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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 09:37 AM
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I'm glad Kerry didn't win
Can you imagine history books if Kerry had won. Bush would have been portrayed as a failure, but with a good heart. Now, look what is happening. Bush and his gang are starting to appear as the crooks they are. The Iraq war was illegal from the start, repubs are on the take and almost all decisions by Bush hurt poor people. Diebold is going down the tubes, too. If Kerry had won, would all this corruption have come out? With any luck, Bush will go down as someone worse than Nixon.

I love Kerry, and think he would have been great as president. But, let's face it, won't it feel good when Bush and his gang get what's coming to them?

zalinda
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 09:39 AM
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1. I tend to agree...
Maybe this was meant to happen, to awaken this country from its sleepwalk.

:think:
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BobRossi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 09:45 AM
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4. Nation of sleepwalkers.
I honestly think that the majority of Americans will remain oblivious to what they have lost. As long as they have reality T.V. they don't need reality.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 10:26 AM
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15. Good point...
Even people at work who I think are reasonably intelligent people spend all day talking about what happened on Nanny 9-1-1 or the Apprentice, paying not attention whatsoever to the Shrub's approval of spying on them or torture or whatever. It's kinda tragic.

:cry:
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 09:41 AM
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2. I think they would have got what's coming to them
sooner if Kerry's votes had all been counted. Less would have died. The NSA thing would have been stopped a year earlier, Rove and Libby would be doing time by now. The Alaska oil fields would be safe for the time being and the country would be looking actively for an alternative fuel source.

Oh, and Bin Laden would probably be in the Hague awaiting trial.

Bush has no hope to be remembered well in the history books. No hope at all.
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MrModerate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 09:42 AM
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3. I can't agree . . .
Edited on Wed Dec-21-05 09:42 AM by MrModerate
Bush had stacked up enough crimes in the first four years to pretty much rub out the "with a good heart" notion. With Kerry in office, the executive order putting the Reagan/GHWB papers out of reach would have been overturned by now and Reagan would be seen as the crook (and GHWB the tool) that they were.

Not to mention a small matter of an executive order authorizing warrantless spying on Americans.

Kerry would be trying to fix the disaster in Iraq, and the whole country would know that Bush had left a burning sack of shit on the national doorstep.

Every second Schimpanski is in office is an invitation to further disaster.
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BobRossi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 09:47 AM
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7. Partially agree.
Except Kerry would be defending his actions from the third month on. The gop controlled senate and congress would have turned the fire houses on him.
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MrModerate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 09:51 AM
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10. No doubt, it would have been a tough row to hoe . . .
With the Congress in 'Lican hands. But the power of the presidency shouldn't be underestimated. And it would be Kerry replacing Rhenquist and O'Connor, and wouldn't THAT be a different story! -- As well as being a trap for the 'Licans. They could hardly hold up a SOTUS nominee without paying a price.
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Lost4words Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 10:00 AM
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13. Yup, just like they did to clinton, and it never stopped.
with very little defense from other dems.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 09:46 AM
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5. Yeah, that's worth another 4 years of flushing the constitution
down the toilet.

Destroying the economy

Pushing through crap bills in congress

War, fear & theocracy


Arguably, getting some Dems in power would accelerate investigations into all the crimes & lies of the Bushies.....
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 09:46 AM
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6. I understand, but nothing is gained by losing. Fact is,
Edited on Wed Dec-21-05 09:47 AM by Inland
Bush's place with the right wing enterprise is going to remain that he only did what he thought was best, if not actually best.

In the meantime, people die.

Plus, Bush knows that another repug administration is needed to bury all his bodies. I mean, these guys made it seem like Clinton trashed the white house, and it was all made up. What do you think a dem successor can do with the truth?
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 09:48 AM
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8. Er no. I wish with all my heart Kerry had won
It is mind-boggling all the damage Junior and his crew have done to the nation and the world since Nov. 2004. It hardly seems possible that so many of the good things about America could be reversed so quickly.

I also believe Junior gave the nut cases of the country an open forum for hatred and a power they never had before. That was evident the day after Kerry conceeded.

Right after the election Junior's army flattened Fallujah. It was the most horrendous thing I have ever witnessed. And for what? It was only a turning point in terms of loss of life. Nothing was gained from it.

Kerry would not be set to nuke Iran and Syria either. Would he?

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fencesitter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 09:48 AM
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9. And Bush's Approval Rating is Up
???????
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 09:51 AM
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11. I agree that fearless Leader will look bad
from a historical standpoint but when I look at all the damage that he and his cronies have done, I don't think it was worth it. He screwed up enough in his fist illegal term to earn him a place in the hall of shame.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 09:53 AM
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12. I'm not. Sorry.
I see KAtrina victims in my sleep. I think a Prez Kerry would have been more compassionate toward those who are suffering now from the neglect and indifference of the Rethugs. That, plus the Supreme Court appointments.
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O.M.B.inOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 10:09 AM
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14. 1: Kerry did win. 2: Is this satisfaction more important than *'s damage
I also take satisfaction in the continued exposure of the corrupt Bush thugs, but even a truthful historical legacy isn't as valuable as the thinks these punks destroy -- innocent lives, irreplacable natural resources, America's reputation, the integrity of the presidency, billions of dollars, many many humans beings' opportunity to fulfil their essential human capacity. The fuzzy feeling of impeachment couldn't match the value of this ongoing pain, poverty, misery, and death.
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MrModerate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 10:47 AM
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16. Re: America's reputation . . .
I was overseas when Schimpanski stole 2004, and all my European acquaintances were barraging me with questions like: "How can Americans be so stupid? Don't you realize what this vicious moron has done to your country?"

I could only stare at my shoes and acknowledge that many Americans are easily led, especially by master spinmeisters like Rove & Co., and point out that the 'Licans had control of the voting systems in many parts of the country and that the results were not to be trusted.

My local acquaintances then pointed out: "OK, if that's the case, we're ALL screwed -- you'll never get this pack of mad dogs out of power."

It was a very depressing time.
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