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win_in_06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 09:30 AM
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Pace vs Murtha
On the news shows this morning Pace's comments are being characterized as a "beat down".

I didn't see it that way. Do these two Marines see eye to eye?

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/01/05/D8EUPP1O3.html

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"That's damaging to recruiting," Pace said. "It's damaging to morale of the troops who are deployed, and it's damaging to the morale of their families who believe in what they are doing to serve this country."

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reichstag911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 09:42 AM
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1. As if the prospect of being used...
...as cannon fodder for the perpetual war "on terror" is not "damaging to recruiting." When Pace stood up to Rummy about a month ago on the reponsibility of US forces to intervene when they witness torture, I had hopes for him...oh, well.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 09:55 AM
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2. Media is repeating the same tactic they used with Franks and Kerry in 2004
Edited on Sun Jan-08-06 09:56 AM by blm
Kerry told Americans that Bush failed at Tora Bora and let Osama get away because of inexplicable decisions by Bush administration.

BushInc put Tommy Franks out there to say Kerry was wrong....yet CIA documents and reports support EVERY WORD Kerry spke about this was true and Bush campaign/Franks were LYING their asses off.

The media gave most weight to BushInc lies - big surprise. They're going through the exact same process with everything Murtha says.
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win_in_06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 10:14 AM
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3. Apparently you don't think too much of GEN Pace
Edited on Sun Jan-08-06 10:15 AM by win_in_06
or GEN Franks to say they were "put out there" by BushInc.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 10:20 AM
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4. They WERE put out there by Bush. You think Franks lied on his own?
Edited on Sun Jan-08-06 10:21 AM by blm
CIA documents prove Franks lied about Tora Bora. There is a current book out now by a CIA agent who was on the ground there the entire time.

If you believe Franks was telling the truth about Tora Bora, then let us all in on the explanation.
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win_in_06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 10:21 AM
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5. I believe that Franks is his own man. Pace too.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 10:23 AM
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6. Then own man lied about Tora Bora didn't he? Lied about Kerry, too.
Edited on Sun Jan-08-06 10:31 AM by blm
And right before a CRUCIAL ELECTION. No political intentions there that you can see, eh?

You support a liar just because he has the word GENERAL in front of his name, that's YOUR choice, but you never gave an explanation WHY you accept Franks' lies.
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win_in_06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 10:58 AM
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7. What I'm saying is that if Pace and Franks are liars, it is of their own
choosing. They weren't put up to it.

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 11:17 AM
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8. RIGHT BEFORE AN ELECTION - When Kerry said it in a DEBATE?
Edited on Sun Jan-08-06 11:19 AM by blm
It's pure FANTASY to think that Franks - on his own- came forward with a LIE right after Kerry pointed to Bush's failures at Tora Bora in a DEBATE.

You think Franks CALLED UP THE NETWORKS and said he needs to tell lies to shoot down Kerry's debate claims ON HIS OWN?
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win_in_06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 11:37 AM
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9. Do you think GEN Franks, who had already announced
his retirement, could be strong-armed into lying by Bush-bots?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 12:05 PM
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10. Yes. He was working for the Bush campaign then and even
did so publicly at an endorsement rally. He was acting as a political operative. If he was acting as his own man would he have made such a blatant lie about Tora Bora immediately after the debate Kerry spoke about it?
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win_in_06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 11:11 AM
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11. Sounds like you agree with me when you say he was an operative
I think he wanted Bush to win so he helped him. That's all I'm saying. He wasn't coerced.

Neither is Pace coerced, IMO.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 03:45 PM
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12. He was USED to lie. They put him out there to LIE. Franks is a PROVEN LIAR
The facts of Tora Bora reported in CIA documents from agents on the ground prove that Kerry was telling the truth and Franks HAD TO KNOW that he was lying about Kerry and Tora Bora when he put up front by the Bush campaign TO LIE FOR THEM.

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