is probably in the dark about Diebold's policies.

[shance]

189. Oh how cruel. A Majic MARKER... Whats a person to do?

All that cruelty, all that truth scribbled on the side of a truck. Its just too much to envision.

Gosh, I sure am glad all those dead corpses decaying in the streets of Baghdad and Fajullah didn't get marked on. Nope. They just got 'shocked and awed'and napalmed and bullets through their bodies and heads.

[AZBlue]

29. To everyone who's criticizing AK for her actions:

Do you support Cindy Sheehan?

[RebelOne]

82. Of course, I support Cindy Sheehan, but did she commit

any malicious vandalism? I don't think so.

[AtomicKitten]

92. neither did I .... now what? All this empty outrage for naught.

[AZBlue]

140. She's broken the law to make a point.

So breaking some laws is ok but breaking other laws isn't??

[gordontron]

30. nicely done

just hope there weren't any cameras

[Walt Starr]

35. Vandalism is NOT the answer. n/t

[cherokeeprogressive]

37. Would you still be so smug if you caused

the driver of the truck to lose his job? Let's assume for a moment that he's non-union and trying to feed a family of four in this failing economy. Let's say he has a sick child, and has to forego paying his mortgage to pay his medical bills? Would you still be so smug?

"There was nothing I could do." There most certainly was something you could have done; resisted your urge to deface property that doesn't belong to you.

In my book the four worst acts are:

Murder
Molestation/Rape
Thievery
Vandalism

I hate * for the first three, and if I had proof he was a vandal, I'd hate him for that too.

The thing that gets me is how many people here think it's OK to vandalize something that doesn't belong to you in order to make a statement.

[O.M.B.inOhio]

41. Harsh and uncalled for, IMHO

It doesn't seem likely that a driver can be fired for being victimized by some vandal.

I'll put above vandalism in my list of grienvances the GOP crimes election fraud, corruption, coldhearted indifference to human suffering, ineptitude in public office...

Smugness? I thought the post had an edge of ironic bafflement: "I can't believe what I just did," more than "I'm the Leader of the Revolution!" We ought to be open to critique each other's ideas and actions here, but let's save the bile for the murdererous usurpers in the White House and their enablers in Congress and the press... and the upper levels of Diebold.

[cherokeeprogressive]

43. I'll stick with what I posted because

I don't think that the way to bring wingnuts back from the darkside is to show them that we'll vandalize their things if they don't believe the same way we do.

And if you think we can make the world a better place, or this country for that matter, by foresaking the wingnuts then I say you need to think again. The "us" and "them" mentality isn't helping a bit. We can't get back the power without at least a few of the wingnuts seeing the error of their ways. Ideas will win hearts and minds before vandalism will.

[AtomicKitten]

52. or maybe I was educating people about election fraud

Cindy Sheehan acted illegally.
Rosa Parks acted illegally.

Not that my tiny gesture is in any way comparable to the importance of these truth-seekers, still I wonder if you wagged your finger at their illegal activities.

I wonder if the air is too thin for you up on that high horse.

Lighten up.

[cherokeeprogressive]

54. So Cindy and Rosa acted illegally

You are correct; your tiny gesture isn't in any way comparable to the actions of those two.

I'd say that those of us on the left are pretty much convinced already that election fraud took place. Wouldn't you? Given that, your message only catches the attention of those we're trying to persuade because it's vandalism. I don't think that kind of action makes for many converts.

As for wagging my finger at Cindy or Rosa, in Rosa's case I must admit to being a bit young to understand it all (I was born in 1961) but I wouldn't have if I were alive then. In Cindy's case NO, I did not wag my finger at her. But as far as I know, she didn't VANDALIZE anyone's property. Had she, then I'd have held fast to the same anti-vandalism opinion I'm voicing now.

It's nothing personal and I hope you don't take it that way.

[AtomicKitten]

55. you'd be surprised how many people don't know about election fraud

Our MSM has been of no help. People are much less enlightened than you think.

Ps: The "margic marker" I used isn't permanent, but it'll take a hell of a lot of elbow grease to erase it. I hope that makes you feel better.

[BigYawn]

58. Huge difference between peaceful protests and vandalism,

Gandhi from India showed the world what non-violent
protests could accomplish. He cracked the then almighty
British Empire by leading strictly non-violent protests.
He taught his followers to never throw rocks or molotov
cocktails at others. If the police attacked the protesters,
the protesters never fought back. They simply went to jail.

Guess what, no one got seriously hurt, no one's private
property was damged and vandalized. And India became the
first nation to become independent from the British Empire.

If you want to protest against Diebold or any other outfit,
by all means march peacefully and protest in front of their
place of business. I don't believe Cindy or Rosa defaced
anything. They are both true heroes. A vandal could never be
a hero.

[AtomicKitten]

65. the "damage" is not permanent -- hardly vandalism -- give it a rest

[BigYawn]

168. I don't think any judge will buy your argument....just say no to vandalism

[Name removed]

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[MercutioATC]

174. Vandalism does NOT necessarily entail destruction.

Far from being "retarded", some people here may have a better understanding of the law than you.

[AtomicKitten]

176. yes, in the legal sense it DOES entail destruction.

[MercutioATC]

177. No, it does not (where'd you get your law degree?)

...or your Google skills?

"Vandalism: Damaging, destroying, or defacing any real property that is not one's own, including tagging, graffiti, etc."

http://app1.lasd.org/mis/rdweb/CrimeDefinition.htm

Here's the California penal code:

594. (a) Every person who maliciously commits any of the following
acts with respect to any real or personal property not his or her
own, in cases other than those specified by state law, is guilty of
vandalism:
(1) Defaces with graffiti or other inscribed material.
(2) Damages.
(3) Destroys.

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/waisgate?WAISdocID=97305019957+1+0+0&WAISaction=retrieve


You committed a crime according to California law.

[AtomicKitten]

178. look here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2361067&mesg_id=2361597

I'm done talking with you. You are a tiresome bore.

Again, the only crime committed here is your lack of a sense of humor.

[MercutioATC]

179. I did, and you fail to cite a source. California Penal Code disagrees

with you.

(is your "source" the California Penal Code or your friend?)

[AtomicKitten]

187. the source = SF police

I know that must disappoint you terribly.

Maybe you can find someone else to bother on another thread.

[RebelOne]

84. Thank you. Nicely said.

[AtomicKitten]

93. yes, hooray for going off half-cocked.

[OneTwentyoNine]

53. Oh brother.......

Jesus...this is getting out of hand in a hurry. Christ,the driver won't loose his job,unless he's NOT supposed to be at that store in the first place. I don't condone using a magic marker on vehicles but I sure as hell don't condone election THEFT and FRAUD either.

[enough already]

72. Bush has vandalized this entire country

Screw him and fuck Diebold

[AtomicKitten]

40. To the finger-waggers - a note to you.

First of all, I realize this was technically wrong.

However, and this is a HUGE HOWEVER.

It was impulsive, and I am not an impulsive person.

It was impulsive because of 5 years of built-up rage and frustration over the fact that the Republicans have gotten away with election fraud not once, not twice, but three times (2000, 2002, and 2004).

I made a statement, albeit illegal, against a corrupt system that I, quite frankly, have little hope will change. John Q. Public MUST know what is going on. This truck is now a billboard, and the driver will not be held responsible for this (my father is an insurance agent and told me so).

I consider it a service rendered. My neck, not yours.

You're welcome.


Ps: The "it was beyond my control" was an homage to Dangerous Liasons.

[RebelOne]

86. Am impulsive urge is no excuse.

When I am behind a car or SUV with Bush/Cheney bumper stickers, I have an impulsive urge to ram them, but I know that is illegal, so I control that urge, mainly because I do not want do any jail time.

[AtomicKitten]

90. Excuse for what? This wasn't vandalism -- now what?

That really lets the air out of your argument.

No worries, no doubt you will continue to wage a war here doesn't exist.

Christ there is a lot of hot air here at DU!

[RebelOne]

97. Check your dictionary for the definition of vandalism.

A vandal is one who willfully or maliciously destroys or DEFACES public or private property.

[AtomicKitten]

164. perhaps you should check yours

I used precisely the word I intended - defaced.
Yours - vandalism - doesn't apply; I didn't destroy it because the ink was not permanent.

see here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2359734&mesg_id=2361407

[thinkingwoman]

137. Maybe you should reread your OP

Doesn't it begin with:

"I just defaced a Diebold truck"?

[AtomicKitten]

143. are you struggling for air?

What is the matter with you people?

I'm a writer. "Defaced" was simply a term to punctuate the header, not to be taken literally for chrissakes. To MOST that was clear.

And the Magic Marker is, in fact, not permanent. I tried it on my own car and removed it.

So, do you have any more complaints? Are you done nipping at my ankles?

Lighten the hell up.

[thinkingwoman]

153. No, are you?

I'm a writer too. And an editor. And a publisher. I know what defaced means and what details you provided in your post.

Nice try.

P.S. I only bite my husband. So if somebody's nipping at you it isn't me. Good luck and thanks for the reminder that I need to shed a few pounds. I'm sure you mean it in a kind way.

[AtomicKitten]

159. you are lobbing grenades at me -- and for what? -- let's break it down

my word "DEFACED":
* To mar or spoil the appearance or surface of; disfigure.

*****************************

your accusation "VANDALISM":
* Willful or malicious destruction of public or private property.

*****************************

There is nothing about the word "defaced" alone that denotes permanence which I feel is the deal-breaker when it comes to vandalism. I did NOT destroy the property, therefore, in fact did NOT vandalize it.

The Magic Marker, although stating it is permanent on the pen itself, has long since been "cracked" by the clean sleuths out there and I proved on my own vehicle that it was, in fact, not permanent. I didn't state that fact in my OP because most folks already know that.

So, now, what exactly is your problem?

[thinkingwoman]

160. You have issues

I don't have any problem beyond too much time on my hands. You, on the other hand, are mighty defensive at the very least.

Have nice night. You can have the last word. You can even add a dictionary definition of it makes you feel superior.

[AtomicKitten]

161. Ya, know, you have been challenging me all day

about a pretty innocuous post, and then accuse me of being defensive. I used precisely the words I intended in my post, words that describe what I wanted to say, and you kept reading more and more into the whole thing. I don't feel superior to anybody, I have simply responded to your incessant negativity.

I don't think you ever had a point, really. So I guess we're done. Thank god.

Ps: Perhaps we should take a poll on who has issues here. I hope whatever is making you the way you are improves in your life. Life is too short to be so anal-retentive about nothing.

[Moochy]

186. All this projection about "feeling superior" is a bit tiresome n/t

[AZBlue]

141. AK - -

You rock!!

[AtomicKitten]

144. And you, AZBlue, are a wise and fabulous human being. nt

[Herstal]

42. So now you are a vandal.

Great. Just great. Congratulations on sinking to the level of the hoodlums who spraypaint railroad cars.

[HeeBGBz]

46. So fucking what?

Spray paint on railroad cars gives people something to read while sitting forever at a railroad crossing.

[Herstal]

48. Major points for a humorous reply. Good job.

[HeeBGBz]

50. Y thank you

But really, I enjoy random graffiti on a railcar when mile after mile of boxcars all look alike and are a neverending freight wait. I would thoroughly enjoy some political jabs to amuse myself.

[SKKY]

51. I keep an extra DU sticker, courtesy of Skinner, in my glovebox...

...for occasions just like that.

[joeprogressive]

56. bravo, and to all those that are criticizing AK........

get a life. Two elections were stolen, thousands are dying for a war of lies, our freedoms have been trampled on, the environment destroyed, the economy sucks, etc. and you are going to chastise her for taking a little frustration out on a truck. Geez, our priorities are a little out of whack.

[cherokeeprogressive]

62. Got a life, thanks

And since AK brought up these two people in response to me, I'll pose you a question using Cindy and Rosa:

Would they have resorted to vandalism in an effort to take "a little frustration out on a truck"?

How many wrongs make a right? Two? Ten? A thousand?

[AtomicKitten]

63. I think you need to get a life or try some Metamucil.

The "damage" wasn't permanent; hardly vandalism.

Climb on down off your high horse, dude. This was a much smaller deal than you are making it.

[cherokeeprogressive]

71. I'll try some Metamucil if you try getting your story straight...

"I just defaced a Diebold truck."

"pulled out a fattie black Magic Marker"

Defacement is something I'm sure I don't have to define for you.

Every Magic Marker I've held in my hot little hands has said "permanent ink" on it.

So which is it? Did you "deface" the truck? Did you use a Magic Marker?

You go on and keep trying to defend vandalism. I'm getting a little voyeuristic thrill from it.

Maybe Skinner can give you some bumper stickers... at least they don't leave a mark when you remove them. They'll make your point as good as a "Magic Marker" any day, I'm sure.

[AtomicKitten]

75. ya know what?

I answered all your questions, was more specific, and you are still not satisfied.

You have some serious issues, dude, and it's not with me or Diebold.

Dump your weird shit on someone else.

Go away.

[Moochy]

104. Property Property uber alles!!

It's not all about property righs.. here's a sharpie

for your troubles.

[LittleClarkie]

85. I'd be more impressed if she wrote it on a CEO

instead of some poor shmuck's truck. Kind of like yelling at a telemarketer. It's not the little guy's fault.

Hopefully the dude didn't own the thing and doesn't now have to pay to get that removed.

[thinkingwoman]

139. ethics are a priority

I wouldn't want anyone to key my car because I have a Jesus is Liberal bumper sticker, so I feel it is wrong (and definitely bad karma) to take a marker to somebody else's vehicle.

That has nothing to do with people dying, lying presidents, global warming, or anything else. It has to do with personal ethics, which, for me, have never been situational.

Right and wrong don't change depending on somebody else's actions unless we're talking self-defense from a physical attack.

My kids are teens now, but when they were younger they would try to excuse their bad behavior by outlining what their sibling had done to "make them" act badly. That didn't fly in our house. And it should not fly here either.

Ethical consistency is a big priority for me. It staves off hypocrisy. If it's not important to you, that's your problem, but it begs the question of whose priorities are actually out of whack.

[hippiegranny]

59. you did exactly what I wanted to do

when I saw one of those trucks, except my idea was to write "until we find a way to rig all elections for the GOP" after the words "We won't rest".

Great minds think alike, eh?

[slackmaster]

60. Aren't you special?

I haven't done anything like that since I was a teenager.

:eyes:

[AtomicKitten]

66. no, you are infinitely more special and superior - I mean it , really

[slackmaster]

70. I must insist that you are far more special than I am

:D

Back when I was defacing things I STOLE my Magic Markers.

[AtomicKitten]

76. you win :)

[bluestateguy]

61. I do not condone what you did

But while we can never condone this, we need to look at the way in which Diebold runs elections that is making so many Americans concerned.

[Hippo_Tron]

64. I don't condone vandalism, but that's just hillarious

I wonder what the expression on the truck driver's face was.

[Ikonoklast]

80. I drive a truck. Do it to me.

Vandalize it and you'd find my boot on your face.
Why do you think that's even remotely funny? Now the driver is in the shit. Gee, thanks.

How about I key your car because I don't like your bumper sticker? How would you feel about that? I don't condone it, but I'll laugh at someone else's misfortune.

A crime is a crime and vandalism is cowardly. I find it repulsive that there are people that post on this board that would cheer on such a foolish, juvenile action.

Truly progressive. Yeah. Immature and irresposible is more like it.

[RebelOne]

87. Great reply!!!!

:applause: :applause:

[AtomicKitten]

91. no permanent damage, no vandalism -- now what tough guy?

You really don't care that you're going off on a tangent, do you?

[Ikonoklast]

96. You started out all full of yourself

But got defensive when called on your thoughtless, childish actions. Sorry to be you.

Yes, that driver could very well have lost his job. Many companies have an inspection policy when the vehicle is pre-tripped and then when it comes back into the yard. If that vandalism wasn't noticed and noted by the driver and management finds out on the next inspection report, they can take action against that driver. I've seen it done, many times.

If you obscured the company name, the DRIVER could get a ticket.
If it had a DOT number or inspection sticker that you covered up or obscured with marker, the DRIVER is held responsible and ticketed.

I don't care that you think that you struck one against 'the man', it would come down on some working stiff.

Not a tough guy, just a grown-up.

[AtomicKitten]

101. you don't know me or what you are talking about -- never stops you does it

eff-off

[RebelOne]

106. I think you are someone who is covering her ears and saying.

"I don't hear you, I don't hear you." No wonder you are saying "off-off." You do not want to face the facts of what could happen to the driver of the truck you vandalized.

[Ikonoklast]

115. What do YOU know about DOT regulations?

Go on, I can wait.







That's what I thought. As the owner of a trucking company and responsible for the safe operation and reporting to the state and federal governments for it on a quarterly basis, maybe I might know a little bit about the proper identification, inspection, proper numbering and lettering, proper placement of tax stickers, and the penalties and indemnities for the improper placement thereof, missing, obscured or defaced lettering, of commercial vehicles, etc., yes, my knowledge on this matter is VASTLY SUPERIOR to yours.

Now go call me names again. I'm starting to like it.

[Moochy]

117. What does it say about CORPORATE LOGOS?

waiting...

[Ikonoklast]

122. Any defacement or obscuring of lettering is a violation

I will repeat myself: any. Corporate logos included. In have one on my vehicle and it is part of my DOT lettering, city and state. If it was defaced, missing or obscured I would be cited at least, put out of service at worst. Inspection of all relevant lettering and numbering is part of a daily federal inspection report, and is taken very seriously. Try going past a DOT inspection station without displaying the current year IFTA sticker, properly placed.

My problem is not with the vehicle being defaced, it is the thoughtless action that very well could result in some poor working stiff who is just trying to earn a living to feed his family might get his ass in a sling because someone thinks that they are being witty. The OP refuses to recognize this.

The vehicle doesn't care what the OP did. But the driver is responsible for it, no matter what.

[Hippo_Tron]

118. I didn't say that it wasn't immature and irresponsible

I'm not cheering on his actions, either. I'm just saying that seeing a truck with Diebold We Steal Elections on it would be quite humorous.

That being said, while this prank was definitely juvenile, it was also pretty much harmless. How is the driver going to be in trouble because somebody defaced his truck? Furthermore, he defaced it with a black marker. I'm no expert on the subject but I would imagine that it will come off with the next car wash. It's no more harmful than a bird taking a shit on his windshield.

Do I condone his behavior? No. Am I going to be outraged by it? No.

[rinsd]

67. LOL...you vandalized an ATM service truck!

[AtomicKitten]

73. Diebold ATMs give paper receipts -- why not their voting machines?

[foo_bar]

79. because of the secret ballot

In the United States the practice became known by the name "Australian ballot". The first President of the United States elected under the Australian ballot was president Grover Cleveland in 1892. Elections in the United States are now almost always held by secret ballot, with party nominating caucuses in some states--most significantly the leadoff Presidential nominating state of Iowa--requiring an open casting of ballots. A Pennsylvania state legislator long active in election reform issues, Rep. Mark B. Cohen of Philadelphia, said "The secret ballot guarantees that it is one's private opinion that counts. Open ballots are not truly free for those whose preferences defy the structures of power or friendship."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_ballot

But the UK found a way to balance the security vs. privacy conundrum:

The UK secret ballot arrangements are sometimes criticised because it is possible to link a ballot paper to the voter that cast it. Each ballot paper is individually numbered and each elector has a number. When an elector is given a ballot paper, their number is noted down on the counterfoil of the ballot paper (which also carries the ballot paper number).

This measure is justified as a security arrangement so that if there was an allegation of fraud, false ballot papers could be identified. The process of matching ballot papers to voters is only permissible if an Elections Court requires it, and this is an extremely unlikely occurrence. The legal authority for this system is set out in the Parliamentary Elections Rules in Schedule 1 of the Representation of the People Act 1983.

(ibid)

[Beware the Beast Man]

77. Now that's stickin' it to the man!

:sarcasm:


Sorry. Vandalism is vandalism...no matter who it is.

[gordontron]

95. perhaps he is just helping them keep truth in their advertising

the only reason vandalizing a truck owned by one of the most dangerous corporations in America is if the driver of the truck lost his job, which is highly unlikely.

Look people I don't condone vandalism either. If I saw someone walk up to a historical building and scribble graffiti on it I would be PISSED and do something about it. If someone makes a graffiti mural on some crumbeling highway underpass I would applaud the person. There is a huge difference between those two acts.

This is the same case if he just vandalized the truck for anarchy's sake there is no justification, but he didn't. If this was some start up company that was struggeling that would also be wrong. Diebold is a monster it can take a small punch in the arm every now and again. Not to mention what the company actually does.

[paineinthearse]

83. Bravo!!!!!!!!!

I applaude your initiative and courage!

[RebelOne]

88. Well, you applaud her initiative and courage.

Will you be bailing her out of jail when the surveillance cameras track down her license number?

[Moochy]

113. Leave your fantasies out of this, property rights for the win!!!

[paineinthearse]

116. If it comes to that, yes.

You see, I come from the land of civil disobedience.

That's the trouble with the leisure class, too afraid to lose their comforts.

It's crunch time, people.

[AtomicKitten]

89. OK hard-asses, did you notice there was no permanent damage?

That hardly qualifies this as vandalism.

Is there a reason some of you folks here refuse to digest that tidbit?

You really like to hear yourself expound on a soapbox regardless of whether or not the topic is moot, and it's a lot of hot air IMO.

Get a f***ing life.


On edit and FYI: I tried the marker on my own car. I used WD40 and then Mr. Clean's Magic Eraser and it came off. Also there are tons of other remedies as well. Happy? Hell no, because you aren't paying attention. You just like to go off ....

[NoFederales]

94. Hey, you did good IMO. nt

NoFederales

[RebelOne]

98. The driver of the truck probably does not know that there was no

permanent damage and was undoubtedly dismayed when he or she saw the vandalism. This person is what you could call "an innocent bystander." as he/she, I am sure, is not aware of the sins of Diebold and is only an employee of the company. Why should this person be a victim?

[AtomicKitten]

100. go away - you are just whining now.

[RebelOne]

110. I don't think so. I am protesting about what you did.

Face up to it. Your action was wrong and illegal and I just hope you don't go to jail, but if you do, I hope you have someone to bail you out.

[Moochy]

114. cmon say it.

say it, you hope she goes to jail. BTW vandalism is not a "jailing" offense.

LAW AND ORDER UBER ALLES

[MercutioATC]

180. Vandalism IS a "jailing offense"...

Jeez...all of you wanna-be lawyers....


" (b) (1) If the amount of defacement, damage, or destruction is
four hundred dollars ($400) or more, vandalism is punishable by
imprisonment in the state prison or in a county jail not exceeding
one year, or by a fine of not more than ten thousand dollars
($10,000), or if the amount of defacement, damage, or destruction is
ten thousand dollars ($10,000) or more, by a fine of not more than
fifty thousand dollars ($50,000), or by both that fine and
imprisonment.
(2) (A) If the amount of defacement, damage, or destruction is
less than four hundred dollars ($400), vandalism is punishable by
imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year, or by a fine of
not more than one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both that fine
and imprisonment.
(B) If the amount of defacement, damage, or destruction is less
than four hundred dollars ($400), and the defendant has been
previously convicted of vandalism or affixing graffiti or other
inscribed material under Section 594, 594.3, 594.4, 640.5, 640.6, or
640.7, vandalism is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail for
not more than one year, or by a fine of not more than five thousand
dollars ($5,000), or by both that fine and imprisonment.

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/waisgate?WAISdocID=97305019957+1+0+0&WAISaction=retrieve

[Moochy]

181. Careful I might have to vandalize something

BOO!!

[MercutioATC]

184. Just as long as you realize the possible penalty...

...and don't state that vandalism isn't a jailable offense.

...have at it...

[Moochy]

185. Woo-Hoo!!

I sure hope they catch that naughty vandal who painted that image... :woohoo:

[lildreamer316]

99. LIGHTEN UP people!

Sheesh!
You go girl.

[AtomicKitten]

103. Jeez,. what a bunch of sourpusses!

Clearly having addressed what my critics perceive to be their "legitimate" concerns, they aren't satisfied and continue to expound hot air on their soapboxes.

At least some of you folks understand the bigger picture and the fact that electronic voting machine fraud has been swept under the carpet. At least for a while people will either be instructed or reminded in my tiny corner of the world.

[Moochy]

109. BUT THE TRUCKS !! WHO WILL THINK OF THE TRUCKS??!?!!?

vandalism makes "property rights" baby jesus cry.

[gordontron]

111. agreed

perhaps you should post a poll, it would be interesting to see how many people sided with you (I for one).

[LittleClarkie]

108. I just defaced a Diebold truck... now I'm going to Disneyland

Sorry. Having flashbacks to a song.

[AtomicKitten]

121. weeeeeeeeeeee!

[Geek_Girl]

123. I don't approve of Vandalism

But I do understand why you did it. I guess it's a sign of the times when mothers in grocery store parking lots are so fet up with the current situation that they feel the need to express that frustration.

[Burried News]

125. Just some Tea in the Harbor.

[Spock_is_Skeptical]

126. Well, I say well done.

And boo-friggedy hoo to all the party poops with no sense of humor.

High five!

[Lori Price CLG]

127. *Excellent!!!* n/t

[timber84]

128. AK you've made my day!

:bounce:

[AtomicKitten]

129. god, thank YOU.

there are some humorless sorts here that are giving me a headache.

[Gregorian]

131. Stealing an election is vandalism.

A little soap and water will remove what you did. But we have permanent changes to this country that nothing can wash away.

Good for you.

[Canuckistanian]

132. Bravo!

Diebold employees are going to Hell, you realize that, don't you?

[The Backlash Cometh]

133. Run, run, run for the hills!

Here comes Agent Mike!

[AtomicKitten]

135. please vote here ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2361067


I need to know whether I should contemplate suicide or have my ovaries bronzed.

[alcibiades_mystery]

142. I condone vandalism

Really, I do. I'm not just being a contrarian. I wrote graffiti in New York City for 12 years. Lots of it, too. Trains, highways, trucks, streets, etc. One little mark on a Diebold truck makes me laugh. We used to hit whole trains one end to the other, both sides, with fill-ins. And by the way, don't sweat the so-called surveillance. Nobody looks at that shit, much less comes after you behind it. It's meant to stop you in advance, not catch you afterwards, unless you've committed a class A or B felony.

Cheers.

[The Onyx Key]

151. Gee, great to see you're proud of defacing public property.

Proceed with any pathetic attempt you may have to justify this.

:wtf:

[bpilgrim]

156. psst...

pass the word :evilgrin:

peace

[alcibiades_mystery]

158. Couldn't give a fuck less

And yes, damn proud of what we did in those days. Your ridiculous morality means nothing to me with respect to that. The acts make sense only within the subculture, and anyone outside it is of absolutely no importance. I feel no need to explain or justify to you. We did it because we could, and we were damn good at it too. Never got caught. Got chased a few times (OK, a lot), but never got caught.

[we can do it]

145. Rock On Chickie & Poop On All You Grumps - Sheeeesh

:toast: :party:

[vanboggie]

147. You made my day

Thank you for all of us. I think you will have good Karma from this deed, and I hope it is not noticed for awhile and this truck goes many places before they repaint.

I've had a lousy day, and we are laughing out loud at our house. Bravo!

[AtomicKitten]

152. I am glad this gesture made your day.

and I hope you have a better tomorrow! :)

[LibertyorDeath]

148. Can I Kiss You!

:toast::hug:

:yourock:

[ClayZ]

149. Good One!

Kudos!

[alittlelark]

150. Sigh.... I would love to have one park next to me.

You won the Lotto. I have yet to even see even one (which is good - I would be busted for stalking and God knows what else if I did).

You are a true patriot:patriot:

[bonito]

157. LOL, you'd think they would take there name

off thier vans at the least, you know, its like a big sign, you vote and I'll count it and tell you who won!, but you can't ask me for proof.

[New Earth]

163. i love it!

too many stiffnecks in this thread!

if i were there i would have helped :)

[rasputin1952]

190. Locking

This thread has become a morass of flame filled posts.

Thank you for your understanding.