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merwin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 12:40 AM
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Am I hearing correctly? Did a conservative say that the Iraq intelligence
was skewed and false and done on purpose? I'm watching Countdown right now and they're talking with Philip Giraldi (Former CIA officer) about an article he wrote in The American Conservative. He's laying down exactly how the niger documents were forged and skipped the vetting process through the pentagon and into Bush's speech.

Is the world turning over?
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 12:41 AM
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You are hearing correctly. Previous Threads:
Edited on Tue Nov-01-05 12:55 AM by Hissyspit
Hold on a few minutes and I'll turn these into links (or you can search yourself)...

Latest Breaking News forum
Forging the Case for War (Bush Admin may be involved in Niger Forgeries)
Topic started by jsamuel on Oct-31-05 08:59 PM (18 replies)
Last modified by alfredo on Oct-31-05 11:48 PM

Editorials & Other Articles forum
Who was behind the Niger documents (Bush? connection to Niger forgeries)
Topic started by papau on Oct-31-05 09:59 PM (1 replies)
Last modified by Wilms on Oct-31-05 10:24 PM
GD: CIA Leak Case forum

YELLOWCAKE.... FORGING A CASE FOR WAR must read
Topic started by OmmmSweetOmmm on Oct-31-05 08:50 PM (18 replies)
Last modified by Uncle Roy on Nov-01-05 12:29 AM
GD: Everything Else forum

The American Conservative: Admin may be involved in Niger Forgeries
Topic started by jsamuel on Oct-31-05 08:54 PM (8 replies)
Last modified by rodeodance on Oct-31-05 09:07 PM

Olbermann was talking about the Niger Documents
Topic started by Cush on Oct-31-05 08:44 PM (2 replies)
Last modified by KaryninMiami on Oct-31-05 08:50 PM

Coming together now..... forging the case for war.... Giraldi, OSP
Topic started by 4MoronicYears on Oct-31-05 08:41 PM (1 replies)
Last modified by SillyGoose on Oct-31-05 08:47 PM
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 12:57 AM
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8. Links updated. Let me know if they aren't working. KICK
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 12:59 AM
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10. CIA finally getting back at Bush. At least, former CIA...
Big miscalculation on Neo-Cons' part, to use CIA as scapegoat.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:11 AM
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15. Didn't His Daddy Teach Him Anything?
You really don't want to fuck with the CIA.
Really.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 01:07 AM
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12. Mine went nowhere, even though it predated those ....
Forging The Case For War ... The Bigger Story behind the Story ...
Topic started by Trajan on Oct-30-05 11:41 AM (2 replies)
Last modified by Junkdrawer on Oct-30-05 12:05 PM
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:20 AM
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16. Off topic, but can anyone supply the location
of the video clip to which that charming screen shot accompanies?

pnorman
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 09:38 PM
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19. I really dont know ...
It was Randi Rhodes on CSPAN against some spitfire right wing nutcase ....
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:43 AM
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17. Credit where credit is due, Trajan!
I only searched back 24 hours. Sorry.

Sometimes, it's perfectly fine and necessary to kick yourself. :-)
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 09:37 PM
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18. LMFAO ....
Um .... maybe that's where that bruise on my arse came from ? ...
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 12:41 AM
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1. Let's pray nt
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 12:42 AM
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2. they are trying to relieve themselves of the guilt
Edited on Tue Nov-01-05 12:43 AM by Skittles
wash the blood off their hands by saying WE WERE DUPED! when in reality, they didn't care about any kind of vetting, they cheer-leaded this war
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merwin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 12:45 AM
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3. He seems to have researched and documented the actual facts of the
case. From what he's saying, it skipped almost completely over the CIA until it was too late to do anything about it. He didn't go so far as to say it was a conspiracy, but he said a lot of good stuff.
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Zero Division Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 12:46 AM
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4. Must be a PaleoConservative
The American Conservative site is listed as a paleocon site at the wikipedia entry for paleoconservatism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleo-conservatism
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 12:48 AM
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5. The worm is turning...or was that the Aspens?
Guess who owns American Conservative, the website and I guess magazine that's publishing Giraldi's articles? None other than Pat Buchanan.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 12:49 AM
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6. Yes and he is not a neocon.
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merwin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 12:50 AM
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7. It doesn't seem like Buchanan is very happy with the administration right
now. Now gee, I wonder why... maybe he's a bit pissed off that Bush/Rove pulled their election hijinks to win the primary in 2000 and make Buchanan lose.

Seems like good motive to me.
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 12:57 AM
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9. Check out this piece on his website
Scott McConnell founded The American Conservative with Pat Buchanan and Taki Theodoracopulos in 2002. A Ph.D.in history from Columbia University, he was formerly the editorial page editor of the New York Post and has been a columnist for Antiwar.com and New York Press.His work has been published in Commentary, Fortune, National Review, The New Republic, and many other publications.





Today the United States has no shortage of magazines that would call their orientation, and be described by others as, “conservative.” Add the conservative dominance of talk radio, the popularity of several talented right of-center television commentators, the current Republican majority in the House, and the Bush presidency, and one could argue that conservative ideas have as much resonance as they have ever had.

And yet there is a great, often unarticulated discomfort in the ranks of many who considered themselves conservative during the past few decades.A friend of ours recently told of an encounter with one of his colleagues.“You’re a conservative,” the colleague said—“so you must agree with Paul Wolfowitz that we should attack Iraq, Iran, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and all those places.”

Well, no. Not all conservatives do agree that the United States should engage—for reasons that hardly touch America’s own vital interests —in an open-ended war against much of the Arab and Muslim world.

A variant of that conversation might be had about immigration—an issue around which genuine debate erupted for a brief time in mid 1990’s—only to be extinguished by the regnant factions of the conservative Establishment. “So you’re a conservative” that conversation would run. “You must believe that ‘there shall be open borders’ as the Wall Street Journal editorial page habitually puts it.

Well, again, no. We believe that America has gained and still does from new immigrants.But we also, after two decades of intense immigration, believe that the nation needs a slowdown to assimilate those already here.

We are told—by some of the more powerful voices on the Right—that these debates are over. Neoconservatism, that influential and in many ways admirable tendency that emerged during the 1970s and flowered during the 1980s, has triumphed. It is now the dominant, nay, the only American conservatism worth talking about.

And if you look at the array of conservative media outlets, that would almost seem to be the case. The major conservative magazines now compete over which can bray loudest for the widest war, the most ambitious expansion of an American military imperium. More discretely, they vie to articulate their relief that the shock of 9-11 has not, as yet, translated into a decisive political push for serious immigration reform.

We will be different.

Many voices will appear in the pages of The American Conservative — often in disagreement with one another. We are of course in considerable part Buchananite—well disposed to the web of ideas that drew millions of voters during three Buchanan presidential bids. But our magazine’s mission is broader: to ignite the conversation that conservatives ought to have engaged in since the end of the Cold War, but didn’t.

We will question the benefits and point to the pitfalls of the global free trade economy; we will free the immigration debate from the prison to which it has been consigned. And we will discuss, frequently, America’s role in the world, turning a critical eye on those who want to cast aside every relevant American foreign policy tradition—from Robert Taft-style isolationism to prudent Dwight Eisenhower-style internationalism, in favor of go it alone militarism, where America threatens and bombs one nation after another, while the world looks on in increasing horror.

We believe conservatism to be the most natural political tendency, rooted in man’s taste for the familiar, for family, for faith in God. We believe that true conservatism has a predisposition for the institutions and mores that exist. So much of what passes for contemporary conservatism is wedded to a kind of radicalism—fantasies of global hegemony, the hubristic notion of America as a universal nation for all the world’s peoples, a hyperglobal economy. In combination with an increasingly unveiled contempt for America’s long-standing allies, this is more a recipe for disaster.

Against it, we take our stand.

–The Editors

http://www.amconmag.com/aboutus.html
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merwin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 01:03 AM
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11. Damn, haven't heard a conservative speak like that in a long time.
It's kind of refreshing.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 01:20 AM
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13. Now there is a conservative that I could vote
against without deep buring rage.

Does my nostalgia for a lost era make me a conservative?
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JohnnyRingo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:06 AM
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14. I heard that too.....then confirmed that he was conservative
Edited on Tue Nov-01-05 02:06 AM by JohnnyRingo
I'm still not sure where he was coming from
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