Bev Harris of BBV coming on Artbell show....on next!

[Digit]

If you do not know your local radio affiliate who carries the Art Bell show free, aka coasttocoastam....go to their site...artbell.com and look under affiliates.
To get online stream, it costs money.
I am listening to my local affiliate right now. It is on an AM station.

[Digit]

1. She is talking right now about Diebold...n/t

[kster]

6. Good for her , go get em Bev ! ..nt

[liberalnurse]

133. Bev is not creditable.....

She has self-serving interest at heart. She has burned DU and DU members past and present. She has a Tombstone by her name. She lives on the Dark Side......

All have been warned.

[Bozita]

2. Wally O'Dell is the topic

Shame on me for listening.

[saracat]

3. She is not exactly either credible or a DU favorite.

After what she did on DU and to many DUers why would anyone want to listen to her?????

[kster]

4. To some.nt

[saracat]

7. As she is not welcome at DU it would appear it is more than just to "some"

Her viciousness to Andy before he died was enough to render her persona non grata with most posters who didn't already despise her. I am sorry but it sickens me when anyone tries to promote this woman in anyway esp on DU.JMHO.

[Digit]

14. I was one who donated for Andy's operation even tho I was unemployed

I don't know of the battles you speak of.
Don't denigrate me for trying to do anything to get rid of these damned machines.
Put squabbles aside and look at the big picture.

[saracat]

17. I don't denigrate you. It is Ms. Harris I have no respect for.

You are wonderful to pay attention to this issue, but she is not a good source.

[IdaBriggs]

61. Heads up -- she caused more problems in 2004 investigations

than she helped. I know. I was there.

[jbnow]

99. You sure were there Ida

Thank you.

In the end what impression did you have of the 04 vote after your recount? That might be too big a question.
But thanks for your work.

[Kelvin Mace]

80. Thank you for helping Andy

But Bev did her damndest to slander Andy and made his last weeks on earth Hell.

[kster]

15. 34 votes and counting

on this thread alone

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

I think people are getting tired of the anti Bev stuff, it's getting VERY VERY OLD. And quite possible a little silly.

[saracat]

16. Really? I just don't think such viciousness and deceit

ought to be forgotten. And Life and Death, is not something to be made light of. And many newer members are unaware of who Bev REALLY is.

[Digit]

19. saracat, I acknowledge your loyalty

I am sorry if this offends you. I miss Andy, too.
I only have the best interests of our country at heart, so that is why I shared.

[FreedomAngel82]

38. If someone lies and cons you like that in the past

how can you ever trust them again? I've been lied to time and time again so I know how that feels. How can you ever trust that person again? Even if you do you still have that deep thought in your mind that they might be lying to you again.

[Horus45]

73. Yes, just like trusting an alcoholic, you know you're gonna get burned...

again and again.

[BlueIris]

139. Ouch. I feel that. And that's

an adroit analogy for this situation.

[Gemini Cat]

20. I won't forget. Ever.

[proud2BlibKansan]

21. Death is silly?

Cancer is silly?

Preventing a sick man from getting LIFE SAVING medical care and being angry about that is silly??

[FreedomAngel82]

40. And don't forget what happened at Free Republic

[proud2BlibKansan]

59. Methinks they are again bringing that stupidity and hatred

over here.

[Burning Water]

65. What happened at Free Republic?

Inquiring newbies want to know.

Thanks

[Kelvin Mace]

82. Here you go

The Bev Harris story for newbies and those who have forgotten

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[Burning Water]

126. Thanks n/t

[LittleClarkie]

22. The news is getting the votes

not Bev.

[EFerrari]

76. Considering how horribly that grifter behaves at every

opportunity, I wonder what you think "silly" means.

[Kelvin Mace]

81. You know, people are getting tired

of all this anti-Bush stuff. It is getting VERY VERY OLD.

[ProSense]

84. People are getting tired of the anti-bush stuff? Huh? n/t

[ProSense]

85. dupe n/t

[EFerrari]

109. And a little silly. I mean, he says he champions democracy

and freedom. Just get over it.

[FreedomAngel82]

35. Don't forget conning people

and just plain lying.

[Digit]

5. I know, but anything to bring attention to the problem is welcome

There are tons of people listening to this....I like that.
More awareness is necessary. I don't care who the messenger is.

[saracat]

8. I do. She discredits the cause that Andy fought so hard for.

[shance]

23. Stop it Saracat. Bev has done a tremendous amount for the fraud

of evoting.

She was instrumental in awakening America. Of course Andy was a tremendous partner and help, as others, including myself were, in that regard.

I am sick and tired of the chip on what you all draw like a badge. It hurts America and our power as voters.

I respect tremendously what Andy, Bev, and others have done.

In case you havent noticed, WE HAVE WORK TO DO!!!

And a hell of a lot of it, as well as real opposition who banks on cheating.

THEY are the opposition.

We don't need more as well SC.

[saracat]

28. Um, in case you haven't noticed,

Bev havs ben working with the opposition by her own admission. She posted about her GOP ties on her site. But whatever.And Bev did very little except take credit for others work. She is NOT entitled to respect. Sorry.

[LittleClarkie]

36. Criticizing Bev is hurting America

Gotcha.

Shall we wrap her in the flag and hum "Glory, Glory, Halleluia", or would you like to?

Honestly, that line of thinking reminds me of what the Right Wingers say about the president. "Why do you hate America? Why are you a hater?" and all that.

But hadn't you heard. Dissent is patriotic.

She does not personify the fraud investigation. Criticizing her will not hurt the fraud investigation. Frankly, most people don't even know her, even those I've met who believe the election was stolen.

[FreedomAngel82]

43. Lying and conning and smearing other good people doesn't help

does it? I don't think so. Anyone can look up her past and see what all she has done and once they find out do you think they're going to believe her about voting fraud? I don't think so. She's a con artist herself. From someone who has only had liars as so-called friends excuse me while I don't jump on the band wagon. There are other people working on the fraud case who you can trust such as BradBlog and John Conyers. Their trackrecord is much better than hers.

[IdaBriggs]

62. Bev Harris has ZERO credibility with anyone who knows about

her activities in the 2004 election investigation. Yes, we have work to do, but do not look to Ms. Harris for help -- she is a self serving money grubbing individual. I was there; I know.

[Stephanie]

67. Is that why she took the CA qui tam money and ran?

Preventing the evidence from ever being used against Diebold? She's a SCAM ARTIST, she's a HUSTLER, a GRIFTER, a FRAUD. She's not on our side, as you will learn to your regret if you get involved with her in any way.

[Kelvin Mace]

86. To correct the record

She was instrumental in awakening America. Of course Andy was a tremendous partner and help, as others, including myself were, in that regard.

She has got a lot of publicity, but she did so by stealing the work of others and taking credit for it. She has made a lot of money and still not revealed what she did with it.

In case you havent noticed, WE HAVE WORK TO DO!!!

Indeed. So please keep Bev out of our way so we can do it. Talking to Art Bell does NOT help this movement. Until she turned to libel and slander as a way of life, Bev used to be quoted by CREDIBLE reporters and mainstream commentators. We do NOT need to be seen as having ANYTHING to do with this woman.

It hurts America

I get that argument from the Right all the time when I attack Bush.

[Kelvin Mace]

83. Not when it discredits the movement

Every time Bev comes up, I get the same arguments:

1) "It doesn't matter if Bev libels people and lies as long as she stops BBV". (the ends justify the means).

Do I really have to explain to liberals why this is immoral?

2) "Bev said..."

We have heard Bev's claims. We have seen no evidence to back up these claims. We have been very careful to document our claims with links, and emails (Bev's own words). The word of someone caught in multiple lies is not "proof".

3) "Bev has saved the world, what have you done?"

*sigh* If you really wanted to know (and I don't think you do) you could avail yourself to Google and find out what we are doing. We never claimed to be saving the world, just fighting paperless voting the best we can.

4) "After all Bev did..."

Bev didn't do it on her own, she had help, LOTS of help. She rewarded the people who helped her by publicly smearing them.

5) "Prove to me that Bev..."

I've posted the proof. Read the links.

6) "No, point me to a summary or specific post that proves your case."

Sorry. Unlike Rush Limbaugh, we require our proofs to be read IN CONTEXT. Anything else would be unfair and deceptive. Reading and thinking is hard work. It's why we are liberals and not freepers.

It is regrettable this is necessary, but Bev's "help" is making our job harder.

[proud2BlibKansan]

9. Amen

I don't think we can trust her - at all.

[Digit]

12. I know you feel burned...but think about it

There are people who are not computer literate, who do not know what is going on, who are hearing of this for the first time.
Look at the larger picture. We need more people who are aware of the pitfalls of these electronic voting machines. This is only about that.
Awareness is the key.

[Bozita]

13. I'm still pissed too. But you're right.

[proud2BlibKansan]

18. Were you here when Andy was sick?

What happened to him and her involvement in it is one of the sickest, most despicable things I have ever witnessed in my entire life.

Yes, we need to educate ourselves and others about election fraud. But if this woman (I can't even type her name) is leading the charge, count me (and tens of thousands of other DUers) OUT. We will proceed in this work without this bitch.

[EFerrari]

75. It is precisely those people who need to be educated by

someone credible, someone who puts the effort before their pocket book, and someone who has a speaking relationship with reality.

[symbolman]

127. If awareness is the Key

then why not bring out an Elephant with "Electronic Voting is Fraudulent" painted on the side and take it to every event.. nevermind that it crushes furniture (and slow natives) and shits all over the place, giant shits, smelly, hard to get rid of..

Elephant snot everywhere.. sticking it's nose up ladies dresses, trumpeting while you are trying to talk about the ISSUES.. then it gets hungry and there's not enough food so it gets upset and starts taking apart the BUILDING.. and it just WON'T LISTEN TO ANYONE..

Yeah, there's your awareness alright, and perfect metaphor for Bev Harris making a mess of everything while people who KNOW what needs to be done are trampled underfoot, and elephant lovers are ecstatic, having never seen an elephant up close before and marvelling at it's power and strength..

Then a "BevBot" as they were called feels the leg of the Elephant and says, "I think it's a Tree.." Another feels the trunk and says, "I think it's a Snake.." Another feels the side of the Elephant and says, "It's a WALL.."

Yep, perfect Metaphor.. Oh and Keith Olbermann won't call her back because she shit all over HIS Staff, and "a few people on a discussion board" turn out to be tens of THOUSANDS, possibly at One board ALONE, not to mention the potential MILLIONS on AIr America Radio (Randi Rhodes show) who heard her LIE and BADLY, obviously CAUGHT LIVE doing it when she had FIRED a CANCER PATIENT who had just returned SICK from burying his own sister.. the LIE? Andy's firing was RIGHT THERE on the FRONT PAGE OF Bev's WEBSITE. When asked, "WHY aren't you in OHIO?" She said, "Nobody told me about it, or nobody told me to go there.." some RIDICULOUS answer like that and you could hear the GASPS fly up around the country as people realized in a split second that they had been DUPED and FLEECED, dragged through the MUD by their own HOPE..

Randi Continued, "What's this about a Movie you're making?" "Oh, someone else is making that movie.."(Someone that she had ALSO SHILLED FOR on the DU - I'm not blaming the Votergate people, they are FINE people and I've talked at LENGTH with them.. but it was her LIE about HER part in the film..) and Randi was pissed.. she said, "IF we find out that you've been making a movie with that money.."

The movie was going to be making money partly from Harris's shenanigans, dumpster diving, finding bags of something by a door of a polling place, milking the scene for the unwashed heathens that still believed and wanted desperately to believe that SHE had the "Smoking Gun" as Harris went from ONE UNSOLVED or UNRESOLVED CRISIS to ANOTHER, each time SHRILLY begging for MORE MONEY..

She charged into Theresa LePore's SUPRISE RETIREMENT party/dinner to "serve her" with Legal papers - which as anyone knows that's been in court for more than a traffic ticket is NOT LEGAL - if YOU file a Complaint, YOU CANNOT SERVE IT - so it was a SCREWY and DORKY Faux Michael Moore imitation, a poor one.. Besides, the Complaint had already BEEN SERVED..

SO here she is, barging into this Dinner/Party and talking about how Surprised & Angry they all were -- of course they were surprised & Angry.. SHE was Not what they were there FOR - She could have been any drunk that grabs the mike at a wedding and get the same reaction..

And the topper was that someone ELSE was filming the crowd, and they said, "THIS is what Democracy Looks Like.." Nope, this is what Assholes look like who are so crass as to embarrass those working without EGO and quietly (so as to TRICK the Enemy) behind the scenes to effect REAL CHANGE in Voting..

Since someone ELSE was filming, and refused to give up the film except to a TV station (more chest thumping for effect), it also became the nifty "can't win" situation when it came to argueing WHO was making the film VoterGate.. the filmer that night wouldn't release the footage online for us ALL to see, so there was no Proof, really.. they would ONLY give it up to a TV station (who didn't want it), and of course it could later be handed over (maybe even for a price or barter) to the Votergate folks to ad UMPH to their film..

BUt as usual NO ONE GOT ANYTHING OUT OF IT BUT HARRIS.. in the end SHE GETS GOODS, SERVICES, MONEY - and the adoring crowd? Nada, nothing, no PROOF of anything..

Claimed she had filed the largest Freedom of Information Act blast in History, 3000 or something like that, but when everyone (especially those who had handed over their Christmas money, etc) started making noises like, "Hey, anything come back on those FOIA's?" we all heard, "Oh well, we need MORE people to PROCESS THEM and that will take MONEY and VOLUNTEERS, and it may be months, years BEFORE we figure anything out.."

NO SMOKING GUN ANYMORE. Up in SMOKE, BLOWN UP everyone's ASSES..

But the best part is, she was doing it ALL (AND threatening to sue LOTS of people, especially those TRYING Desperately to HELP HER, as well as the DU!!) DURING THE DU'S ANNUAL FUND RAISING PERIOD!!!!

SHe was taking MONEY AWAY FROM THIS SITE - the site that *I* NEED, and others to maintain their very Sanity at times, a site FILLED with passionate folks who DIG DEEP (and they have for ME personally, and I have Delivered FILMS when I was donated to) for people Like ANDY, and others - TO ME, she was SCREWING THE DU OUT of FUNDING so they could help THOUSANDS Plan, work, do activist good, research, and have just plain old Bush ass kicking FUN now and then..

THat was the last Straw for me. I became VERY VOCAL, scared that I might get tombstoned for it, but I was NOT going to sit idly by and watch this BULLSHIT ARTIST Fleece my pals here.

Poor admin didn't know what to do, nice guys, they don't want to trash her or piss off all the BevBots, hell, maybe she DID have something.. but they didn't want to get SUED either..

So they did the right thing and kicked her ass to the curb (not in such a mean fashio, very gentlemanly and rational, fair as usual..)..

Believe it or not, I have heard that some were paying her 6 GRAND to stand up and talk at events - if I got 6 GRAND for showing up I would have had Rove's colon TIED IN KNOTS by now - cos I'm MEAN little turd when I see a bad guy, and Rove isn't as smart as he thinks he is..

SO there's the story, the Metaphor, the Facts, the opinions - some will agree with me, some won't - but that's what *I* saw, and that's what *I* reacted to - and I wouldn't change a WORD or action to this day..

And the Elephant metaphor gets even better since as SOON as she got the boot she was over in FREEPERLAND - the LAND OF THE ELEPHANTS! GOP, and trashing everyone on down to Adam before Eve came along..

It was Bizarre.. and poor poor Andy. Had he had HELP SOONER I believe he might have lived. But there was Harris running around Freeperville DISCARDING HUMANS, how did they react to this kind of example?

THEY started a SMEAR campaign and it killed him. These scum should have their very "Humanity" REMOVED by court order, meaning that a Judge would pronounce them as "UNHUMANS" and they could be used for Experiments - from left handed molecules to Maybelline Toxic eye shadow, and with NO RECOURSE..

Just like the Gitmo guys, NO Lawyer, NO rights - and that's just the way The FREEPS like it, FOR SOMEONE ELSE..

Yeah, they killed him, and she was not a good example.

Has she learned anything? Well, I don't think that's possible.. but have you/WE learned anything?

YOU BETCHA..

[ninkasi]

136. Thank you, Symbolman!

You have exposed Bev for what she is. She helped kill Andy, at least in my mind. Even if he would have died anyway, she certainly added much needless misery to a dying man's last days. For that, and that alone, I would have nothing to do with her. An evil person can not produce good. It's impossible. We will fight for fair voting, and we will win, but we don't need her. She is poison.

[orleans]

137. yea! you said it perfectly!

what a bitch she is--wonder how she got her heart removed and still manages to walk around. if she had done the right thing she would've been a hero. instead she's a volatile piece of shit who is probably off her meds.

[eridani]

55. She is still part of the election reform movement

We just have to deal with the fact that some people on our side are going to be assholes some of the time. This is true for any issue movement, and the work still has to come first. We don't need to give her money or support her in any other way, but it's pointless to stop her ongoing participation. The movement is way, way bigger than she is at this point.

Let's take a hint from Kucinich when he was campaigning for Kerry. Every time they tried to nail him about Kerry's IWR vote, Kucinich just firmly stated that it was Bush's war, period. If opponents of transparent elections bring up Bev's transgressions to discredit us, just refocus the discussion on the issue.

[crispini]

78. She is not an "asshole," to use your words.

She is a scam artist who is using the BBV cause to profit herself.

[Kelvin Mace]

87. She is NOT part of the legitimare

election reform movement.

You quote Bev Harris, you are written off as a nut. Why would I want to encourage her "participation" when this would involve helping her con people out of money, and slander those who disgaree with her.

[eridani]

134. If she wants to get Harri Hursti to hack the Florida machines--

--who is going to stop her? And if there is useful information forthcoming, why not use it? That doesn't mean I have to send her money or anything.

[Toots]

64. She apparently is fighting a cause we all say we champion

Sometimes even those on the right acknowledge right from wrong and fight against a wrong. She may be a freeper but she is dedicated to her cause and I hope she succeeds in her goal. I don't want paperless machines to register votes...I don't care who tries to stop it I will applaud their efforts.

[Kelvin Mace]

88. Bev Harris is dedicated

to lining her pockets with money.

[EFerrari]

104. I never signed up to champion BEVWORLD.

And, BEVWORLD is her cause, not election reform. She threw over CA voters pretty quickly when she was offered enough money to make it worth her while.

Before you applaud this fake, better make sure she is doing what she says she's doing.

[dpbrown]

119. I applaud the work she's done on black box voting

And if she helps to save our democracy, then I don't care what she's done on some discussion board.

[Kelvin Mace]

122. You don't care

that she has brought discredit to this movement? That she has taken money under false pretenses? That she worked with Freepers to attack a dying man? That she has lied repeatedly on THIS board? That she has threatened and smeared people on THIS board and threatened to sue DU for refusing to participate in that smear? That she has engaged im law suits that have HELPED Diebold?

[dpbrown]

128. Who's done more to publicize BBV?

I think it's whining.

[Kelvin Mace]

140. Sorry, Bev got a fair amount of publicity

at the start, then drove of every legitimate reporter who covered the topic. Now she gets the likes of Art Bell.

[Digit]

10. They will be taking callers next....

Anyone?

[saracat]

11. You don't seriously think DUers will call to talk to Bev after her actions

after the things she has done? It wouldn't be pretty if they did.

[shance]

25. You are hurting the progress of awakening Americans more than

Bev could ever do.

PLEASE IF YOU REALLY CARE ABOUT OUR VOTE, STOP IT***************

If you don't care about our vote, then knock yourself out!

[LittleClarkie]

29. The question would seem to be how much Bev cares about the vote

and how much listening to her helps when she goes into "Nixon" mode.

[saracat]

30. I couldn't possibly. She has tainted evrything she has been involved with.

Remember the opinion Keith Olberman and Randi Rhodes had of her. I respect both Randi and KO and they completly disrespect her. Randi makes no bones about the fact she feels Bev stole money from her listeners. And that is the tip of the iceberg. No one credible supports this woman. She is destroying the vote herself for her own ends.

[shance]

34. What concerns me more is your elation over the attacks over someone

who has progressed this movement to mainstream. Thats what concerns me is your desire to attack and assault someone over the progress of the truth.

[LittleClarkie]

42. I've seen enough paranoid dellusions out of the woman to

question her perception of "truth".

Mainstream my ass. Nearly no one knows who she is. I reckon it has been the grassroots as much as anyone. I've barely heard about her in a year.

Do you think she had anything to do with the head of Diebold quitting, or any of the other things starting to happen?

She burned her bridges here long ago with her Nixonian rants.

[shance]

46. Burn those that tell the truth LC**

If that makes you feel proud! Then glorify your attack!

[FreedomAngel82]

48. What truth has she told?

Excuse me but John Conyers has told more truth than she has!

[LittleClarkie]

51. And at least I've heard from him in the last year!!

Way more people than just Bev have been working on this issue. Someone is going to have to prove to me that she has been instrumental in anything at all.

[FreedomAngel82]

54. All she does is take work that other people have done

Like with what happened with Andy and others on that team. She's nothing more than a stealing con artist! Work with Velvet Revolution from BradBlog and John Conyers.

[LittleClarkie]

49. Perhaps you need to take Bev down from that cross

She doesn't look comfortable.

[Kelvin Mace]

91. Uh no,

that would be a Bev Harris tactic.

[TayTay]

114. That woman is a cruel hoax

And you're confusing a just cause with a singular person who has barnicled onto that cause in order to glorify herself.

[FreedomAngel82]

47. Progressed this?

I don't think so. OTHER PEOPLE did and she took credit for their work. If anyone did it was the people who did the work for her like Andy. Don't forget John Conyers and BradBlog and Clint Curtis. They've done more than she could ever do. And from her conning people she has tainted anything she would ever say in the future. And what happend with Andy, Free Republic and I read in this thread she has ties to the GOP.

[Kelvin Mace]

90. You seriously need to do some research

on Bev.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[FreedomAngel82]

45. Don't forget what happened with Olbermann

I remember reading what happened with that. Didn't she deny them an interview and smear them pretty bad?

[LittleClarkie]

52. And then Keith, who'd been sympathetic, had to back away from her

and say that maybe we'd all been conned. I don't think he'd wanted to take that position. But she gave him a bad feeling.

And I trust him way more than I trust her.

[Kelvin Mace]

92. She also caused Randi Rhodes

to swear she would NEVER help raise money for a cause on her show ever again after being used by Bev.

[ProSense]

79. I want to know why she's back?

I mean, trying to follow the crap she put forth for those many months gave me a damn headache. Her actions became more and more curious---running around as if she had some definitive proof that she would only divulge to some trusted source.

I don't care if she has continued on her careless path, but why is she resurfacing and again trying to garner the limelight? Is this it? Is she ready to save America?

Until she does, she is a distracting side show and an impediment (very minor one, as she will turn most people off) to progress on the issue.

[FreedomAngel82]

44. That's pure bull

And you know. There are other people working on this issue who have better credentials than her. As I said before anyone could look up her history all the way from conning and lying to what happened with Andy. I didn't know him but from someone who had a grandfather die of cancer what she did was disgusting and never forgiveable. I would never associate with a pure evil bitch like that. Work with John Conyers or BradBlog. Leave that con artist bitch out of it.

[shance]

53. No I don't know FA and neither do you.

What I do know and I was THERE in the very beginning, even before Bev**, and I will tell you that Bev got things moving to a level that few if any others did.

I say that not to canonize but to give credit where credit is due.

Of course there are others that are owed credence: Andy, Punpirate, redhawk, truthisall, david allen, johngideon, myself and OTHERS if i might be so bold, only into include people that cared about moving this deal forward.

We have years ahead of us, if people would only realize. This is the toughest battle we have going. The sooner people realize the opposition the better.

[FreedomAngel82]

56. But what did SHE do?

Nothing but take other people's work and claim it as her own.

[shance]

57. She did NOTHING FA? Were you there? She kept this movement moving

for whatever shortcomings she had. She inspired people to keep moving, keep questioning, keep searching. She was a leader, like it or not, however those who want to demonize or scapegoat her.

Bev made things MOVE. Bev helped bring attention to the crisis and put it on the map. She may not have done it perfectly. Fine. But SHE GOT PRESS. Others did not. I believe Andy would concur, whatever the disagreement was. I hope I am right. I saw most of what occured.

Criticize her or myself if you will. However, she did that. And that is what bothers me is those who throw the baby out with the bath water. I speak what I know to be the truth. I don't know about the full details of the accounting. If someone does, then please post it. However, I do know that Bev put this much needed issue on the map. And I believe we need to be grateful for that in my opinion.

Don't know what else to say other than I know of few if any things that are black and white. We should be grateful to Bev Harris.

[Stephanie]

68. Andy would NOT concur. Andy felt that Bev was literally out to murder him.

And I am not exaggerating. Andy's last days were made far worse by that woman and may she rot in hell for it.

[Kelvin Mace]

94. As one of the people who got burned

for whatever shortcomings she had. She inspired people to keep moving, keep questioning, keep searching. She was a leader, like it or not, however those who want to demonize or scapegoat her.

Her purpose for doing this was to make money. When people disagreed with her more sensational (and undocumented) claims, she smeared them. When they disagreed with her lying about "attacks" on her web site, she smeared them.

I was ALSO there in the beginning (though not on DU) and I can tell you that she talked a good game, but she did so for self-enrichment, not for altruism.

It is easy for people who have not suffered at Bev's hands to make this argument. If you had been one of her victims you would feel differently.

At least I am still alive to set the record straight. And while Bev Harris is regaling the Area 51 fanboys with "How I Saved Democracy, Chapter MLCXIV" the rest of us are actually DOING something. The last time Bev was involved in a legal action, I believe it was to collect a pay check.

I am never grateful to people who slander my good name and those of other honest people.

[EFerrari]

110. Bullshit.

What that grifter did was take credit for the hard of real activists and then, kick them in the teeth.

If you are grateful to Bev Harris, you either haven't been paying attention or you have a dangerously high pain threshhold.

[Kelvin Mace]

89. If you really care about the troops

stop attacking Bush.

Sound familiar?

[Algorem]

24. 'aw,this isn't about anyone in particular stealing an election;John Kerry

stole New Hampshire ya see.'(paraphrased the bitch)

[FreedomAngel82]

50. So now she is blaming the democrats?

OH yeah. I'm sure. So if that's true why aren't we in the White House? As I recall every single voting problem that has been reported was in favor of George Bush. Every damn one.

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

63. I remember a thread a long time ago (sometime after the 2004 election)

Where someone posted her comments she'd posted on Freerepublic.com where she'd all but accused the Democratic Party of
being the ones stealing votes in the 2004 election, and painted the Republicans as the victims.
I about threw up.
She just follows where the winds of fortune blow.

[Stephanie]

69. You can go to FR and search her posts

She posts as bevharris or bev_harris - search it, they are still there

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

71. And risk my sanity?

[Kelvin Mace]

96. See my posts

above on this.

[Kelvin Mace]

95. Yeah, she was blaming the Dems

shortly after being banned from here. This was required because she was then posting to Free Republic in hopes of getting money out of them.

[Algorem]

124. QUOTE- "Well,I'll tell you something that some people don't like to hear.

But,you know,I'm in the field a lot looking at what's going on with elections,and I think it actually slows the process of election reform down when we think that it has to do with George Bush rigging elections.This stuff started decades ago and it started on a local level and it is so entrenched that we have a pretty thouroughly broken system now.It's going to take a lot of work to fix what's gone on.And so,while Bush may have capitalized on some of the weaknesses in the system which make it fairly easy to manipulate,and by the way,Kerry might have also in this,especially in New Hampshire.It's not really about a particular candidate stealing elections,it's about a system that's became more and more corrupt and broken over many decades because we weren't paying attention."

George Noodly-"We just let it happen."

Harris-"Mmm-hmm."

-It's at about 3 minutes after Noodly starts talking to her again after the half-hour break and Noodly objects to caller calling Bush "Bush-Laden"

That was her answer to this question-"Bev,would you agree with me that the chief executive Junior Skull and Bones Bush-Laden and his cabinet,that comprise the New American Century.org,shouldn't they all be impeached and put away for life in prison?"

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/2005/12/13.html#d

[kster]

26. Andy , didn't care

if someone had the goods on the people who stole the election, Andy would not care if it was his enemy or any one of us that brought the thief down, He would be behind us or them (period)

[saracat]

31. In fact, he did care. One of the last things he did was to call Randi

Rhodes and set the record straight. And he was very clear about the work Bev did NOT do, and about what she did to him.

[kster]

32. I just said Andy cared..nt

[saracat]

33. No what you said was below

"Andy , didn't care
if someone had the goods on the people who stole the election, Andy would not care if it was his enemy or any one of us that brought the thief down, He would be behind us or them (period)"

What I am saying is that Andy DID CARE who the messanger was and he would not have personally supported BEV. It does make a difference WHO it is. But it will never be Bev so we don't have to worry as she has never accomplished anything yet. Seems she always needs "more money"!

[kster]

39. "He would be behind us or them (period)"

In other words if it was someone at the DU and/or Bev Harris that brought the election theft machines down , Andy would not say ,Bev Harris was mean to me so what ever evidence she has about the election theft machine has got to be wrong, or we should overlook it because Bev was mean to me. No, Andy was not built that way.

[LittleClarkie]

58. No, it would not be about "Bev was mean to me"

but if he was here he could shed light on what she has done, or hasn't done, for the cause, and what she has, or hasn't, taken credit for. And whether she was helping, or ultimately hurting, the cause with her various and sundry actions.

She took quite a bit of money and there are quite a few folks around these parts who feel like that money was wasted. That's their right.

[Kelvin Mace]

97. bev took in over $1 million

in the 30 days after the 2004 election.

That money has not been accounted for.

Her is some docs on some them.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Some of my links are broken and I am working on fixing them.

[Stephanie]

100. David I reposted your thread >

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[EFerrari]

101. "Mean"? "Mean" doesn't begin to cover the tab.

And it's pretty slimey of you to use ANDY to rehabilitate that vicious GRIFTER who owed him money that he and Termite desparately needed when he died.

I think this is about the worst kind of manipulation I've seen at DU. Here's your sign.

[Lerkfish]

72. are you channeling andy at the moment?

what is the basis for your assertion to know what andy would or wouldn't care about?
your own gut?
Or did he actually tell you before he died what you are now asserting?

[Kelvin Mace]

98. I spoke with Andy quite a few times before his death

and he was greatly hurt by the lies Bev told about him. He beleived she was destroying the credibility of the anti-BBV movement and the worst thing any serious activist could do would be to get involved with her in any way.

[EFerrari]

102. Can you BELIEVE that ANDY is being used to detoxify

THAT CRIMINAL?

It just takes my breath away.

[Lerkfish]

103. just to clarify: wasn't directing my post at you.

I KNOW you spoke with andy and when you say he felt a certain way, it has resonance with me as far as credibility.
But I felt this other person who was claiming to say Andy would feel this way or that, had no information on how they arrived at what appears to me to be an erroneous conclusion, just from my own limited exposure.

[EFerrari]

105. Natch. To use Andy in order to perfume that grifter is a very

very interesting strategy, isn't it?

[Lerkfish]

106. especially since she conspired to frustrate his cancer treatment and

hasten his death, yeah, but "interesting" is not the term I'd use.

[EFerrari]

111. BEVlike would be a better descriptor.

[Kelvin Mace]

107. Sorry!

long threads can result in confusion.

[Lerkfish]

108. no problem. I just wanted to make sure you got who I was talking to.

you, I have nothing but respect for, don't ever doubt that.

[Kelvin Mace]

120. I am honored, sir.

[Stephanie]

123. How dare you speak for Andy

Andy cared very much about the movement he dedicated his life to being undermined by a narcissistic maniac who in her spare time did what she could to ruin his life too, what was left of it. I was with Andy while he was working with Bev, and after he was "fired" - and as she continued to attack him WHILE HE WAS DYING. He slept on my couch many times and he and his SO stayed with me while he was waiting for his surgery and Johns Hopkins that had to be RESCHEDULED thanks to Bev's Freeper Friends that she ENCOURAGED in their insane persecution of very sick man and I am crying just thinking about it now. How DARE YOU PRESUME TO SPEAK FOR ANDY. I KNOW EXACTLY HOW ANDY FELT ABOUT BEV. AND BEV KNOWS IT TOO.

[autorank]

27. Beam me up Artie!

Didn't he quit radio for a while because the aliens were approaching his Jet Stream compound in the NV desert? He's a trip...way out.

[Digit]

37. Art is rarely on anymore...George Noory is the host most of the time

He is pretty decent.

[autorank]

41. You're right. He is pretty good.

Middle of nowhere in NV, that's frightening enough already. This should get a new boatload of people on the election fraud bandwagon.

[progressoid]

60. Oh Great - Art Bell - Now that gives this some CREDIBILITY.......NOT!

Now we can include Diebold & voting irregularities with Mel's Hole, Area 51, and chemtrails! WooHoo!

[mopinko]

66. bev did not help the cause. the issue came to the fore because

our elections were being stolen. period. bev did more to advance the claim that we are a bunch of tinfoil hat loonies than anyone on the planet.
i am always amused how many of her defenders either have no profile, or have a handful of posts after being members for a year or more.
she is a HUGE net loss to the movement.

[info being]

112. I was here when this idea broke, and it was Bev who broke it

[EFerrari]

113. Yes, that grifter is very good at manipulating public attention.

Now, tell me, whose idea was she stealing that time?

[Stephanie]

118. Actually I did.

I was here talking about this before Bev was. This is one thread but there were earlier ones. Bev did not invent this movement. She just exploited it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[merh]

70. Bev Harris has only harmed the election reform cause.

She has milked folks out of thousands of dollars with no accountability and worse, with no results. Broken promises at a high cost.

She stole the collective research of several here and "wrote" a book and made a profit, not giving credit to any that provided her with her thoughts, she threatened DU with lawsuits and tormented many on this board.

She is a joke - no credibility - she is smoke & mirrors, "pay attention to me, support me and we will bring about election reform" -- NOT.

She has done shit.

What has she done with the "evidence" she collected in Florida, what has she done to further election reform.

My contact with real people, officials in the positions in their counties, cities and states that are responsible for conducting elections, tells me that folks think she is a kook and anything she tells them has to be weighed with a pound of salt.

Go away with your Bev Harris, bad self - she is nothing to election reform but a distraction and joke.

[MrBenchley]

77. Neither did the Green and Libertarian parties

Their lawsutis pretty much guaranteed that the vast majority of Americans would write this stuff off as tinfoil-hat-type gibberish.

By the way, Art Bell? Did Bev Harris bring Chupacabre the goat sucker along to back her up?

[Lerkfish]

74. IIRC, through her settlement, she prevented actual action being taken

against Diebold. She got money, and Diebold skates.

She couldn't have done them a better favor unless she was getting paid by them under the table.

[FredScuttle]

93. Talk about a turd that won't flush

Bev Harris sold us all out a long time ago and now she's back for seconds. If you think she's sincere about election reform after the bullshit she pulled last year, I have a bridge in Brooklyn you may be interested in.

You don't forget who sold out and who pissed on a dying man.

[troubleinwinter]

115. She HARMS the movement...

The top elections official from a very large California county (a personal friend who is adamantly fighting against Diebold/black box and is PRO-Voter Verified paper ballot/random recount/proper auditing) told me that Bev has DISCREDITED the movement among California's elections officials. They have seen her in action and think she is a complete nutcase who ends up doing the opposite of promoting VVPBs.

We need as many election officials on our side as we can get. She scuttles that by her ugly antics.

[Walt Starr]

116. Ohhh how the mighty have fallen

She's now put the BBV movement clearly into the field of tinfoilhat nuttery.

Appearing on Art Bell's show. OH THE HUMANITY!!!

I wonder if she'll get some face time with John Titor, too.

[Stephanie]

117. Please read Bev Harris's posts at Free Republic

If any of you are confusing Bev with a Democrat, please stand corrected:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/user-posts?id=100516

[NorthELiberal]

129. So what if she posts on Freerepublic.............

eventually you are going to have to take the issue to the other side anyway...... Election fraud is a much bigger issue than any one discussion board.

[Kelvin Mace]

121. Speaking of actually working on this topic

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[Zhade]

125. Is she going to start lying about people again?

Silly me - did she ever stop?

And did she repudiate her place at Free Republic? Yes, she is a registered freeper.

FUCK Bev Harris. She's the worst thing that happened to the voting reform movement - which she became after a lot of us thought she was the BEST thing that happened to the voting reform movement.

She is untrustworthy now. To hell with her.

[LittleClarkie]

130. I'm still trying to figure out how showing up on Coast to Coast

amid the conspiracy theorists, UFO watchers and others that the mainstream would consider kooks means that she's getting publicity for the cause.

What's next, an ad in the Weekly World News? BatBoy appointed new head of Diebold?

(apologies to Bat Boy. He's a good kid, though he hasn't been the same since he ran for President.)

[Zhade]

132. That's like asking how a lying con artist who aided in someone's death...

...would have any credibility.

She doesn't. And this isn't "publicity", it's just fucking SAD.

[Algorem]

138. That Bat Boy's alright.

[Elidor]

131. I don't normally like to add to the dogpile

But there can't be too many condemnations of Bev Harris. She's an absolute sociopath, a vortex that consumes everyone and everything that comes within reach. She uses, she lies, she smears and then she sticks a knife in the wound when it's over. She is a discredit to everything she touches and should be shunned by all sensible people.

[Stephanie]

141. That's a perfect summary of all the arguments above.

And a perfect description of that woman.

[eridani]

135. Any social change movement attracts people like this--

ego-trippers, con artists, sociopaths, the merely difficult to get along with. I think we need to learn how to be good little TCP-IP packets and route around Bev and other damaged nodes. She isn't going to be the only one of her type.