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PennyMan Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 05:44 PM
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Kerry Calls for Bush Impeachment if Dems Retake House
MA. Sen. John Kerry said last night that if Dems retake the House, there's a "solid case" to bring "articles of impeachment"
against President Bush for allegedly misleading the country about pre-war intelligence, according to several Dems who attended.
Kerry was speaking at a holiday party for alumni of his WH '04 bid.

Here Is The Link:
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/13004
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 05:47 PM
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1. best news of the day--rec'd
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 05:57 PM
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2. yeah, but his aide said that he was "only joking"
Edited on Thu Dec-15-05 05:58 PM by WI_DEM
well I hope not.
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chelaque liberal Donating Member (981 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 06:06 PM
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3. Well let's get busy. What stronger incentive can there be to
get involved ?
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 06:07 PM
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4. but was he only joking or what?
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 06:07 PM
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5. Too little too late, frat boy.
God, that man is such a born follower! If he wasn't 6'4" he'd have never been nominated.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 06:19 PM
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6. Yeah...riiight....
..that and Kerry being a tried and true Democrat for over 30 years and a decorated war record...as well as a firm grasp of the issues...and with his investigations of the BBCI Scandal and the Iran Contra Scandal as a nice little bit of evidence that he does care...

What's your problem dissing Kerry? You have a problem recognizing your allies?

Maybe you disagree with John Conyers when he wrote:
"...I have been so proud of the Kerry-Edwards campaign’s ongoing involvement in the investigation and litigation of what went wrong in Ohio."

(http://www.conyersblog.us/archives/00000213.htm)



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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 07:16 PM
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7. Well, the man you support, followed Kerry
into the Democratic party ... after about, say, 50 YEARS! (Peggy Kerry talked about her little brother collecting money for Stevenson in 1948 when he was a cute little 5 year old.)

In terms of the DSM or the demand to do Part 2 of the intelligence investigation, Kerry was in the lead. (I think one Senator briefly mentioned the DSM before Kerry - so that means he's only ahead of 98 Senators.)
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 08:29 PM
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10. Classy.
Please, I beg of you, for the sake of our side--learn to read. Engage your brain. Get acquainted with the facts. Then stop trashing our own. No one gains from that, especially not you.
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 08:35 PM
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11. I'd Vote for Senator KERRY in a New York Second!
Today and again tomorrow, too. He's a statesman & I think he's been doing more as a Senator along w/Kennedy, Conyers and but a few others, then any other.

Let's not trash our own. We get enough bashing from the other side of that wicked aisle.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 08:49 PM
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13. You can't be refering to Kerry-he's a true leader! n/t
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 07:34 PM
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8. This is why Rove has control of the Katrina Reconstruction/Slush Fund.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 08:26 PM
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9. FINALLY, KERRY!!!! My new hero!!
Somebody had to finally say it out loud. Next would you please recommend the hague and world court. If you do, I'll love you forever. :loveya:
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 08:42 PM
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12. You go John. I think that this is TOTALLY Unambiguous!
Holy Cow!!!!!
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 08:52 PM
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14. His office shortly after the blog was posted, retracted the statement —
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 10:54 PM
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22. Damn! Too bad! n/t
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 10:58 PM
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24. Bask in this reaction from the GOP though
"NC Communications Director Brian Jones responded to Senator John Kerry's call for presidential impeachment with the following statement:

"With his impeachment advocacy last night, John Kerry once again showed how out of touch he is with American people and how in step he is with the far left fringes of the Democrat party. For one of the leaders of the Democrat party to begin a push for presidential impeachment, in seriousness or jest, on the eve of the Iraq elections is both foolish and shortsighted."

Yah, if Kerry's far left so is more than half the country.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:03 AM
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25. Right, like he was"joking"
The explanation by Wade, who I like a lot, was rediculous. "Impeachment" jokes have never been common fair here in DC, even in political circles. That's like saying Judges go around joking about the death penalty. He was spinning some amazing BS there.

We'll see.

Someone needs to break the ice besides the internet activists, Big Ed, Hartmann, BradBlog, etc.

...hmmm...who will it be?
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 02:23 PM
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30. It's called a trial balloon
And they are almost always unofficial, off-the-record statements.
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 08:54 PM
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15. If he was serious do you think
Edited on Thu Dec-15-05 08:54 PM by TallahasseeGrannie
this might backfire? Would the GOP have more success running in 06 on a "PROTECT BUSH" platform rather than the real issues? I wonder if there are folks who just don't want to live through that mess again?
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 10:56 PM
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23. It appears to have been an off-hand remark someone blew
out of proportion.

Along the lines of him meeting a group of supporters and wistfully saying "I wish I could send you all to Ohio."

An offhand, joking comment, with a grain of serious truth.

Either way, amusingly enough, the GOP is calling Kerry out of touch and far left for having said it even in jest.
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 08:26 AM
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28. Okay, I get it
btw, I love that picture in your sig line. Kerry had (has, actually) amazing eyes.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 09:17 PM
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16. It sounds like the Repubs have spies everywhere in an attempt
to discredit Kerry.
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RazzleDazzle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 09:33 PM
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17. Now, how long before he denies having said THIS?
Hmmmm???
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 09:55 PM
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18. Read his Nov 14 speech from the floor of the Senate
He questioned how Republicans could impeach a President for lying about sex and not be concerned about a President misleading the country into war. That whole speech - other than the first 2 paragraphs talking about Bush abusing Veteran's day seems an indictment of how Bush mislead us into war. It brilliant.
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Dunvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 10:06 PM
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19. My Canadian SIL and MIL were in NYC last week...
...to go to an event and decided to take in a Broadway show; Peter, Paul and Mary.

Well, who was at the curbside waiting for someone...yes, Kerry his-very-own-self.

My SIL, Janet, who is very independent (means, ideas, politics) marched over to him and said,

"Sorry about your Presidential loss."

Kerry said, "So am I."

She then said, "Although I'm a Candaian, I'd have voted for you."

Kerry said, "Much appreciated. Don't give up just yet."

Me? I worked for the man, and find this to be a wonderfully human exchange.

And, I wonder just exactly what he meant.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 10:11 PM
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20. What a nice exchange
It must have been strange for your mother and sister in laws to run into him like that. He really seems very approachable.
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Dunvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 10:49 PM
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21. I thought it was interesting...
Edited on Thu Dec-15-05 10:52 PM by Dunvegan
...I remember wondering if the Secret Service are still shadowing him?

Janet just strode up to him and engaged him in a brief exchange.

She said he was very straightforward and kind...looked a little tired, but very direct, intelligent, and approachable.

(Edited to say: I bet he'd have spoken to Cindy Sheehan, too.)
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 03:56 PM
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34. He did meet her in his Senate office
He had issued a very nice statement when she was first outside Crawford that softly suggested that Bush should speak to her.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 06:10 PM
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38. I remember that. He told Cindy she was saving lives
She was sorry she'd voted for him in 2004, but thought that he was having a change of heart. She was impressed enough to put him on her hall of fame page, which doesn't look like it is up anymore, now that I go looking for it.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 03:06 PM
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31. Wow. Just wow.
Thanks for this, hope is springing eternal.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 06:57 PM
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41. If the machines get exposed, I wonder if the American people will demand
Bush leave office.
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 03:30 AM
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45. What a wonderful story -
He's an amazingly down to earth, friendly, and approachable person. Totally puts you at ease.
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Nutmegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:06 AM
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26. That's interesting...
Hopefully it's more than a joke.
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 02:01 AM
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27. Doubt it was a joke
I don't think it was a joke. I think he probably meant those comments to be a shot across the bow of * to rattle him. Sort of like I know what you did and we're coming for you whenever the opportunity presents itself. The "it's just a joke" thing is to dismiss reporters and the media from over blowing it. At least this is just my wishful thinking take on it. If Kerry pushes for impeachment I will change my mind about him and vote for him because he will have proven himself a relentless, cagey, righteous fighter.
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VaYallaDawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 08:48 AM
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29. It probably was exactly that, a "shot across the bow."
People in Kerry's position seldom make statements in public (even in semi-private public settings) without being aware of their impact. And an earlier poster above was correct too - the word "impeachment" is almost never used in jest in DC power circles. When that word gets uttered it's like a fork dinging on a glass at a banquet - people shut up and listen.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 03:07 PM
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32. My sense also: Game ON.
Be still my heart.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 03:11 PM
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33. Sort of like Triumph the Insult Dog
"I keed, I keed!" Only you know he was serious. Probably wanted it reported too. But since it was only a shot across the bow, he says "Heh, just kidding." I don't think the GOP took it as a joke though. They're calling him out of touch and fringe for even talking about it even in jest.

Which is what I find truely hysterical, personally.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 05:26 PM
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35. Can't wait for the excuses you make for him when he apologizes!
You guys are amazing. Talk about your pretzels!
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 05:58 PM
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36. I talk about other things too
"Kerry, Pryor, Obama Provision to Help Troops Save Thousands on Their Taxes Passes Senate"

"Sen. Ted Stevens defends tactics for opening Arctic refuge to drilling ... Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., has threatened a filibuster. He said Stevens tactic would "hold our troops and hurricane victims hostage" to drilling."
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frogmarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 06:09 PM
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37. I don't think Kerry was joking
As another poster mentioned, he was probably sending up a trial ballooon.

is the deal with posters who can't resist bashing Kerry despite all the good he's done and is doing? He's not the enemy, people...unless instead of Democrats, you're a DU infestation of repugs.
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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 06:21 PM
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39. It never fails, frogmarch.
When the OP say 'Kerry', the flapping bird can't be far behind leaving droppings.
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 03:39 AM
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47. HAHAHAHA
Maybe he'll get caught in an airplane propeller.
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karendc Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 06:25 PM
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40. One more time
I was there. He said the word with a twinkle in his eye and a wink. He knows it gets people going. These were friends.

What does it mean? It means he knows how bad the Bush regime is. He knows the damage done. He said to us, "if you think it looks bad to you, think about how it looks to me!" We laughed.

The man is fine, thank you. He is fighting the crap every day, he works hard, he is focused.

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soliddemocrat Donating Member (42 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 08:25 PM
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42. I bet these people are a bunch of republicans
I bet the people who post all this trash are nothing but a bunch of republicans who don't even know their right from their left. They couldn't even tell world peace from a ravaged world and society. Which is sad really because i was really hoping that the people on these boards would have the brains or the mental development to actually be able to process the information. Let alone the facts that John Kerry is a solid left wing Democrat and that the Election was hacked in the year 2004 by President Bush. But apparently it's not just Bush that is corrupt anymore but all this trash that has come across the internet has corrupted the American people and seeped into the left wing party that not even the left wing liberals know what to think anymore. They've become so mentally brain damaged that they don't even know what's right. Well let me put it this way for you plain and simple people DEMOCRACY AND LIBERALISM=WORLD PEACE AND BOOMING ECONOMY, REPUBLICANISM AND CONSERVATISM=POVERTY AND A WORLD RAVAGED IN WAR AND MANY DEATHS. WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW AMAZING, who ever knew it could be so simple? :) So anyways next time you vote for a President of the United States what do you want out of life? Do you want World Peace and a Booming Economy? Or do you want Poverty and a world ravaged in war? personally i would prefer world peace. But obviously there are too many stupid people out there to realize just how bad President Bush has made this country and their IQ's get dumber and dumber as dumb as the Presidents that next thing you know they won't know who to vote for when the 2006 or the 2008 elections come around because they've spent so much time being corrupted by the President and Congress. WAKE UP AND SMELL THE SANKA DECAFFEINATED ALREADY PEOPLE IF YOU DON'T VOTE ON A DEMOCRATIC TICKET AND VOTE FOR JOHN KERRY DURING THE NEXT ELECTION OR FOR SOMEBODY LIKE HILLARY CLINTON THEN WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET A GOOD DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT IN OFFICE TO TAKE DOWN PRESIDENT BUSH AND HIS CRONIES. My god what a pathetic bunch of losers. I hope to hear from you soon,good luck in all you do.
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 03:38 AM
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46. Some of us...
Edited on Sat Dec-17-05 03:46 AM by Vektor
Ok, MANY of us totally agree with you 100%.

Your choice of words is a bit harsh, but the sentiment...

Yeah, we get it.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 09:24 PM
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43. trial balloon,joke, sarcasm - what happened to straight talk, consistency?
Remember consistency? Integrity? Courage?
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madmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 09:32 PM
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44. Now you're talking
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