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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 08:36 AM
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Don't look now... But Bush is starting to bounce back in the polls..
Edited on Wed Nov-23-05 08:36 AM by WCGreen
It's only a small increase and well within the margin of error...

Still, he appears to have bottomed out...

Let's hope that the recent revelations about Bush lying about Saddam and Al Q bring those numbers back down...

http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm
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Darkhawk32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 09:12 AM
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1. No he's not... two new polling companies suddenly appear and blam!
Better poll numbers.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 09:13 AM
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2. Cook is not a new company....
they just don't poll as much as the others cause they are not under contract with any big media outlet...
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 09:14 AM
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4. We don't have any recent numbers to compare them to.
It's important to do that in comparing whether or not his numbers are showing an increase or not and there are no numbers to compare them to.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 09:19 AM
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8. The link shows all the polls for the last month...
The trends...

I'm just saying that I think he has reached bottom for the time being...

Katrina clobbered him, big time.... The rest of the stuff was more of the same, drip, drip, drip.... That takes a while to have a corrosive effect...
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 09:25 AM
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11. Yes and movements that are within the range of statistical variance prove
what exactly?
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 09:28 AM
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12. I believe he will hover around 40 until something
worse comes along....

He isn't gonna ever get back near 50....

But I think his steep drop has stopped...
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 09:41 AM
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13. Well, if he continued at the rate he was going for another 9 months
he might have gotten into negative numbers. ;-) Seriously tough, bottoming out means absolutely nothing. All it means is that for the time being we have reached a floor of hardcore support.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 11:54 AM
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24. Exactly. Suddenly, this one poll shows up out of the clear blue sky...
and bam, Bush is again above 40%. Sound odd to me. Even Fox has him under 40%.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 09:13 AM
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3. Ummm....The numbers don't show that at all.
And besides, "bottoming out" at 35-37% is not a good place to be.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 09:15 AM
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5. You're right, of course....
There is no joy in Crawford today....

But still, he is recovering slightly from the Katrina plunge...
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 09:15 AM
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6. No he's not...check the trends (LINK)
http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob1.htm

The just-out Harris poll has him at 34%, a record low, and all others are trending DOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWN....
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 09:16 AM
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7. That was polled ten days ago......
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 09:21 AM
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9. Harris Poll was published on 11/17
http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB113216347138199155-5Z1Ri_om8ITUbV_jD2bx6maguMY_20061116.html?mod=tff_main_tff_top

5 days ago- polling period ended 11/13.

Anyway, the point is Chimp is not making a comeback. Have yourself a Happy Thanksgiving and look forward to the next round of pitiful numbers!
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 09:23 AM
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10. 23-13 equals 10
Edited on Wed Nov-23-05 09:23 AM by WCGreen
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 09:41 AM
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14. oh brother...
Diageo/Hotline 22-15= 7 days old
Cook Poll: 22-17= 5 days old

These are the latest polls at Polling Report, and the numbers don't reflect GM and Ford plant closings and layoffs, Woodward's disclosure about Plamegate and Fitz convening Grand Jury 2, among other things.

I am not going to get into a silly pissing match. I don't see that Chimp has hit bottom yet from the poll data coming in, and don't foresee that happening with the anti-war drumbeat getting louder in the MSM. And, the National Journal article published yesterday which says B*sh was briefed that there was no Saddam-al Qaeda connection 10 days after 9/11 has not gotten traction in the MSM- yet. But if it does, I hope the Chimp owns a parachute.
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 09:42 AM
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15. Wow, he's a real poll smoker.
:spank:
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kay1864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 09:45 AM
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16. How LOWWWWW can he go??
Wait until people get their monthly heating bills. :scared: :scared: :scared:

Plus CBS (reliably low for some reason) hasn't done a poll in awhile. I think their next one will be around 32% (their last was 35%).
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SamuelAlito Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 10:13 AM
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17. "Dead Cat Bounce"
Have you ever heard the term "Dead Cat Bounce"?

It's when something (usually a stock price) drops so hard so fast that it has to go up a little bit, like dropping a dead cat from a building.

The best hope for George's Poll numbers is for me, his Supreme Court Nominee, to sail through the senate.

I'm trying to muster support with my very own blog:

The Right Honorable Samuel A. Alito, Jr.
(the A stands for Awesome.)
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 12:34 PM
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32. Sure it doesn't stand
for "Asshole"? Welcome to DU!
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 10:19 AM
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18. Only evil or stupid people can support the crimes of the
corporate cabal.

The real question is how many millions we have in this Nation.

Perhaps the polls wil give us an idea.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 10:23 AM
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19. Haven't Heard Much Lately About DeLay, Frist, Rovegate, Cindy, etc. . .
Wonder if that has anything to do with it? Murtha was a good thing. Oh well, another day. another scandal. The pricks are still in office. What the hell will it take for them to go? Wait, I know.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 10:28 AM
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20. Why would he bounce now ?
Nothing's changed for the better and his Asia trip was an amazing waste of gas :shrug:
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 11:45 AM
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22. Holiday... good feelings......
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 11:55 AM
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25. Why are you defending Bush?
At least it seems that way. :shrug:
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 12:21 PM
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27. I'm not even going to answer that.....
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 12:27 PM
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30. Dead Fristy cat bounce?
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Lexingtonian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 01:29 PM
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34. it's not a bounce

Basically, you can poll in a number of ways. Different pollsters get the true Undecideds to side up in different ways. This one, for example, gets them all in 'approval' and pushes real disapprovers into Undecided.

My view of the slew of polls (throwing in SUSA and Rasmussen) amount to a consensus that Bush has 35% real support, 58% real disapproval, and 7% genuinely wavering people aka Undecideds.

This latter group can be teased either way, but IMHO the honest place to split them- if you must- at the moment is in the middle, for a 38/61 reality. The way the Beltway crowd is playing things in Washington is very much according to what voter blocs such a split represents, i.e. all partisan Republicans of all stripes still thinly united against everyone else. And Blue Dog Democrats deciding that siding with Republicans is no longer the option of personal safety, as we are starting to see.

Once we get real partisan Republican defections, which is at disapproval getting to 63% or 64% or 65% and some Republican Congressfolk following their constituents into it, we'll be hearing the "Traitor!" screamings among Republicans internally. At a 'hard' decline rate of 1% of the electorate giving up on them as a useful Party per month, as has been the case for 5 years, IMHO we're looking at January or February for the overt signs of GOP coalition crumbling.
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belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 02:20 PM
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35. Yeah, the main difference wrt that Cook one is the undecided column
Edited on Wed Nov-23-05 02:20 PM by belle
7% undecided, 41 approval, 52 disapprove. The truly pitiful one, the Harris (34-65) had virtually *no* undecided (1%).

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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 10:52 AM
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21. What reason has he given people to change their minds in the last week?
Well... I suppose he did leave the country for a while... :think:
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VaYallaDawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 11:50 AM
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23. Joe Scarborough (on NBC yesterday) said
they were busy deploying Cheney to try to boost up chimpy's numbers!!! Ain't that a hoot! Talk about throwing an anchor to a drowning man!
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 12:23 PM
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29. it's nuts. they're so desperate they'll try anything 10 times.
idiots. it's the rove-way... try anything 10 times, no matter what the result.
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 12:35 PM
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33. I think the idea is to make sure all the bad stuff attaches to Cheney,
so that much of it won't attach to Bush. IOW, they had a "Sophie's Choice" and they said, "Take my little girl" (Cheney).

They won't get away with it, I hope. THE BOSS IS RESPONSIBLE AND THEY INSISTED FOR YEARS THAT BUSH, NOT CHENEY, IS THE BOSS!
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 11:58 AM
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26. The Polling Report people have heads up.........

looking something that ain't there.....
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 12:21 PM
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28. naw, think about it. he's been dropping like a rock ever since 9-11-2001.
if you look at the way he charts, he's simply a faller. sure, he might bounce around a little, but he NEVER goes back up unless there's a terror event. and nowadays the mal-administration would be hard-pressed to invent one of those without generating a lot of media stories revealing the mechanism.
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 12:32 PM
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31. If true, must be from the gas prices dropping.
Yes, I believe that high gas prices will savage his poll numbers more than little trivial :sarcasm: things like the fact that he lied us into war, wanted to bomb journalists, wants torture, etc.

Gas here was $3.00/gal after Hurricane Katrina, and it was high going into the hurricane. (And I fully believe some people died or had to be rescued because they couldn't afford to fill up their cars--seriously.) I'm sure gas was even higher in some parts of the country.

Now it's at about 2.20/gal here.

Imagine, people are getting complacent about a "low" gas price of TWO DOLLARS AND TWENTY CENTS A GALLON?? It was in JUNE of THIS year that I saw it go above $2.00 in this region, and I was shocked and angry.

People need to remember how fast it rose, and to KNOW that that can and WILL happen again.
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