Will Warrantless Spying Blow Over?

[MrModerate]

Poll question: Will Warrantless Spying Blow Over?

[PetraPooh]

1. WEEBLES wobble but they don't fall down. sigh

[marylanddem]

2. Welcome to DU, PetraPooh - but this weeble

is goin' down bigtime.

[MrModerate]

3. Darn! I had forgotten about the Weebles . . .

Welcome to DU!

[PetraPooh]

4. I'd love it if someone would

post it as a topic thread which I can't do until I have a few hundred more posts. . . so every appropriate thread. . . WEEBLES wobble but they don't fall down, and maybe soon instead of seeming sly and teflon, they will all seem "conquerable"

[shenmue]

5. That little bastard gets away with everything...

but not this time. Now even he is in serious fucking trouble. You can't get up there and say, "Yes, I told 'em to just violate the Constitution," and skip to my lou. This is going to make Nixon look like toast and jelly for breakfast.

[marylanddem]

7. He's sounding shriller & looking weaker every day. n/t

[Birthmark]

6. Nope.

This is it, folks. This is where Americans get to choose whether we have a Republic or a Monarchy. There's no going back. I'm for a Republic.

[Nutmegger]

8. This is too much of an issue for it to blow over

:smoke: :smoke:

[xchrom]

9. it depends -- the democratic party will have to hold

the legislative branches of government feet to the fire -- AND they will have to make the media stay on it.

the democrats have no power -- but this has the possibility of providing a vehicle to bundle the republicans in and drive them out of town.

[grytpype]

10. It's too abstract.

Iraq is what is going to finally bring him down.

He lied us into a war just to hand Iraq over to Iran? Most people will understand that. The spying thing is too abstract.

[MrModerate]

11. Naaah . . . can't agree . . .

The spying goes right to the trust issue. Lack of trust is what will bring him down. Grid knows there's been enough bald-faced lies to sour anyone who's paying attention.

Iraq comes into play because he not only lied, but he screwed up. I'm thinking this is the tipping point. Iraq is actually more important, but this will start the avalanche.

[dusmcj]

12. it's pretty plain actually

there are all kinds of numinous threads here:

1. the government is spying on us. Enough to get Freepers, Democrats and red-blooded Americans across the spectrum angry, in a particularly American way - that old distrust of the Man surfaces, which is demographic-universal except among parts of the soccer-n-minivan set and the I'm too rich to care, they're doing it for my sake anyway set.

2. He LIED. Liar Liar Pants On Fire. Just like Kindergarteners at recess, Americans love to feel morally superior, at least relatively speaking, by identifying and comparing themselves to someone who did something overtly Naughty and broke The Rules. (It's always easier when any standard of comparison will do.) President Clinton getting in trouble for not having sex with that woman is a recent example. While there is added moral turgidity when it's a scurrilous liberal confirming their amorality, the original sin is nondenominational - it will piss off a sizeable subset of Americans. And some of those will note that this is more consequential than bodily fluids on a plus-size cocktail dress.

3. Iraq ain't going so good, our boys are dying, and there's rumors that the reasons given were lies. Bad shit abroad, lies to get us there, and now they're looking in my underwear drawer ;) Wow, things are really not so good in the US of A.

This won't just blow over.