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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 01:41 AM
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Kerry, the BCCI scandal, the Swiftboat liars and other overlapping
issues ...

I've been reading about the BCCI scandal off and on for over a year or two. Kerry helped expose it. Tonight I came across this particular author's point of view on it. He says:

"This is the story of how the wealthy and corrupt in Latin America managed to steal virtually every dollar lent to their countries by Western banks, creating the debt crisis of the 1980s; how heads of state such as Ferdinand Marcos, Saddam Hussein, Manuel Noriega, and others skimmed billions from their national treasuries and hid them in Swiss and Caymanian accounts forever free from snooping regulators; how Pakistan and Iraq got materials for nuclear weaponry and how Libya built poison-gas plants.

BCCI is also the story of how governments manage to put together arms deals with supposedly hostile governments, as in the case of Israel's clandestine trades with Arab states, or the United States' supplying weapons to both Iraq and Iran in violation of its own laws."

A tie to Pre-WMD lies??? Going back to 1991??

I wonder if anyone has ever researched the financers of the Swiftboat Liars to the BCCI folk?? It would be interesting, I think. Revenge looked like it was about Viet Nam but could have been about BCCI?

http://www.the-catbird-seat.net/BCCI.htm
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 02:04 AM
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1. Have you read "The New War"?
Kerry wrote it in 1997. He was predicting a 9/11 type attack even back then. His description of what he predicted was eerily accurate.

In chapter 6, "The Globalization of Terror" he says:

"The terrorists of the late '90's and early 21st century will use more sophisticated means, and thus pose a more virulent threat to the health of Democratic societies by increasingly forcing them to trade liberty for security.

Though this country will continue to face danger from religious extremists, homegrown anarchists, and perennial bomber types, they are all in some sense "old news." The terrorists of tomorrow will be better armed and organized. It will take only one mega-terrorist event in any of the great cities of the world to change the world in a single day. As we shall see, that event could be nuclear, or could just as easily occur on the internet, but whether our sense of secure well-being ends with a bang or a whimper will not be the cause of debate."

Lots of stuff about BCCI in this book too. A great read.

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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 02:09 AM
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3. No, I haven't but will order asap. Thanks! Check this reference out
to Osama in the BCCI link I posted above:

"Khalid bin Mahfouz was a key figure in the Bank of Credit and Commerce International, or BCCI, affair. Between 1986 and 1990, he was a top executive there, holding the position of operational director. His family held a 20 percent share in the bank at the time. He was charged in the United States in 1992 with tax fraud in the bank's collapse.

In 1995, held jointly liable in the BCCI's collapse, he agreed to a $245 million settlement to pay the bank's creditors, allowing them to indemnify a portion of the bank's clients. The specific charges against the bank were embezzlement and violation of American, Luxembourg, and British banking laws.

After dominating the financial news throughout the 1990s, the BCCI is now at the center of the financial network put in place by Osama bin Laden's main supporters....:

I alway thought Kerry was brave to stick his neck out there like that. He had to know he pissed off very powerful people in the past with his hearings ...just look at the names involved ....
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 03:33 AM
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8. Oh yes
I wish they touched more on it in the last election. :( It would've been great to use. How he stud up to the corporate whores and all that. Maybe he didn't because he thought it might be too dangerous with his family and others working with him and the Edwards'. :shrug: How amazing of what he said about the terrorist attack.
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 03:50 AM
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10. Very true.
Kerry has pissed off a lot of people in his search for, and his exposure of the truth. It's no wonder so many are so quick to smear him. He's made enemies in high places, that's for sure.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 03:24 AM
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7. Can you find it in any book store?
I'd love to buy it. Or amazon.com? I have some money left over from a Christmas if the book is out there to order.
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 03:49 AM
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9. It is available on Amazon.
In the past, I have avoided them, due to a heavy Republican leaning in their political donations, and the blatantly partisan (and ugly) politics they have allowed posters to get away with on their site. They not only allowed, but encouraged customers to swift boat Kerry up one wall and down the next in their reviews of that cock smoker John O'Neill's fictional piece of crap book, although ad hominem attacks on individuals are supposed to be forbidden on the site.

I have heard rumors that they have donated to Dems in this past year, though I still am not interested in doing business with them.

Here's more info:
http://www.buyblue.org/node/66/view/summary

I will totally leave it up to you to decide. If you can find the book elsewhere, great. If you choose to buy from Amazon, I'll at least be glad you got the chance to read the book.

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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 11:50 AM
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16. Available at Powells.com
http://www.powells.com/cgi-bin/biblio?inkey=1-068481815...

Almost certainly at B&N too, though I didn't look.

Either is a better choice than Amazon, for "blueness".
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 05:02 PM
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21. Thanks, MH1. Those are much better choices.
Definitely buy blue whenever you can!
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 11:21 PM
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27. thanks for the Blue alert on amazon! Will use Powells and others from
now on ...
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 05:40 PM
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23. You beat me to it
You can also see the beginnings of how Kerry thinks re: terrorism in that book. If they would have listened to him back then, there would not have been 9/11. And they acted like we'd be less same with him, when he was actually an expert on the subject. Makes me wanna cry sometimes.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 02:07 AM
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2. Maybe not directly, but by all accounts money men in both
parties had been bought off by BCCI - in one article the extent to which the Democratic party went to stop Kerry was amazing. Apparently, they even had Jackie Kennedy - who he respected and valued as a friend - call him to suggest that Clark Clifford (not sure of name - was Secretary of Defense under Johnson) was their friend. Kerry continued anyway.

I think the funders of the SBVT were suppose to be Texas based Bushies.
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 02:10 AM
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4. I always wondered why the Clintons did little to lift any finger for Kerry
last year ...this goes beyond "sour grapes".
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 02:35 AM
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5.  I hadn't thought of that but did think that one of the reasons Kerry
spoke so infrequently about BCCI was that Clinton (as well as Bush1) did so little to help on this. From Vector's quote - you can see how clearly Kerry understood the danger.

BLM posted a list of things that Kerry felt still needed investigation when his committee was taken away from him - so he had no supoena power. The top item on the list was that he was concerned that Pakistan would sell its nucleur technology which was developed with BCCI funding. The Khan network did of course sell the technology to North Korea, Libya, and Iran. (Even when he had the committee - there's one picture from a hearing room - only one lone Senator is sitting there asking questions.)

Reading these things convinced me that Kerry was as unique in the 80s and 90s as he was in the 70s. Getting a Democrat - like Hillary in 2008- will not make up for not having a President Kerry.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 03:17 AM
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6. There are MANY powerful elements who are TERRIFIED of a President Kerry
Because they know he will use his authority to reopen the investigations that were left unfinished and bring the whole corrupt cabal to justice.
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 06:00 AM
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11. yep, it all makes sense to me ...they had to smear him ...
he knows too much ...
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 10:07 AM
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14. Which is why people who think our government has gone astray
Edited on Wed Dec-28-05 10:08 AM by karynnj
and done things it shouldn't need to look more closely at Kerry. Bill Clinton certainly didn't fight these people - I see no reason to think Hillary will. Of all the contenders I don't know of any "profiles in courage" like moments - where they risk their future to do the right thing - Kerry has at least 3 times - Protesting Vietnam, Contra/drugs and BCCI.

If we REALLY want to get back to values, he seems the one likely to insist on doing the right thing.
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 11:23 PM
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28. I had read that Kerry spent almost a year on a poor Indian tribe's
reservation to work and he lived there. He felt he had to do it to "understand" their struggles. Can you even picture Bush working with a Native American that wasn't "in the money" with a casino? There are hundreds of tribes who don't have casinos and they are being squeezed by this administration ...
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 11:52 AM
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17. Well, Clinton campaigned with him at the end, and before that,
Clinton had his heart problem.

Maybe Clinton could have done more, but I find it hard to square "Clinton didn't support Kerry enough" with the rally in Philly which was very soon after Clinton had his heart surgery. I just don't know.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 12:01 PM
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18. He appeared in NM with THK too. n/t
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 11:24 PM
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29. I remember those reports, it was a "scheduled" surgery. It wasn't
an emergency.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 11:31 PM
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31. Uh, well, not too optional. Quadruple heart bypass.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A59226-20...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5906976 /

Goes to hospital with chest pains, doc says you need an operation, schedules it for following week.

Close enough to an emergency.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 07:57 AM
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12. Here's a summary of what's known about Swiftboat funding
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 11:27 PM
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30. Thanks for that great link! It leads to alot of other great info!
Peace!!!
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 08:51 AM
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13. Rather than SBVT, the question might be whether
these ultra rich people who the BCCI investigation challanged indirectly own parts of the media. Or even whether it's that they are friends of friends - and he's challanging the system. (What mystifies me is why when he has been brave enough and honest enough to pursue this the far LW which should relize the courage needed and the risks in addition to understanding why someone needs to stand up to this don't give him credit. (The only thing I can think of is that they resent his ability to thrive in the world of priviledge while doing these things.)
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 10:10 AM
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15. It's amazing how many of the BCCI players are still around.
And how deeply they are tied to the Bush Family. Noreiga was a just lousy with Bush connections. Look at this from 5/1/90

But all of BCCI's previous controversies have been dwarfed by the issue of drug money.

One former BCCI customer who was allegedly involved in the drug trade is Manuel Noriega, the former Panamanian dictator. In February 1988 Noriega was indicted in Miami and Tampa on federal drug changes. Around the time of the indictments, two convicted traffickers testified at Senate hearings that they'd dealt with Noriega--and with BCCI--in Panama. One of the traffickers, Leigh Bruce Ritch, testified that he'd been referred to BCCI by Cesar Rodriguez, one of Noriega's closest associates. The traffickers' testimony was buttressed by Jose Blandon, a former Panamanian diplomat. BCCI, according to Blandon, had been used for money laundering by both Rodriguez and Enrique Pretelt, another associate of Noriega's, who at the time was under indictment in the United States on drug charges.

In the wake of the Noriega hearings, the Senate Subcommittee on Terrorism, Narcotics, and International Operations, chaired by John Kerry of Massachusetts, launched a secret inquiry into BCCI. On September 30, 1988, the Kerry committee deposed Amjad Awan, BCCI's country manager for Panama from 1981 to 1984. Awan, who'd acted as Noriega's personal banker, said that the dictator had channeled millions of dollars through his BCCI account; most of the deposits had been in cash. Noriega had been so pleased with the service he'd received, according to Awan, that he'd made a personal appeal to Abedi not to transfer Awan from Panama. Abedi had gone ahead with the transfer anyway, but Awan had assured Noriega that "I would be available to him whenever he needed me."

Kerry's subcommittee wasn't the only unit of the U.S. government that was taking a close look at BCCI. At the same time that Awan was testifying, he and several of his BCCI colleagues were the targets of an undercover investigation of money laundering that had been launched in 1986 by the U.S. Customs Service. A customs agent posing as a money launderer had channeled millions of dollars in cocaine money through BCCI. Awan was one of several BCCI officers who'd allegedly been eager to help out.


From: Who really owns First American Bank? (investigation into ownership of First American Bankshares Inc.) (includes additional articles: The Noriega connection, What the bank says, how the bank does, The Jimmy Carter connection)
Regardie's Magazine, Vol. 10, Issue. 9, p 66(22) 05-1-1990
By Larry Gurwin

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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 02:49 PM
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19. it's also amazing that bcci, a.k.a. the terrorist's bank..
was never once brought up by Kerry himself as he was painted as being soft on terror. Not one mention.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 04:54 PM
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20. He did bring it up during the campaign, yet no media followed through and
Edited on Wed Dec-28-05 04:54 PM by blm
and discussed it after he brought it up.

Editting room floors saw more of Kerry's campaign than the American public did.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 05:10 PM
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22. NYT magazine did a excellent cover story on Kerry (BCCI detailed) n/t
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 06:39 PM
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24. I should've said broadcast media. Some print media mentioned it, but, most
people got their campaign news from broadcast media which chose to NOT mention BCCI or Kerry's antiterrorism work.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 06:39 PM
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25. I should've said broadcast media. Some print media mentioned it, but, most
people got their campaign news from broadcast media which chose to NOT mention BCCI or Kerry's antiterrorism work.
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 11:36 PM
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32. here's a pre-election story that talks about Kerry and the BCCI scandal
Edited on Wed Dec-28-05 11:40 PM by NVMojo
" This four-generation evolution of the Bushes involves multiple links that could become Bush's election-year Achilles' heel if a clever and tough 2004 Democratic opponent can punch and slice at them. Massachusetts Sen. John F. Kerry, the clear Democratic front-runner, could be best positioned to do so. In the late 1980s and early 1990s, he investigated the Iran-Contra and Bank of Credit and Commerce International scandals, both of which touched George H.W. Bush's Saudi, Iraqi and Middle Eastern arms-deal entanglements.

Washington lawyer Jack Blum, the ace investigator for Kerry's subcommittee back then, is said to be advising him now, which could be meaningful. Ironically, the Bush family's century of involvement in oil, armaments and global intrigue has never been at the center of the national debate since the Bushes starting running for president in 1980. "

http://villagenews.weblogger.com/stories/storyReader$10...

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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 11:44 PM
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33. here's a thread by blm from July that has alot of good info to revisit
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 11:22 AM
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34. Probably time for another - wonder when some media will catch up to DU.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 07:04 PM
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26. It was brought up - most specificly in Sept 2004 at the
University of Philadelphia in the speech he gave on the War on Terror. It had been labeled as a major speech - but I thyink only CSPAN really covered it. It was shortly after the NYU Iraq speech - which was the other major speech of that month.
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