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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 12:39 PM
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Should Gay People Stop Paying Taxes?
In Southern and border states, they are systematically stripping gays and lesbians of their civil rights and privileges.

They are enshrining bigotry against an entire class of citizens into state constitutions.

Most gays and lesbians do not have children. (I know a minority do). Why should gays and lesbians have to pay taxes for OTHER people's children to go to school? Why should they work hard and pay income taxes or real estate taxes into a society that then tells them they don't get tax breaks and estate tax breaks and social security survivorship rights and 400 + other breaks and benefits that straight couples get from the civil government?

Wasn't this country founded by people who got pissed off about taxation without representation?

Putting aside all the moral arguments that people should be able to marry the one they love, isn't it heinous in America in 2005 that an ENTIRE CLASS of citizens is being systematically excluded from participating in the American dream?
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 12:41 PM
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1. I think that EVERYONE should stop paying taxes
EVERYONE, should refuse to pay taxes whilst Bush Inc. are still in and fucking things up.

Say NO to taxes UNTIL the adults are in charge once again.
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 12:41 PM
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2. Works for me.
I'm sick and tired of enabling heterosexual bigotry by being a "law-abiding" citizen. Am I bitter? Yep.
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DU9598 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 12:58 PM
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3. Economic Development
Some state could do wonders by trying to lure gay people to the state and making the state fully accomodating and ensuring vigorously all protections of the law - including taxes and survivorship rights. Some states have non-discrimination in their state civil rights act, but it takes more than that. What state wants to step forward?
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area51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 01:14 PM
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4. Or,
they could pay a portion of their taxes since they don't have equal rights w/straights. And all the nazis who vote in elections to strip gays of equal rights have now voted their intention to pick up the tab to pay the difference, since they believe that they have the right to vote on others having equal rights.
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AmandaRuth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 01:39 PM
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5. i understand what you are saying
but a certain element of the right would love it if you quit paying taxes for public education, since privatizing education and destroying the public system is one of their stated goals.

It IS heinous what they are dong to gays and lesbians. And when they are done slapping the gays back, the attacks on women in general will get more focused and intense.
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 01:50 PM
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6. And give the fascist government an excuse to herd them all into prisons?
No.

If being stripped of rights is a reason to stop paying taxes, then we all would have to.
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vonslagle Donating Member (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 01:53 PM
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7. Everybody benefits
from paying taxes. If you think gays should be immune, next thing you know, childless heteros are going to want a break as well. After that, Reich Wingers who home-skool will want a rebate.

Buck up and write a check. It's the cover charge for a civilized society.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 01:55 PM
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8. Childless heteros can marry legally
Gays cannot. Childless heteros can receive the over 400 rights and privileges and monetary breaks and entitlement funds from the government. Gays cannot.

Therefore your argument is moot.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 04:51 PM
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9. Absolutely, and so should all non-Christians and all non-conservatives
...they want one thought process. one religion for all, then they should pay for it.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 08:19 PM
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10. No, they should get the 25% of gays who vote for republicans
to quit voting for them.
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kevinbgoode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 08:30 PM
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11. Gays who can have their property stolen from them by "recognized"
family members should indeed receive some kind of social relief. It is utterly outrageous that a single class of people in this country can have their personal wishes in important life decisions overridden by estranged "family" members simply because the state refuses to recognize our existence.

If we don't exist, we certainly shouldn't owe anyone any money.
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 08:47 PM
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12. Uhmmm...
Forgive me for bringing up silly practical matters, but aren't there some logistical considerations that should be discussed?

For example:

(1) Aren't payroll taxes automatically deducted from one's earnings?

(2) Aren't sales taxes automatically added to purchases?

(3) Aren't arrears on property taxes grounds for foreclosure or confiscation of property?

(4) Isn't lying on one's income tax return grounds for arrest and imprisonment?

(5) Ditto refusal to remit taxes owed with one's tax return?

Exactly how, then, is this call for refusal to pay taxes going to work and what could it hope to achieve?

:shrug:

Methinks we need to revise some laws rather than advocate a self-defeating tax strike. But that's just silly me, of course.
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