How many more DLCbot Dean-bashing threads do we need this week?

[AntiCoup2K4]

Dean is right. Holy Joe, Hillary, and Big Al's Deluded Leeching Cowards are wrong.

End of story.

[wryter2000]

1. I was beginning to wonder myself

I emptied my ignore list a long time ago. I may start adding names.

[LittleClarkie]

2. (peter.puma)Oh, two or three(/peter.puma)

Are they bashing, or merely disagreeing?

[AntiCoup2K4]

3. Well, considering the shitstorm starts every time Dean counters......

...their PNAC driven traitorous agenda, I would say "Bashing". Definitely.

[LittleClarkie]

5. I will admit that it has been annoying me that both he and Kerry

have been getting disapproving looks for merely telling the truth about Iraq. Goodness, but we have to be careful how we put such things, doncha know. Don't want to offend anyone.

Miscue my ass. The war can not be won, AND we have been terrorizing women and children in their homes. They are BOTH right.

[stillcool]

4. Isn't it amazing how very gullible...

people are? If they hear it on Fox,etal...it's an issue. They swallow whole..not even bothering to chew. I don't understand how debating a fallacy is productive.

[closeupready]

6. I know, right? I love Howard Dean.

He's passionate, unapologetically liberal, brave. Bring it on, Howard!

[formernaderite]

17. Dean's problem....he's not OWNED by the power brokers

thus he doesn't speak like a politician...and they hate that.

[closeupready]

39. Yeah, he's too straight-talking for WA insiders.

who all seem to consider Condi Rice some kind of brilliant woman for two reasons: 1) she uses big words; and 2) nobody can figure out what she's actually saying.

Dean'll just put it out there, like it or not, tough crap, and I respect that a hell of a lot more than all these double-speaking, self-important politicos.

[okieinpain]

7. I'm still trying to figure out what dean said that was wrong.

[Warpy]

10. Nothing

They've bashed him for being "intemperate." For not "measuring his words."

Hell, it sounds like they're bashing some woman for being insufficiently ladylike to serve the cakes at a faculty tea.

Screw 'em. They still haven't said he's been WRONG.

[Cha]

18. Yet, when smirk gets up

there and lies And mangles his words..he's a he man.

So..Fuck the media.

[NuttyFluffers]

65. that's the hilarious part. his job is to be the lightning rod

so all this "not measured," "not tactful" crap is ludicrous. if he's getting media attention, and making GOP uncomfortable, then he's doing his job. period. end of story. he's not there to, as you appropriately said, serve tea and pastry delights with appropriate upper crust banter. he's there to kick ass, take names, attract attention. that way the rest of the dnc members lives are easier. but, nooooo, dlc wants to be castrated asses... well, fine, let them be castrated asses, i'm not gonna follow them; i'm gonna follow dean.

[MadisonProgressive]

13. He had the unmitigated gall to tell the truth

[MrBenchley]

26. And then he had the courage to do damage control

for his unmitigated gall....

[MrBenchley]

22. And the Republican ads using Dean's soundbite aren't a clue?

Not even a teeny tiny clue? That IS hilarious, er, tragic.

[okieinpain]

32. nope clue me in oh wise one.

[MrBenchley]

38. No, I won't....

Howard speaks for me (snicker)....

"We need a special task force of anti-terrorist troops stationed in the Middle East, because we're going to have to deal with Zarqawi for a long time…..We can only win the war, which we have to win, if we change our strategy dramatically. The Democrats are coalescing around a very different strategy. We hope the president will join us," Dean said on CNN.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/12/08/democrats.iraq/

[killbotfactory]

40. You realize you have to define "victory" before you can win, right?

Under Bush and his criteria, winning is an illusion. I doubt he even wants to win, it's much better to have some boogeyman on the loose scaring the populace so he can step in and say "Evurythin's all right. Go shopping. Daddy's gonna take care of ya (smirk)"

[MrBenchley]

41. Tell it to Howard Dean

"We need a special task force of anti-terrorist troops stationed in the Middle East, because we're going to have to deal with Zarqawi for a long time…..We can only win the war, which we have to win, if we change our strategy dramatically. The Democrats are coalescing around a very different strategy. We hope the president will join us," Dean said on CNN.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/12/08/democrats.iraq/

[killbotfactory]

42. Golly, I missed that quote the first time.

Dean's definition of victory is different from Bush's. Hence "I hope the president will join us"

[MrBenchley]

43. I'll post it again

"We need a special task force of anti-terrorist troops stationed in the Middle East, because we're going to have to deal with Zarqawi for a long time…..We can only win the war, which we have to win, if we change our strategy dramatically. The Democrats are coalescing around a very different strategy. We hope the president will join us," Dean said on CNN.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/12/08/democrats.iraq/

[killbotfactory]

44. Echo... echo... echo...

Compare and contrast
What is Bush's vision of victory?
What is Dean's vision of victory?

Nevermind, you'll just repeat yourself.

[MrBenchley]

46. Have to make sure important stuff sinks in

since some people seem not to be able to figure out very basic things.

[killbotfactory]

50. You are expecting complex ideas and policy to come from a soundbyte

Not gonna happen. Those things aren't allowed on network tv. It's not "sexy" enough.

[MrBenchley]

51. No, I'm expecting

that people will stop inventing idiotic conspiracies, screaming dishonestly about the DLC, and the like, just because Howard Dean fucked up and is now doing damage control.

Of course, that won't stop some people here from inventing idiotic conspiracies, screaming dishonestly about the DLC, and the like, but there's no sense in having unreasonable expectations.

[NMDemDist2]

8. oooo cool! haven't seen a good flamefest in at least

20 minutes

:popcorn:

[LaurenG]

9. I haven't read a post I agree with more today

I am a huge Dean supporter. Never shut up Howard, never.

[Justice Is Comin]

11. You could talk for twenty four hours straight

about reasons Bush should be hung for treason and never repeat yourself once. Dean does not need to say things other democrats need to explain. I'll say it again. His mouth does not get the message his brain told him to say.

[janx]

12. "Dean does not need to say things other democrats need

to explain"

?

Say WHAT? :shrug:

[JNelson6563]

15. Let me get that for you Janx

Ok, better now. Step away from the other poster, you got some little flecks of foam on ya there but I got it.

:toast:

[janx]

53. Thank you, Julie.

I couldn't find the Kleenex or the paper towels, and I didn't want to use my sleeve.

;-)

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[Writer]

16. Look what we have here - an alpha boy!

Frankly, your thread was an obvious display of hypocrisy in light of your suggestion that "anti-Dean bashing threads" have been voluminous of late.

How about we also toss out all the pro-Dean threads that seem to apologize for his remark that WRECKED the progress Reid has made in turning the Iraq issue around on the GOP? Remember how good it felt to have them on the run following Reid's clever push for the GOP to begin Phase II of the Iraq intelligence investigation?

Wrong or right, Dean wrecked that. Now the GOP can "wave the white flag" and stereotype us even more.

[AntiCoup2K4]

19. Reid was well on his way to being another Daschle...

...and then he realized that Democrats were responding favorably to those who had a spine, most notably Howard Dean. Now Harry's managed to find his own, which is a good thing. But I'm not sure exactly HOW you make the leap from Dean, Murtha, Pelosi, and others saying we need to get OUT of Iraq to Reid still demanding to know how we got dragged IN to begin with. It's two seperate issues. This stupid war could end tomorrow and they could still investigate how it started. The Pukes don't want to accept their responsibility. Neither do shitheads like Lieberman.

[wyldwolf]

20. I dunno. How many have there been compared to...

...threads that bash other Democrats by McGovernite Leftwing two percenters?

[MrBenchley]

21. By my count on the first page of THIS folder alone

There are right this minute TEN threads by "teen progressives" attacking the DLC, its members, or people they mistakenly identify as members....(not counting THIS one).

There's one thread complaining about Dean, and two that ask DUers about how they feel about Dean...

It's hard to see how some poor leftists stand up under that sort of relentless pounding.

And let's not even get into the sheer dishonesty being tossed about by our "teen progressives"....I can prove it, and when it turns out I can't, let's see you disprove it. If not, you're an evil Vichy DLCbot like Wolf Blitzer, just here to disrupt us from having a positive uplifting important thread about how much I hate popular Democrats (especially those who are up for election in 2006 and way-y-y-y-y-y ahead of their GOP opponents).....

[wyldwolf]

23. that's it!

These are the kids who were unpopular in highschool and hated the popular kids.

[MrBenchley]

24. Sure sounds like it, doesn't it....

That's why I coined the phrase...

[wyldwolf]

27. I'd been toying with something similar...

... when a leftwing McGovernite says the DLC can't win elections, my take is this: That's like a kid who couldn't find a date for the prom telling a kid who did go to the prom he's a loser for not winning Prom King. You can't win unless you go to the dance, and these "proooogreeeeessssiiiiveess" can't even get a date!

[MrBenchley]

34. LOL!

By the way...the Green party has all these swell far-leftist stances that our teen progressives want AND isn't in the least tainted by "Vichy/DINO/DLCbot/Centrist" impurity....wonder why our kids aren't flocking to them?

Oh, that's right. The Green party is toxic to voters and is lucky to stay ahead of the Christian Phalangists and the Transcendental Meditation parties down at the bottom of the ballot. The Greens couldn't even get enough signatures to get into the election in liberal NYC last year.

And by the way, if you want to talk about lame candidates who don't stand up for what their followers believe, the 2004 Green party presidential candidate, David Cobb, actually announced out loud that he'd withdraw from the race if the Democrats nominated Al Sharpton.

For that matter, REAL progressive Democrats have their own group, just as moderate Democrats have the DLC. Wonder how many of our teens can even name it? I know, becaue I used "Search" that threads promoting that progressive group are scarcer than hens' teeth, that they almost always have only a handful of replies or none at all, and that there are no attacks on them by moderate Democrats of the sort our teens mount hourly upon moderate Democrats and the DLC.

[MrBenchley]

25. By the way, guess the "Vichy Democrat"...

Business Week called him a Rockefeller Republican and praised the special deals he gave IBM; and today he told CNN "we have to win" the war and called for a bipartisan deal with Bush....

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/03_32/b3845084.htm

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/12/08/democrats.iraq/

No doubt it's one of those evil DLCbots trying to stab saintly Howard Dean in the back...because they're afraid he speaks for us teens!

[AntiCoup2K4]

29. Can't you two have your little chat via DLC company e-mail?

Or maybe just meet in the damn lunchroom, since you're probably both in the same office. :eyes:

[MrBenchley]

30. Have somebody explain to you how a public forum works

Slowly. Twice.

[Name removed]

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[wyldwolf]

31. last time I checked, we are both members of DU...

...for longer than you, I might add.

Now, you're not going to reply to this a engage me in a "chat" are you?

[AntiCoup2K4]

33. Longer than me?

I've been here since before the 2002 election, and lurked even before then. That generic "before July 2003" got attached to a lot of people when they migrated the board software. And I don't remember seeing you until about halfway through the 2003/2004 primary wars. But that's beside the point.

I just thought it was silly that two guys probably posting from the same DLC boiler room were carrying on a chat on this board, that's all :popcorn:

[wyldwolf]

36. uh, yeah

So, why do I have the generic "2002?"

Sure. We ALL lurked here a long time before joining.

It's even sillier that a bunch of little socialist revolutionaries are posting from their mom's house.

[MrBenchley]

37. I've got a generic 2001

But I had an evil DLCbot alter it...bwahahahaha....

I think the beauty of the "teen progressive" cause is the forthright honesty on display.

[High Plains]

61. You guys do nothing for your cause...

...with your snottiness and insults. But since your cause seems to be turning the party as far to the right as possible, I say keep up the good work.

[MrBenchley]

62. And yet I think I'll carry on despite your approval

and you can lump it.

[Cha]

55. ROFLMAO!!

"I just thought it was silly that two guys probably posting from the same DLC boiler room were carrying on a chat on this board, that's all" :popcorn:

[ncrainbowgrrl]

47. STOP IT!! (Please?!?!?!)

There are lots of members here at DU. There's no reason to respond to people with whom you have historically engaged in flamewars... Lots of good people here at DU- feel free to engage in a conversation with someone else!

[wyldwolf]

49. only when they do

[MrBenchley]

52. Be careful...

next you'll be told you're "doing no good for the DLC cause" by pointing out that you've been here since 2002.

[mvd]

54. Thread will have to be locked if both sides..

don't cool it

mvd
DU Moderator

[wyldwolf]

57. IMHO, threads like this should be locked

...when personal insults start. But why not tell the guy who made it personal and went off topic?

[mvd]

58. The moderator messages here are aimed at everyone

mvd
DU Moderator

[MrBenchley]

60. I don't see why threads like this are allowed to start...

How many goddamn times do we have to have this idiotic, childish and dishonest "I hate the DLC" crap posted?

As I pointed out, there's precisely ONE thread criticizing Dean (and not on the basis of ideology but on the basis of him opening his yap in such a clumsy fashion) and at least ELEVEN screaming about how unfairly the DLC or members of the DLC (including people identified as DLC members woh are NOT) are picking on him. And that's just in THIS folder.

[MrBenchley]

64. Look out Kreskin! Check post 61

[killbotfactory]

28. The repubs twist everything dems say

Did they not learn from the Murtha "cut and run" bullshit?

Get a clue DLCbots.

[HR_Pufnstuf]

45. Howard's opinion of this war has never changed.

What is all the noise about?


Open up corpodems, there is a big helping of crow headed your way.

[MrBenchley]

48. Yeah, it shows.....(snicker)

Howard Dean, 12/6/05: "The idea that the United States is going to win the war in Iraq is just plain wrong,"

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/12/06/dean.iraq/

Howard Dean, 12/8/05: ""We can only win the war, which we have to win....." Dean said on CNN."

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/12/08/democrats.iraq/

Geeze, Dean fucked up and now he's doing damage control. Is it REALLY so difficult for our "progressive purists" to admit that?

"Open up corpodems, there is a big helping of crow headed your way."
So by the clunky coinage "corpodems," do you mean someone like a politican who does special favors for IBM? The kind of Democrat whom Business Week might describe as really being Rockefeller Republican at heart?

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/03_32/b3845084.htm

[janx]

56. Why do you dislike Dean so much?

Why? And why do you continue to misquote him?

[MrBenchley]

59. Jeeze, that IS rich....

[Rainscents]

63. Too f$#king many!

[Neil Lisst]

66. There are more threads wailing about the DLC than about Dean.

The DLC is a boogeyman in your head. It has almost no power or influence. Politicians use it like they use going to church or eating tamales with their shirt sleeves rolled up. The DLC doesn't influence politicians, as much as it loves for you to think it does.

Dean is the DNC chair. He's a natural object of discussion. I don't blame him for the state of the world, any more than I blame the DLC. They're both legitimate objects of discussion by Democrats, and I understand why people want to talk about them and what they are doing.

If Democrats would advance party causes and candidates, instead of picking nonstop intraparty fights, we might not be sucking wind every election. We are plagued with too many people who never tire of pissing and moaning about other Democrats. I say when you're the minority party, you have no business getting picky about who you have on your team.

The Democratic party belongs to the country, to all who have held its banner up the past 40 years, and to all those people who don't agree with the leftmost half of the party. It's the Democratic party, and it's for everyone. If you're exclusionary, you're not thinking like a Democrat.