Why all the Fuss about Torturing People who Want Us Dead?

[IChing]

[Silent3]

1. Photoshop or for-real? n/t

[daleanime]

4. I hope its photoshop...

cause it too scary if its real.

[IChing]

34. it is real ... I found another one I posted in the tread

with video

[funflower]

2. Yep. That's what they told the guards at Auschwitz.

[IChing]

10. You mean the guards at Gitmo and Abu Ghraib

I do think this is real,considering Frist's statement on secret prisons

"Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist says he is more concerned about the leak of information regarding secret CIA detention centers than activity in the prisons themselves."

[funflower]

11. Yep. And the voters who allow them to continue (so far).

[Spike from MN]

15. However, the leak that exposed the identity of a CIA operative,

well, that was the right thing to do. After all, her husband had committed the unforgivable act of publicly telling the truth about the lies coming out of the WH. He needed to be put in his place, just like the people at the secret CIA detention centers need to be put in theirs. The prisons aren't the problem. The fact that we found out about them is. :sarcasm:

[rkc3]

3. What if they happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time?

Can you remain on the moral high ground after you allow people, even combatants, to be tortured?

Can you call yourself a christian and condone torture?

Why are we even debating this? Torture is immoral and creates more problems than it cures.

Am I missing anything?

[Amonester]

7. Answers obtained lack credibility & What if the tortured ones are

innocent of any wrongdoing?

Example:

Children rap** in the presence of their (innocent?) parents...
Which one of their DESPERATE answers would ever be true??

Answer: NONE.

Thanks for posting this.

[Sequoia]

5. Back in the day.....

[IChing]

6. REAL .....I got it off of Wonkette

http://www.wonkette.com/politics/neil-cavuto/stop-watching-fox-news-or-theyll-poke-your-eyes-out-with-a-stick-136325.php

[bahrbearian]

8. Torture people for their " Thoughts"?

[BigYawn]

9. Torture is WRONG! Growing back home I learned long ago that when a

poisonous snake confronts you, you never torture it,
you just kill it. If you don't it will kill YOU. I have
vivid memories of my father swatting snakes to death
with a big stick and hitting it until it was squashed
in hundred pieces.

[IChing]

12. Sounds like GWB for he use to put lite firecrackers

into the mouths of live frogs for fun as a kid.....by the way, he admitted this in an interview.

[BigYawn]

16. Huge difference between frogs and cobra's

An adult cobra can outrun all but the speediest sprinters.
One bite and you suffer the most excruciating pain and death
within hours. Nothing to fool with. You kill it as fast as you
can and make sure its head is squashed, since there are known
stories of a severed cobra head biting its victim on reflex
action.

If you are comparing to that idiot Bush exploding frogs, you
need to do some deeper thinking also known as maturing.

[IChing]

17. sounds like you advocate torture of small animals

Or your analogy is that people held in prison without trial should be tortured because they might be lethal snakes or terrorist.

I have no idea what kind of mature deep thinking you are advocating with your inane rambling post on snakes and your father. How did your mother fit into this?

Sounds like therapy session is needed

[Auntie Bush]

26. Ditto

[BigYawn]

32. Not entirely correct, I love small pets

But I have nothing but disdain for poisonous snakes,
scorpians and any poisonous insects. There are plenty
of non-poisonous snakes in the world to take care of pests
such as rats which eat farmers crops.

We own a lovely lhasa apso, a German Shepard, and a
a small parakeet. They are a source of much joy to our
family.

As for seeing a shrink, life is too good to need that.
I have achieved the American dream of owning a house,
a SUV and a German Shepard dog. My kids get straight A's
in school and my employer goes out of his way to keep me.

But if you are willing to pay my bill, I might venture lying on
the couch in the shrink's office.

[depakid]

18. That's the best way in the world to get bit

Sorry to have to tell you- but your old man passed along bad advice.

You don't mess with poisonous snakes- and they won't mess with you.

There's a reason why the overwhelming majority of people who get bit by rattlers, for example- are young white males- a considerable proportion of whom have been drinking....

[BigYawn]

31. You are correct to a point, but the cobras had a nasty habit of

sneaking into our house usually just before nightfall.
This is very common in rural houses in India since there
were open windows and doors with the warm summer nights.
My parents got a large dog who barked like crazy when any
snake, poisonous or not entered the house.

And my old man was not going to take any chances on
any one in the family getting bit. If the snake could be
coaxed out then it escaped with its life. I recall many
instances where the snake just coiled under a bed and had
to be jostled with a long stick and then smashed as it came
out hissing.

[Jai4WKC08]

13. From Ed Schultz' radio on Monday

You know, there's nothing to be gained that's worth the cost of abusing people, if you were going to be strictly pragmatic about it. But more than that, it's un-American.

General George Washington made a very strong pitch and made sure that the Continental Army in the Revolutionary War when we captured British soldiers, we did not abuse them. We treated them well, and as a result a lot of them stayed on after the war and became citizens of America. On the other hand, the British in the Revolutionary War treated our people when they were captured very, very badly, and they were repaid in spades for that with a long period of where we were very hostile to the Brits.

You know, every time we've gone through a period where we don't watch how we treat and act in war, we regret it. It is a huge blot on our nation's conscience, and to have an administration and a vice-president who is so strongly advocating a course of action that's basically un-American, unprincipled, not in accordance with what our American values are, it's a shocking expression of a lack of faith in America and our own country.

Wes Clark
11/7/05

[IChing]

14. Good grief another one from faux "I'm against outlawing torture"

This one is from Brad Blog

You can watch the video and see it come up.

http://www.bradblog.com/



ARE THEY TRYING TO TELL YOU SOMETHING?
YOU CAN BET ON THAT!!!!!!!

[IChing]

29. Here is the other faux promotion of torture video clip.

above post

[opihimoimoi]

19. When our guys get captured..wouldn't we want fair treatment? You can bet

our asses we would....

Bush and Cheney going down a slippery slope taking us with them...it ain't fair for the troops.

[Marie26]

20. What's sad

is that the Iraqis actually treated our prisoners of war humanely. Jessica Lynch was in a hospital, the other soldiers weren't abused or harmed. But the Bush Administration screamed that the Geneva Convention was being violated because the prisoners were shown on TV. So here we stand, 2 years later, officially condoning torture, creating secret CIA prisons w/o any Red Cross oversight, and abusing & killing prisoners in Abu Gharib. America could truly be charged with war crimes at this point. How did we get here?

[opihimoimoi]

22. How? By allowing this Toad of a Fraud into the Oval Office... he is the

worst thing to happen on this Earth.

[Marie26]

25. He couldn't have done it if the American people

didn't want it. I think we didn't want to know what was happening in the "War on Terror" - we just wanted to feel safe. We as a country kind of averted our eyes & pretended to ourselves that Bush will protect us. Bush is bad, but I wonder if he's maybe more of a symptom than a disease. If that makes any sense?

[opihimoimoi]

30. The Disease is Arrogant Ignorance...Bush is but a symptom

Coalesed into a Right Wing Force, using all the tricks in the books and more, they have manifested into the Pub Party under the guise of fiscal reform, strong defense, etc.

It is a Con Job, a Scam... just look at the results over the last 50 years...look for patterns....

[IChing]

23. They put Americans in Jeoproday with this thinking but

what is more alarming is that faux is also promoting torture with their banners and spin which is why I posted this, the spin was I'm against torture but I'm not really from both talking heads, this kind of talk sinks in like newspeak to the faux viewer. I'm still waiting for the next "hateweek" on faux.

My x-wife's grandfather died in the hands of the Gestapo in Denmark and yes, he was
a partisan saboteur.

[Marie26]

24. Kinda like Bush will always have a banner in the

background with the essential "talking points" He'll have,like, "Saving Our Children" behind him as he talks about slashing school budgets, and I swear to God it doesn't seem to matter what he's actually saying. People just see the image - sound-bites are so short now that that's all they'll get out of it. John Gibson can blather on, but the banner stays. You're right - that's the essential message they want people to "get". "Torture is OK" - if you show it enough, maybe people will start to believe it. Sometimes I think reading 1984 is the best way to understand what's going on in this country right now.

[WWFStern]

21. I'm disgusted

I'm really disgusted.

Torture is wrong. Period. In any circumstance. For any reason. It is always wrong.

[Jim__]

27. For one thing, torturing people increases the number of people who

want us dead.

For another, when we torture people, we become the people we're supposed to be fighting against.

[PurityOfEssence]

28. How do you know you got the right person?

Remember: many at Abu Graib were little more than traffic arrests of people in the wrong place or doing things "suspicious".

First off, torture's wrong. Second, it's ILLEGAL. (Just wanted to clear the air on the ethics issues because that's not the line I'm following.)

The argument I trot out is this: this administration is so absolutely WRONG about so many things that their opinion isn't worth dick. As they lie about intelligence and such with such impunity, we lose sight of this; it's easy to see where they're deliberately skewing information, but this causes outrage that helps to cloud the issue that they're just flat-out wrong about so much.

Also, once it's okay to torture SOME people (the obviously caught-red-handed terrorist) it's simply going to happen that others will too. Once that's okay, then it's okay with everyone.

You, too can be designated an enemy combatant at ANY POINT by Junior.

[leesa]

33. General Karpinski said 90% of the inmates at Abu Ghraib were

"accidental" inmates and didn't belong there. What's the fuss?

[Toots]

35. Don't Freepers want Muslims dead so I'm sure they wouldn't object

if Muslims decided to do a little torturing of their own since Americans want them dead and if people want you dead you have the right to torture them. And we thought beheading people was bad.............wait until we start receiving body parts in the mail..or pictures of little Johnie with his mouth around some guy's pecker and piled into naked pyramids of American prisoners.