Today the Dems take a stand. Tomorrow all Americans will.

[vickitulsa]

Harry Reid drew a line in the sand today in an extremely courageous move in the Senate. I believe his decision to do this follows on the heels of the outcome of SP Fitzgerald's investigation into the CIA Leak re Valerie Plame. Fitz made it clear he could not broaden his investigation to cover the lies that led us into the Iraq War, so I feel he was signalling very clearly to those who could take further steps that they DO SO.

NOW I believe Americans will respond to what Harry Reid and the Dems did today in the Senate with a resoundingly loud approval. Can't you just imagine the pollsters formulating that #1 question for their next major questionnaire? Already there have been major polls that show Americans believe the Bush White House misled us into believing Iraq had WMD's and therefore misled us into the war in Iraq. Bill Schneider on Wolf Blitzer's afternoon program reminded us of that response in a recent poll. There will be many more to come in the next week or two.

And it's the replies to those polls (which will be widely reported) as well as the general support for Senator Reid's move in the Senate today by which the American people will let their feelings be known to one and all in Washington -- and the world, for that matter!

For so long many of us have wanted to broadcast to the world that WE did NOT support taking our country to war in Iraq. As far as I know, Senator Reid's move today in the Senate has provided the FIRST opportunity for us to clearly voice, through our support for what he did, our dismay with the Bush administration and where it has taken our country.

LISTEN FOR THE SOUND beginning tomorrow, coming from the American people themselves. No talking points memos in the hands of Republicans will be able to outshout such a response!

I don't often make predictions, but I'm making an exception tonight. "Popular uprising" may be too strong a term, but I believe the American people themselves will start making it VERY CLEAR tomorrow that they want to know why the Bush administration led us to war in Iraq with LIES.

[cdsilv]

1. This is happening....

...I was in Orlando a few weeks ago, and sat in a bar next to a
'Young Republican' whose family is friendly with the Bush Family - ( they're in Michigan, go figger), after alot of heming an hawing he agreed the Dubya "just ain't right". He agreed we need to get Corp's
out of politics and thought Jeb would be a better prez than Dubya.

He also agreed that the pendulum is swinging back to the liberal
side, altho slowly and said that it's about time.

Really, an interesting conversation.

Noblesse Oblige???

[libhill]

9. Or-

Repuke rats deserting a sinking ship of state?

[AlinPA]

2. Thank you. I'm still concerned the media will mount a major blitz that

goes full throat in support of Bush** and will convince most 'murcans that all is well. The WH is still in charge of nearly all broadcast media.

[vickitulsa]

4. The media may try that, but one thing they can't do is shut

Americans up, stop us from expressing our opinions when we citizens really have our dander up about something. And in the end, if the uproar we raise is loud enough and strong enough and our determination to get the truth about why we went to war in Iraq doesn't weaken after a few days, the media will have NO CHOICE but to report what their readers and viewers are telling them.

I think it's all about the FEEDBACK, ya see. Jack Cafferty asks a question on CNN about Reid's move in the Senate today and gets "thousands" of emails in response -- most of which were strongly supportive of the Dems finally taking ACTION.

Every poll result I've seen in recent weeks, including the ones set up quickly online today, show an American public that has been HUNGRY for a way to express their desire to find out why we were "lied into a major war" for a long time now.

We'll see how it goes as things develop now, but I really believe this is the turning point we've been waiting for.

[AlinPA]

5. Sounds good. We are all eager to change the direction in our country.

[No Exit]

8. We the people do not want one-party government!

Speaking only for myself, I must add that I NEVER want any more republicans--not even one--in political office ever again. (Not that I'm going to get my wish... but a democrat majority would be a good start.)

[libhill]

10. Too many morans

still vote for Repukes based on the God / Guns / Gays rhetoric, for your wish to come true. Unfortunately, they are too fucking stupid and ill educated to even realize that they're voting against their own best interests.

[No Exit]

13. Take heart: speaking of the south,

the part of the country I know best, I can tell you that all those god/guts/guns guys and their women used to be democrats.

The south knows how to hold a grudge. It held a grudge against the republicans for approximately 110 years. Time was when a repuke couldn't get elected dogcatcher here. As a teenager in Alabama, I remember riding through my affluent suburb and seeing nothing but "Albert Brewer for Governor" signs. Wow, I thought (I was very stupid), looks like Brewer will beat the democrat (the democrat was...gulp... George Wallace.) When the election came and went, of course Wallace stomped the republican Brewer. Turns out that suburb was about the only place in the state that had supported Brewer.

Now people are starting to get pissed off. There are a lot of military families in the south. The administration and other liars would have us believe that military families just love republicans. I don't think so. I think they have woken up to what republicans are--when a party kicks you in the face about 100 times, you start to wake up. Ditto for veterans, who are revered in the south.

They changed to repuke from democrat, probably because they stupidly believed all the distractions repukes kept pounding--the fake social issues.

If/when they change back, the repukes can not expect to see them again for about 100 years. I believe they will change back.

And southerners are the prototype for every other large group of ignoramuses in the country.

[No Exit]

14. I meant to address the above post to libhill

[libhill]

15. I hope you are right,

and, I know where you're coming from. I'm a Southerner born and bred myself, born in Alabama, raised in Texas. Time was, and I remember well, when as you said yourself, a Repuke could hardly be elected dog catcher in this region. But that fucking fascist criminal bastard Delay has fixed that for us in Texas. May he be consigned to the lowest pits of hell. And I know a lot of "good ol' boy" types, who hardly have a pot to pee in, or a window to throw it out of, who run out and vote Repuke in every election. And the fat cat Repukes don't give a damn if people like that starve in the streets, ultimately.

[Imagevision]

16. Well, we know the speaking points for Limbaugh & Hannity tomorrow!

you always know when they're sweating it when the GOP looks bad, both Limbaugh & Hannity make over 25 million - Rush gets 40 million plus so it's only a job and they're both paid to deliver except it's getting to where their making asses out of what they say.

[MrModerate]

3. I wish I could agree, but . . .

What the American people will do, mostly, is pay no attention.

There's very little new that I expect to come out of the investigation. We KNOW Schimpanski and his droids leaned on the Intelligence Community to get answers they wanted; we KNOW they had to resuscitate Tenet regularly because his nose was so far up Cheney's butt that he passed out daily; we KNOW that it was all a marketing campaign, carefully timed; we KNOW the "intelligence was fixed" around the objective of going to war. This is all objective fact, long since reported (and discounted).

But how the people will read it is this: "Bush was badly advised/informed by the spies; if he'd known the truth, he'd been much more reluctant to go. And besides, this all so 2004, leave me alone, I've got a game to watch."

He'll get a pass on the lies, I'm afraid. He certainly has so far and anyone paying attention knows it. (Note the "anyone paying attention" part.)

We need to focus on the fact that the war is a disaster and how we get our troops out of the abattoir. Hammer home the fact that Schimpanski couldn't win a war against the Greater Dayton Area Brownie Scouts, that he and his whole crew are incompetent, incompetent, incompetent.

[vickitulsa]

6. "Hammer home the fact that Schimpanski couldn't win a war

against the Greater Dayton Area Brownie Scouts, that he and his whole crew are incompetent, incompetent, incompetent."

Hah! I couldn't disagree with that view, for sure! And it's something I've been repeating to anyone willing to listen to me ever since they first took us to war in Iraq. Even before then, in Afghanistan, I said it!

So I won't relax that tack, I'll just join in the American citizen chorus that I still believe will begin making itself heard loud and clear tomorrow, supporting the Dems' push to get some answers to the "rumors" about LIES fed us by Bushco in order to get us all to support HIS war.

And btw, I don't believe most U.S. citizens are paying attention to what the Senate does from day to day or even month to month either, but that's not necessary for them to have an opinion about Iraq and Bush/Cheney. IMO most Americans are disgusted with politicians in general and with the "leaders" who have gotten us into this huge and tragic MESS in Iraq and made the entire world hate us way more than they did before.

In view of your points, however, I might add that it may take a few days or even a couple of weeks for MOST Americans to learn the significance of what happened in the Senate today and therefore see it as "their big chance" to speak out and influence their government.

But I do think a great many will soon see the opportunity and hear a lot of others who may be more astute speaking out, and join them. I sure am hoping, but I also really believe this.

[libhill]

7. I hate to rain on the parade, but

I wish the Dems had shown some balls on this subject, before we had a death toll of 2,000 service men/women, and fucking counting.

[vickitulsa]

11. Me too!

Oh how fervently I wish that!....

Before I came to DU a few months ago, most of my friends were veterans. I'm of the Vietnam "era," and I have always felt that the Namvets were treated so badly by both the govt and a big segment of the citizenry in this country. Beyond my IRL Namvet pals, I began meeting a lot of others online in 1997 and since then have hung out with them in various vet groups. You would have to travel far to find a stronger veteran supporter than I am.

And when you are involved in a veteran community, you inevitably get to know some active duty folks as well. So I know several soldiers including my best friend's son who are in Iraq right now -- or who have been there or will be going. It's an agonizing position to be in, to love these valiant people who serve and to see them being maimed and killed over a period of YEARS and FOR A LIE -- just like in Vietnam!

It may be likely that those like me who remember Vietnam all too well and want more than anything to avoid having that endless atrocity happen again will lead the charge in opposing this war in Iraq by demanding answers from Bushco about WHY we are there. But I think other Americans will find our outcry speaks to their hearts as well and then I hope they join us!

We MUST *DEMAND* that the lying warmonger profiteers of the Bush administration be held accountable and be brought DOWN!

[libhill]

12. Agreed -

but, we're up against the idiotic mind set that wanting to bring the troops home, is somehow unpatriotic or non-supportive. What is un patriotic or "un - American", about not wanting to see people die, or be maimed for life, in a needless war, instigated by liars and self serving politicians?









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