What does this bumper sticker tell you about the owner of the car?

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"Pray Bush Honors God's Covenant with Israel"

First, I don't know of any covenant that God has with Israel, so I'm wondering if this is covered in the old testament and the owner of the car is possibly Jewish?

I don't think it matters, but the vehicle was a purple pick-up truck with a white, home-made built-in trailer top. The built-in may have been made of metal, and it had a very small window. Probably more to let in light inside, than to look out of the compartment.

Oh, lastly, possibly irrelevant clues: This is a very right-wing county. The car was parked at Home Depot.

[proud2BlibKansan]

1. American car?

or import?

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3. Damn! I should have paid closer attention.

I would guess it was American because of the size.

[aquart]

2. Yes, it is covered in the old testament.

Unbelievable the crap the shows up on DU.

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6. Can you please give me some more information?

I've never heard of this before.

[mandyky]

34. Israel, was named as God's chosen people

Wasn't Abraham's son Israel, and his other one by the handmaid, Ishmael.

Anyway, Jews have always felt they were God's chosen people. I mean, even Christ was a Jew. Fundies also follow the Old Testament as much as the new. Their whole thing with Christ and being Christian is one must specifically accept Christ as their personal savior. They do not see other Christian denominations that do not stress salvation as being truly Christian. That leaves out both Catholics and Jews ironically!

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42. Well, that explains a lot. I'm Catholic.

What's more, I'm Catholic with a strong possibility of having Moorish blood. Which means, that there is also a possibility of having Jewish blood.

What do the Fundie have? An inferiority complex.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

75. Old Testament Christians are NOT followers of Jesus

[soupkitchen]

4. Probably not Jewish

The Fundies believe that the Israeli "issue" has to be settled before Christ will return.

[Frances]

8. Agree

I lived for 20 years in a neighborhood with many Jewish families. I never once heard anything like that.

That is the kind of thing I heard when I was growing up in the Bible Belt.

At that time, most of the people in the Bible Belt were farmers and they really identified with the people in the Old Testament. I think they think of Israel as the land of their forefathers. I know that's not rational, but then neither is this statement, "If the King James version was good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for me."

[Misskittycat]

30. Agree, also. Not Jewish; fundamentalist Christian stuff about

bringing back the Jews to restore Biblical Israel, and then once it's restored, all the Jews can convert or go to Hell.

[donsu]

5. religiously insane

nt

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7. I don't doubt it for a minute.

There's a lot of that going around where I live. But this bumper sticker is the first of its kind.

[cornermouse]

9. Meaing Israel will never again lose their land and home.

The driver was most likely a fundamentalist christian.

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12. I wasn't aware that Christians gave the old testament that much

relevance. Learn something new every day.

[cornermouse]

19. I grew up in those churches.

Once Israel returned after WWII, not ever losing their home or their land against was one of the biggies on Sunday morning.

[Mythsaje]

20. To me it seems

as though the OT is the only part of the bible the fundies give any relevance. You get a lot of fire and wrath and very little "sermon on the mount."

[Ilsa]

22. That's where they get the damnation of almost anything that fits

their narrow social agenda. Alot of it comes from OT (Leviticus for example). Some of it comes from the writings of Paul.

[Jai4WKC08]

77. Only when it suits their purposes

If they really gave the old testament any credence, cheeseburgers wouldn't be so popular. And lesbian relationships would be A-OK.

Fwiw, I wouldn't say that all Jews believe we're the chosen people. Some do, especially our own fundamentalists.

Here's the story, as best I remember it. Jacob, the son of Isaac and grandson of Abraham, wrestled with an angel. When he wouldn't give up, the angel had to give him and his descendents a blessing, and he renamed him "Israel," which is said to literally mean "struggle with God." So all the descendents of Jacob came to be known as Israel, or Israelites, or the people of Israel from then on. It was a common practice back then to name a people after a patriarch, altho it may have happened the other way around--some scholars believe that the early Bible characters are really some sort of personification of the indiginous people of the time.

Anyway, it really hasn't much to do with the political nation of Israel today. In fact, many of our fundies do not support Israel as a political entity because of the prophecy that the people of Israel should not return to the promised land until the Messiah comes.

So I would bet real money that whoever was sporting the bumper sticker was no Jew, but a fundie Christian.

[cloud_chaser1]

10. The driver......

wears a Caterpiller baseball cap and dirty old Army combat boots.
The prefers Oshkosh bib overalls and plaid flannel shirts.
He wears socks he bought a decade ago.
His has only two of his original teeth. His name is Luthor.
He chews tobacco and spits......he spits a lot.
He was in WW2 as an Infantryman but talks like he wore two stars on his shoulders.
He is a member of a militia and wears camaflage clothing for meetings.
He consumes gallons of 3.2 beer, otherwise known as horse piss. He has a beer belly as a result. His pants fasten below his hanging belly
and he just loves playing soldier in the woods outside of town.
He goes to Home Depot to buy wood to fix the outhouse. He has never called a plumber and does the work himself. He is now woprking on his third cesspool.
His wife's name is Elizabeth but everyone calls her Lizzie. She has no marketable skills and makes pocket money by selling pies at the Church Bakesale or cleaning houses.
Her husband, Luthor works at the neighborhood sawmill where last year, he lost a thumb and first joint of his index finger.
He brags at having achieved a third grade certificate and loves Jefferson Davis.
Oh one other thing....he is a republican.

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14. LOL!

[cornermouse]

16. Errr...

Outhouses don't require cesspools. Traditionally, they use quicklime.

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18. Quicklime: Better to hide the bodies with.

[alfredo]

37. It best be downhill/downstream from the well.

Old unused Cisterns (hand made enclosed wells) behind a neighbor's abandoned farmhouse are better than outhouses for hiding a stink that even quicklime can't hide.

[cloud_chaser1]

31. Oh Gosh, My Bad.

In Brooklyn, we didnt have outhouses or cesspools. We had real plumbing.

[cornermouse]

38. Well, then you've never really lived.

You've never experienced what it feels like to lower your britches in an unheated outhouse in the dead of winter. That stack of magazines in the outhouse wasn't there just for reading either. The roof leaked, so it was hard to keep real toilet paper dry. And in the summer, there are always spiderwebs and spiders. My grandparents didn't get indoor plumbing until the late 60s or possibly early 70s.

[GrpCaptMandrake]

23. That's HIM!

No doubt.

And he sends his kids to a "church skewl" where they're taught that "on the sixth day, Gawd created the Remington Bolt-action 30-ought-6 Rifle, so Adam could hunt the dinersores and kill the homersectionals from the back of his unicorn."

[Breeze54]

11. I'll take a shot....

"Pray Bush Honors God's Covenant with Israel"

Let's see...I've only had one cup of coffee though...

Pray = bible thumper

Bush = right wing

God's Covenant = FUNDIE

pick-up truck = red neck? (J/K) lol

home-made built-in trailer top = economically disadvantaged

right wing fundie Bush lover?

OR

The owner bought a used truck that came with the sticker?

It was 'purple' though...hmmmmm

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:evilgrin:

lmao.... You did say it was "right-wing" country!

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15. Yeah. The purple threw me too. LOL!

[Breeze54]

21. try this! lmao

http://www.countryhumor.com/redneck/mightbe.htm

:P

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47. "The Salvation Army declines your mattress." LOL!

[0007]

51. Purple is a highly spiritual color ~

...or so they say.

[meti57b]

13. G-d's covenant with Israel, made at Sinai, is that ........

The Jews choose G-d to be their god and agree to keep G-d's law, all 613 parts of it. G-d chooses the Jews to keep his law (all 613 parts) and agrees to be their (Jews') god. How might bush dishonor that Covenant? ... force-feed ham sandwiches to Jews?

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17. I've no clue. I've just learned to keep my eyes open because a lot

of what I see in the national papers today, I've seen happen in my local government, but with little or no accountability.

[valerief]

24. Oy, vey! Just another meshugeh fundie!

[Davis_X_Machina]

25. I'm surprised they didn't have this sticker...

...too.

[cleveramerican]

29. my favorite recently sighted bumper sticker

"Jesus, protect me from your followers" on a late model mini-van.

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44. How appropriate. Bush is beginning to smell like rotted fish.

[JNelson6563]

26. A Jewish carpenter?

:shrug:

[hexola]

27. Jews for Jesus? It is an organization.

[Swamp Rat]

28. That is Alien Lizard code for: "Phase II of the Invasion begins soon."

I'm not sure about "Israel." It may be a code word for the name of an Intergalactic Death Cruiser or perhaps an entire battle group.

[ninkasi]

32. Swamp Rat strikes again!

I love your art, Swamp Rat...how're you doing these days? I know you went through a lot due to Katrina and the aftermath. I hope things are getting better.

:hi:

[Swamp Rat]

35. I went to New Orleans to start the clean up last week.

The aftermath is on going, and will be for decades. This is the Bushler plan for us all: endless disasters. :(

[ninkasi]

41. How can we change that?

I'm serious...what can the rest of America do to see that New Orleans is restored? It's unique among cities, the only one of it's kind in this country. New Orleans, to me, was almost a mythical, magical place, where ordinary rules were suspended, and good music, good food, and good times were possible.

I don't want to see the poverty restored, but I don't want to see the people who are the soul of the city pushed out by greedy rich people, who want to remake it only for themselves. I don't understand why local firms there can't handle the reconstruction...anything that's paid for with tax dollars, in my opinion, needs to go to the people who had their homes and businesses and lives shattered, not to Bush and Cheney's cronies.

It's happening now in Florida too, I think, with so many still without electricity. But New Orleans...we watched, the world watched, as a city was abandoned by it's own government, and left to drown or starve, waiting, and waiting for help that never came. Sorry for the rant. I still can't believe we watched people die, and the people in charge of recovery are still walking around free.

[Swamp Rat]

53. Local firms have no say if the Federal Government chooses to use

Halliburton to turn New Orleans into McNew OrleansLand. Bush got his Martial Law, suspended Posse Comitatus, siezed the citizen's guns, and changed the fucking federal law about Eminent Domain... Halliburton already had a huge no-bid contract before Katrina even hit, and now Nagin is about to give in to the developers and let them build casinos everywhere. :grr:

Here come the bull dozers... yeah, what the fuck are the rest of you Amercans gonna do to help us stop them? We are too gaddamn busy looking for food and clothes to do anything right now, while everyone else has gone back to their daily routines. It's hard to protest when there are guys walking around in fatigues with machine guns, and you are too busy trying to put a new roof on your house (if you are lucky to have a house), and fighting insurance adjusters and agencies who want to FUCK YOU OUT OF EVERYTHING!!! :mad:

Why is George so happy in this pic? Because he knew what was happening in New Orleans.

[ninkasi]

62. I sent you a pm...

don't want to hijack this thread, but we need a campaign to save New Orleans from Bush's cronies. This beautiful city is too vital, too important, too much of our history, to abandon it to them. The people of New Orleans are still suffering from the same neglect, and it's killing them.

[Swamp Rat]

65. thank you n/t

[Cleita]

33. The covenant I believe is about Jews being God's chosen

people, not so much about a covenant with Israel. Can't a Jew also own a pick up truck? Although, in this case I believe it's some BS he's been getting in his fundie church. When I went to Catholic school we were taught (because we asked questions as to why we weren't chosen) that God's convenant with the Jews was extended to us by Jesus as baptized Christians.

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45. Well, from what I understand, it's like in the movie, "The Saw."

The Jews have to follow the rules, or they lose the game.

[Chi-Town Exile]

55. Stick to movies, please and leave Jewish Theology out of it.

Or better yet, stay home from the movies and read books about a culture you don't understand before you go around making ridiculous statements about it.

I find your comment offensive and derogatory which I thought was a violation of the rules on this board.

You don't like Israel, fine, but please stop trashing my religion I would never stoop low enough to trash yours.

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57. I'm a Christian. You trash my religion all the time here. Heck, so do I.

[Chi-Town Exile]

61. Who is "You"?

I try not to trash ANYONE's religion or trash those that consider themselves ATHEISTS.

As for right-wing fundies that misuse Christianity to try to oppress others and change the principles with which this nation was founded yes, I will trash them, but that in no way means I am demeaning Christianity.

However, when terms like "chosen" people are bantered around so freely, you buy into one of the basic tenets of Anti-Semites, the notion that Jews think they're better than everyone else. That is not true and if that is not what some of you meant when you were throwing the term around, you should probably explain what you meant when you used those terms. (I wasn't referring to you, Backlash, I'm referring to some of the posts up thread.)

[mcar]

36. I've seen this one too

I think it's a Rapture thing. From what I understand, the Rapture cannot happen unless the Jews control Jerusalem. Thus, the fundies want *Bush to "honor God's covenant with Israel" to keep them in charge of that part of the world.....

so the Rapture can happen and they can be left behind to toil, pain and suffering like the rest of us heathens. :evilgrin:

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46. Well, if they're left with us, we're the ones who will be subjected to

pain and suffering.

[cynatnite]

39. It tells me they are rapture ready...

It also tells me they think if the US turns it's back on Israel that it spells doom for this country.

It's a basic bible belief that since Jews are god's chosen the rest of the world has an obligation to care and help them. If we don't we'll crash and burn under a rain of fire and brimstone.

The reason the US is such a good friend to Israel isn't because of politics. It's because of these basic religious beliefs. I think it's also why US policy strongly favors Israel over the Palestinians.

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49. If 2-3 Billion dollars a year isn't help, I don't know what is.

I guess fundies would prefer the loss of blood over higher taxes.

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[Jacobin]

43. It means the U.S should blow up Israel's enemies

in the Middle East using its money and people because of some soothsayer in an old book that's convenient for them to quote.

The neo-cons and PNACers use this a lot subliminally

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52. I wonder why it's taken five years to understand what drives the

Christian Right-wingers. Oh, that's right. Because the media won't report the truth these days.

[Zhade]

48. That some people are completely insane.

It's one thing to believe myths, to derive some form of insight or wisdom from ancient tales - it's quite another to support making policy based on such tales.

[nodehopper]

50. The owner is likely a conservative Jew who supports Likud policies

Thinnk Daniel Pipes/AIPAC lobby that is in bed with fundamentalist Christians in the US.

[Chi-Town Exile]

54. If You Think a Conservative Jew would be driving a pick-up

you are sadly mistaken.

This thread is quite possibly one of the most Anti-Semitic threads I have seen in a long time.

As a Jew I find it highly offensive that so many of you believe we walk around and live our lives thinking we are the "chosen" people, meaning we look down on everyone and everything. I don't know what the religion of the driver was, but you really shouldn't make all kinds of ridiculous generalizations about Judaism, especially if you choose to filter beliefs about Jews through the eyes of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.

The AIPAC reference? You're joking, right? The only "pac" the driver knows is a six-pack.

Could you quite possibly leave us Jews alone for a few minutes? We are not all out to own all the banks, plot world domination and slaughter Palestinians, or are members of the sadistic Neo-Con cabal that surrounds President Asshat.

Some of us would just like to live our lives, be good people that take care of our families and yes, love our country the United States as well as having some care and concern about fellow Jews in the land of Israel.

This thread if flame-bait, plain and simple.

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56. You're probably right that it's the most anti-semitic on DU.

Because most threads that discuss anything remotely critical of Jewish people is generally dealt with severely by the moderators. So I'll say in defense of this thread, the question was an innocent request for information. If you are fair and count the tallies, the posts seem to run heavily in favor of the bumper sticker belonging to a fundie who had a strong belief in the old testament and who is probably in favor of the Rapture. That they're so blatant about it is new in my area.

So, I throw myself on the mercy of the court.

[Chi-Town Exile]

58. Why should a random bumpersticker require criticism of

the Jewish people?

We don't know anything about the driver, so why would people choose to criticize Jews on this thread?

While there does seem to be consensus that the driver was most probably a fundie, the comments about Judaism on this thread were quite offensive.

That was the purpose of my comments and quite frankly, it gets quite tiresome to see my culture dragged through the mud daily on here because of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.

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60. I'm sorry you feel that way, but maybe the fact that we aren't able to

even skirt around a topic that is so sensitive to some of the DUers because of the politics of this newsgroup, maybe should open our eyes a little bit as to why newspapers are not reporting information that would offend most of their conservative viewers.

This topic, ultimately, is about Fundies and what they believe in and why they would support Bush. It's a shame that when the answers may have anything remotely to do with Israel, this newsgroup goes in lockdown. One wonders how much success we would have had with the pedophile priest issue if every Catholic in America worked to stop the conversation.

[Chi-Town Exile]

68. You're Damn right we're sensitive about it!

It wasn't like my people weren't being thrown into ovens 60-70 years ago and there are still those living with the numbers that were tattooed onto their arms. Don't misunderstand, I'm not saying what was done to European Jewry justifies what is happening in Israel/Palestine, I am just trying to make others understand why some of us Jews are "touchy" when it comes to these matters.

While I don't believe discussion of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict should be censured, perhaps those that want to engage in these discussions should examine their rhetoric. There are Jewish fundies that are just as messed up as the Christian fundies here in the US, however, that doesn't mean you should be trashing all Jews because of them.

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69. I think we both have witnessed, in our lifetimes, true anti-semitic

or even racist behavior. And if you find it in this thread, then I apologize, but I don't think anything in this thread even remotely comes close to that kind of hate stirring.

[Chi-Town Exile]

70. Thank you for the apology.

I do appreciate it and I intend to research what the Covenant with Israel is because I believe we may have a situation where there is a New Testament definition of that term bumping up against the Old Testament definition.

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73. Thank you. I would appreciate the informaton.

[nodehopper]

74. okay, first of all I didn't say Orthodox

I meant politically conservative.

Who do you mean by "you"?

I am Jewish, and I have a large Russian-Jewish immigrant family here in the US, most of whom, except my parents are complete hawks on Israel and drive various cars, including pick-ups with bumperstickers just like that.

I am also against the illegal occupation of Palestinian territories and is saddened and horrified by the political bedding-down of conservative JEws and conservative Christians in America that contributes to a platform I find rooted in nothing but jinoistic religion. I find any kind of fundamentalism detrimental and insane. Are you going to argue that that kind of bumpersticker is not reflective of fundamentalist thinking? God's covenant with Israel? *I* don't think the Jews are the chosen people. But whoever sports that bumpersticker certainly is.

To me President Asshat and President Sharon are cut from the same cloth

*Some of us would just like to live our lives, be good people that take care of our families and yes, love our country the United States as well as having some care and concern about fellow Jews in the land of Israel.*

That is neither here, nor there. I have care and concern about fellow Jews in the land of Israel, I just happen to think they will be better off in a state not controlled by cryptofundamentalist interests of the Jesus Landing Pad posse.

Having said that, I agree with you that this thread is flamebait, most likely.

[Nobody]

59. Let's pay a visit to 221B Baker Street

Sherlock Holmes was good at this kind of thing. I'm going to cheat: Do you know this person?

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63. Sure. Tall guy, smoked a pipe, shot up cocaine, and had an acute

Monkish-level of observation, but in a british way.

[Nobody]

64. Had a friend who is an MD and is a writer

and was a wounded veteran.

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67. uh-huh. And believed that the outside country had more potential

for devious criminal conduct than in the city.

[mbee]

66. Saw a sticker this morning that read something like -

Work and and vote for Democracy! Also had an anti-war sign on the other side of the car.

[elehhhhna]

71. "pray that Bush honors the Covenant of the Goddamned US Constitution"

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72. here, here.

[truebrit71]

76. Amen!

nt