Another reason whatever "Hillary" does matters more

[Generator]

Because she's a Clinton. Because she was married to a president. Because she's already been in the white house for eight years. Because EVERYONE in this country knows who she is. She has as good of name recognition I would bet you as Kerry or Gore and they were actual presidential contenders.

That is unspoken reason why it so enrages "the Democratic wing of Democratic party" like I that she spends her energy, her name, her time on things that are so blatantly political and in essence, worthless as the flag burning statute.

She's in the league of a Kennedy. Everything-good or bad or indifferent she does is going to make news. She better spend her capital wisely because she is not helping the party she claims to represent. And that is why it enrages me so. She can get all the air time she wants. If she said she wanted the war to be over, she could actually have some weight in the world, instead it's all about her-and her political ambitions-and her future instead of ours. She's spending her capital on a fantasy-the fantasy of her being president.

[lvx35]

1. Because she really would have pissed the republicans off.

After the whole Monica Lewinsky thing, having Clinton's wife, the only actual victim of the whole affair, take the power and go back into the white house with Bill would be glorius. God they would be pissed! They hated her so!!!
But KNOWING that they hated her in their soul, she chose to move ever further right, to get on her knees to their base turning her back on her own. By this, she isolated us, and the repukes still hate her. It was a bad move.

[billbuckhead]

2. Her response is that you have to get elected first to do anything at all

Why is it that when Hillary reaches out to Red states in some way "we" don't like, it's some diabolical DLC plot, but when Dean does it, it's smart politics?

As far her votes on the war, I think she's actually thinking ahead to when she might govern. Hillary's has to plan ahead to actually standing up to all enemies, foreign and domestic. Why give away hardline positions that politicians need to win, and then to govern, if you don't have to?

[lvx35]

3. Because Dean's way is more appealling te alot of pople

Hillary reaches out to red states by doing things like making a huge fuss about a dirty patch to a video game (Grand Theft auto) in the middle of a war, while Dean does things like proclaiming democrats to be moral, values driven people. He just strikes me as more in touch with the seriousness of the situation. Worrying about the content of video games while all the Bush insanity is going on just makes her seem out of touch to a lot of people.

[Cha]

4. Much more appealing..

in a straightforward manner.

[billbuckhead]

5. Caring about kids is never out of touch with moral values driven people

I bet if you polled the great mass of voters, Hillary is more popular than Dean by a country mile.

[MrBenchley]

7. Exactly so....

Great post.

[Che_Nuevara]

10. censorship does not "help children"

Effective parenting helps children. Unfortunately, there are too many stupid parents in the US.

[noonwitch]

11. I don't support censorship as applies to adults, but...

I do think that stores shouldn't sell the violent and overtly sexual games to kids. That's why they are rated. Parents should make that decision. Blockbuster doesn't rent R rated movies to children, theaters are not supposed to sell tickets to R rated movies without a parent present, etc.

My parents were pretty lenient when I was a kid. We were allowed to watch whatever we wanted on tv (including HBO), read whatever books we wanted to read, and from the time I was about 15 on, no ticket seller ever questioned my age when I went to R rated movies. My mom never had any problem with us seeing "slob humor" movies that were so prevalent in the 70s and 80s. Hell, she took us to see "Animal House", and I was very young when I saw "The Godfather" (about 8) for the first time uncut. But most movies then were tame, as far as violence and sexual violence in particular goes-I had no nightmares from the horse's head in the bed or the dead horse in the dean's office. We didn't have video games like they have now, nothing interactive or realistic looking.

[lvx35]

14. Maybe, but she's not more popular to me.

I like Dean a lot more. With Hillary I always have the perception that she's responding to such and such focus group, and saying things that she thinks people want to hear. Its the fact that Dean sometimes says totally unpopular things that makes me trust him, makes me think he's speaking his convictions. Hillary reminds me of the disorder I was reading about, Histrionic Personality Disorder. People with this disorder are so desparate to be accepted and to be the center of attention that they just say whatever is necessary to be liked by whoever they are speaking to, with no deeper convictions of her own.

[Generator]

17. Good point on Dean

I said long ago, the guy is too real for this country. Too real and not soundbite worthy for president. Which is a shame. This is the country that called Reagan the great communicator. So whatever. I don't get it. I really don't. But Dean messes up even though I agree with him in essence almost always. Hillary is always plotting. I don't think she has the HPD that you mentioned. I just think she's very smart and always plotting what's best. Which isn't honest at all. Very political though.

[dsc]

15. I highly doubt that

I admit to having no polls upon which to base my doubts but given Hillary's gender and her ties to Bill "Monica" Clinton as he is not so affectionately known as by many a Southerner I have grave doubts she is much more popular than Dean is.

[sendero]

13. Because Dean goes out on a limb.

... when he needs to but Hillary never does. She's so bloody transparent.

[AZBlue]

6. What?? She's a politician. Your argument makes no sense.

"she spends her energy, her name, her time on things that are so blatantly political"

What?? She's a politician. What's she supposed to spend her time on?? Knitting? Baking? Writing screenplays for "Will and Grace"??

[Generator]

16. Jeez my thread is back so obviously

I realize she's a politician. But "playing politics" is the point of what she does. All she's doing is campaigning. Angling. And yeah, the point is to get elected to do anything-well she is elected. She's a senator and spending her time on things I believe are wrong in principle and for political gain for herself only.

And if this was THE ONE THING she needed and then, dagdarnit, she WOULD be a shoo in for president, then well okay. But it's not. It's a fantasy. I hate she's spending her time on a fantasy. She's lucky she's a senator. She's rode her husband's coatails into office and she's got a job. I'd prefer she do it. Now, if she never runs for president, I and all her detractors can eat crow. BUT if she's not doing this for political gain-then jeez-she hates flag burning? Oh who cares. I don't like it either but I'm not spending any energy to stop anyone from doing it. WHO is Hillary anyway?

But lol. She's a politician indeed. For all his many faults, and I KNOW he wants to be president, Kerry at least spends his energy and name recognition on stuff I care about. Not worthless stuff in the false hope that some guy who will never vote for him, will.

[mrgorth]

8. F her.

[killbotfactory]

9. It's bullshit triangulation nonsense

I guess we'll find out if it works

[0007]

12. The wait and see game is on!