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President Jesus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 08:38 PM
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DeLay's judge is on board! Donated to MoveOn, Kerry, DNC
details: http://www.newsmeat.com/judiciary_political_donations/B...

Let's just hope he doles out some that world famous 'Texas justice' on DeLay's ass!

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nankerphelge Donating Member (995 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 08:42 PM
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1. For the record...
the best judge is an impartial judge. Therefore, I'd hope he wasn't "on board" with anything other than looking at the facts and applying the appropriate law. Just because the Republicans misunderstand the role of the judiciary doesn't mean that we should. O.K... I'm done complaining now.
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 08:50 PM
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7. Couldn't have said it better
I'm with you there.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 09:02 PM
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nankerphelge Donating Member (995 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 07:19 AM
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23. True...
I'm sure none of your 1800+ posts have any real import, for the record.
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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:52 PM
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22. I'm with you. nt
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comsymp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 07:29 AM
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25. Very nicely said
Edited on Thu Oct-20-05 07:35 AM by comsymp
Is it asking too much to expect both judges and reporters to be as objective as is humanly possible?
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 04:52 PM
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32. agreed.
I don't want a judge who is on "our side". I want impartial justice so Delay's crimes are not seen through a political prism.
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BigYawn Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 07:55 PM
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35. I have to agree with you, but Delay would look good in ORANGE
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 08:42 PM
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2. I Want Him to Follow The Law
I want justice for the crimes Delay commited, but never at the price of law itself.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:26 PM
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20. His credentials prove that he WILL follow the law. That is the difference
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 10:27 PM by shance
between them and us.
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enough already Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 04:12 PM
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30. By any means necessary
Whatever it takes to get that jerk behind bars is fine with me.
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 08:44 PM
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3. Actually, it's the GRAND JURY, not the judge, doing the heavy lifting
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 08:45 PM by Justitia
here. The judge is simply requiring that BugMan make an appearance at court - since the GRAND JURY has indicted him.
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President Jesus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 08:49 PM
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5. Oh. The Grand Jury issued the bench warrant? -nt
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 09:12 PM
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11. Grand Jury issued the indictments, county clerk signed arrest warrant -eom
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 08:48 PM
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4. This Is Bad
Makes it look partisan
It should be about justice and the law.
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President Jesus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 08:52 PM
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8. agreed. but at least now we know it won't be fixed
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 08:52 PM by President Jesus
and ps: this is absolutely a partisan affair through and through. Every iota of this crime reeks of partisanship.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 09:12 PM
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12. all the more reason that the prosecution should NOT be partisan
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 09:22 PM
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15. This prosecutor has prosecuted more DEMS than REPUGS.
Considering that fact, and that we are not a state exactly overflowing with Dems, it is offbase to consider Ronnie Earle as a friendly prosecutor to either side.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 09:31 PM
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17. I should've said that its important the TRIAL not be partisan
I know Earle is not partisan. My point is that posts (like the OP) that proclaim that the judge is
"on board" because he gave money to moveon.org are misguided, as are posts such as the one that defended the OP by suggesting that the crime was partisan. Absolutely it was. But that makes it all the more important that the trial (including the behavior of both the prosecutor and the judge) is not partisan.

onenote
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 09:43 PM
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18. Right, I understand. I'm confident they will handle this one w/kid gloves
I don't think they are going to give DeLay any room to cry foul as far as the proceedings go. Although I am sure he will anyway - he bitches constantly about being "persecuted".

Imagine that.
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July Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 07:23 AM
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24. You're talking about DeLay's crime, right? nt
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 09:15 PM
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13. Not really - these are elected positions, they will be of one party or
another. The individuals are elected for these jobs, the duties remain the same whether Dem or Repub.
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Zen Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:16 PM
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19. Are you kidding? Most of the judges in Texas gave to Bush/Cheney.
Would you be happier if one of the kool-aid kids was the judge?
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President Jesus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 11:37 PM
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36. Amen. My point exactly.
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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 08:50 PM
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6. Too bad the criminal case couldn't be assigned to
Ted "Bring-Your-Toothbrush" Poe, who is now a Texan freshman neocon congressman. I would love to see Ted trying to keep his integrity of severe, and unusual, sentencing practices on the bug man. Timing is everything. Hopefully, DeLay will get someone just as mean. No one deserves it more.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 08:59 PM
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9. That sucks
I want an impartial judge.

Are you looking for some kind of show trial?
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 09:18 PM
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14. We don't know he isn't impartial. He is just an administrator for the
Grand Jury at this point.

The Grand Jury issued the indictment and the county clerk signed the arrest warrant.

The judge assigned to the case (Perkins) will simply oversee BugMan's arraignment on Friday, probably take less than 15 mins.
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neoteric lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 12:36 PM
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27. What evidence to you have to say
that Judge Perkins is politically biased towards this case and won't fulfill his duty to be an impartial magistrate. Just because he donated ~$2000 to the Dems/Kerry in '04, that in no way means that he cannot uphold his oath. Political donations are considered free speech. I know the Right will spin this, like they always do.
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readmylips Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 09:24 PM
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16. Gee, shouted to the world....
You're giving ideas to the bugman and repig talking heads. Who cares, the judge has to follow the rule of law. Something the repigs crap on.
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:36 PM
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21. Damnit
This gives DeLay potential ground for an appeal and retrial.
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 09:10 AM
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26. Uh, how? Should all defendants have juries / judges from their own party?
I really don't see how this affects his trial one way or the other.

The gov't positions are all elected offices, chosen by the people.
We don't poll juries based on their political affiliation.

But since I'm a badly outnumbered partisan TX Dem - hey, I like your suggestion - next time I'm in traffic court, I'm going to insist on a 100% Dem panel of folks!
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 04:00 PM
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29. I have never once heard of a judge's political donations being grounds for
appeal.

Judges are either elected or are political appointments. Our judicial system would fall apart if a judge's political affiliation were grounds for appeal.

I think Delay's lawyers would need a much more compelling argument for appealing than this guy gave money to Democrats.

Not saying one doesn't exist, but this isn't enough, IMO.
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 01:31 PM
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28. maybe he can redistrict Delay into an 8 x 6 jail cell
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 04:15 PM
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31. So, let me get this straight. You want him to be as corrupt
as DeLay. Only you figure that if he is "on board" with the left wing, corruption is okay.
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President Jesus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 06:40 PM
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33. for once I'm happy to know 'the fix' isn't in for their side...
...like it has been for decades.

I'm not suggesting Perkins is corrupt...I'm simply pointing out that this is one judge those cretins likely don't have in their pockets.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 06:46 PM
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34. That concerns me. Republicans could claim this is a Democratic conspiracy
against DeLay with a fairly decent dose of evidence if that is the case. Obviously DeLay is a crook, but he also could be put in a strong political position with this information.
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flaminbats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 12:11 AM
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37. this is the end of Tom Delay as a force in politics
Edited on Fri Oct-21-05 12:12 AM by flaminbats
Now that Delay isn't the majority leader, why would Republicans risk their majority in Congress and reputations for this backstabber? If they do, that will only help us win control of Congress. If they don't, Tom Delay will resign from Congress before the end of the year.

More importantly, Tom Delay's legal fate is now in the hands of the grand jury and prosecutor.
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