Skull and Bones Club

[rockymountaindem]

By now everyone knows that Kerry and Bush were both members of the Skull and Bones club at Yale. Some speculate that because of the bonds of loyalty which supposedly exist between its members until death. I have just one question... does anyone else think that perhaps after 35 years they will have moved on and won't think about that pact so much? People do change, you know. How many of us made a pact with somebody to stay friends throughout life and then broke it somehow? I just don't see how this is an issue, it all sounds like college hijinks to me. Comments?

[KFC]

1. Is that a PLEDGE PIN on your uniform?!

Thank you sir. May I have another.

[Maddy McCall]

2. Don't all collegiate frats and soros make these pledges? No big deal

To me, the secrecy issue of greatest concern in this Democratic primary season are the sealed gubernatorial records that presently sit sealed in Vermont.

[Freddie Stubbs]

20. And virtually every President in the past 150 years have been in a frat

Even Bill Clinton

http://www.gmu.edu/org/apo/history.html

[Dr Fate]

3. For a "secret" society, we sure do know a lot about them!

Can anyone tell me an evil thing Kerry ever did through his S&B "secret connections"- or is that information "secret?"

[Freddie Stubbs]

26. Absolutely no evidence whatsoever

that has ever done anything due to his membership.

[Freddie Stubbs]

4. Perhaps Bush will remain loyal to him and throw the election

Is that a far out crazy idea? So is the idea that Kerry would do the same.

[Exgeneral]

5. I bet he got a good interest rate on that home loan

seeing as how he has an income of under 200k, and a minimum payment of 6 mill would come to some 22,000 a month ( 264,00 per year)

I would imagine a brother wrote up that transaction, no?
Or someone who works for a brother?

[Freddie Stubbs]

25. Perhaps he got the loan

Because he has high future earning potential (similar to Mr. and Mrs. Clinton did) and the fact that his wife is very wealthy.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

6. Why does Kerry act like it's such a big secret?

I figured when the press has asked him about it a few times, he'd just say "oh, yeah, the college thing." Was Kerry at the S&B party for Bush after he stole the election? Why does Kerry act so suspicious about it?

[Algorem]

7. The fact that he refuses to talk about it shows where his allegience lies.

[Dr Fate]

10. The fact that he refuses to talk about it PROVES he done it!!!

His silence seems to suggest that he has commited numerous "secret deeds" that are surely evil...

The fact that he never talks about it and that there are no links to prove it only PROVE that it is a secret- an EVIL secret!!!!

[Dr Fate]

8. Will they have an S&B party if Kerry wins?

And will Bush be there?

Was Bush at the one you heard about? Link?

[THUNDER HANDS]

9. Bush and Kerry weren't in S&B at the same time

Kerry graduated in 1966. Bush graduated in 1968. You have to be a junior or senior to be in S&B.

So Kerry and Bush never knew eachother there.

[Algorem]

11. Yeah. Kerry's not involved with Skull&Bones anymore....

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Slate+magazine%2CSkull++Bones%

[ozone_man]

16. All this helps explain Kerry.

It's great that Slate declined Kerry's offer. I have my suspicions of Kerry and S&B and PNAC, etc., but one tangible thing that strikes home is the fact that he pretended to throw his medals away and still has his medals hanging up on the wall. If he would do that then I can see how he might have voted for the Iraq War Resolution and rubber stamped other Bush agendas like the Patriot Acts and No Child Left Behind. He has some major character issues IMO.

[Old and In the Way]

12. Kerry = Good Bonesman - Bush = Bad Bonesman

Actually, Kerry is 1st generation Bonesman which hardly counts. The evil Bonesman are 3rd generation or better. The worst are blue-blooded Bonesman...they are 3rd generation and Boned from both sides of the family tree.

Hope this PSA helps.

[Algorem]

15. Birds of a feather

are known by THE COMPANY they keep.

[rucky]

13. Skull & Bones! - The Musical

playing every night right here on DU. plus Sunday matinees for the kids!

[m-jean03]

17. lol- I think you nailed it

:7

[fujiyama]

18. What's the opening number?

That's about right!

[_2d_]

14. Once a Bonesman, always a bonesman.

Alexandra Robbins was interviewed by Democracy Now.

"JUAN GONZALEZ: Alexandra, I’d like to start out - in your
book, you mention John Kerry several times. For those folks who
might think this is something of the college days and in the 60's when
Kerry was at Yale, but you mentioned an experience that Jacob
Weissberg, the editor of "Slate" magazine had about 20 years later in
1986. Can you talk a little bit about that.

ALEXANDRA ROBBINS: Sure. Skull and Bones is really much
more than a college club. In fact the year that the members spend in
it, their senior year at Yale (there are 15 members tapped for Skull
and Bones membership each year) is really just the beginning. Skull
and Bones is a powerful alumni network, perhaps the most elite
network in the country and it really focuses on life after college.
What Kerry did was he tried to recruit Jacob Weissberg from his
senate office in Washington to become a member of Skull and
Bones...."

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/01/23/0445212&mode=thread&tid=25

[fujiyama]

19. Hmmm...I read the transcript...

and I'll admit I am somewhat disturbed about the organization. I had brushed it off until now, but what bothered me is the absolute exclusivity.

I am bothered that if Kerry is elected, would he appoint only other "Bonesers" to various cabinets and other high offices.

Kerry's overall record is that of liberalism. It is mostly about him taking a stand against those that hold power.

But if what happened with Bush* and S&B continues, the trend is that Bonesmen try to appoint Bonesmen wherever possible.

Disturbing. If I were Kerry, I would have distanced myself from this group. It's one thing to be a part of it when you're a kid, but to continue is ridiculous.

I want to atleast BELIEVE my government is open. This does not help. I like Kerry but after learning about the organization, I'm honestly dissapointed in him.

[wyldwolf]

21. Once when I was a kid me and a friend cut our palms, pressed them together

...and became "blood brothers." A product of too many Lone Ranger re-runs.

Just as silly as the (snicker) "loyalty" between Bush and Kerry.

[robcon]

22. This S&B issue is nonsense..

It's pure speculation: no facts, no examples, no proof. It's like black helicopters - paranoid nonsense.

[Algorem]

23. No facts ,no examples, no proof,pure speculation,nonsense.Paranoid.

[Algorem]

24. not exactly Joe Friday

[PVnRT]

27. "Loyalty oaths"

Every single fraternity/sorority chapter at every single college and university in the United States and abroad has "bonds of loyalty which...exist between its members until death." All of them. Hell, even some of the professional and service fraternities/sororities do. Just because that oath is there doesn't mean that they all form a secret cabal bent on world domination.

Hell, ask just about any fraternity or sorority, they'll tell you, only a minority of the graduates ever stay involved with them through alumni donations and activities.