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hvn_nbr_2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 01:30 PM
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Judy Miller's "found" notebook, Winpac, aspen clusters, and her vacations
When I first heard that Miller "found" another notebook almost immediately after getting out of jail, I was pretty suspicious. I've worked with engineers who keep a notebook of all they work on and ideas they have. These notebooks can be vital in patent disputes, for instance, to establish who was thinking about or telling whom about what and when. Everything is dated, any gaps or missing notebooks are obvious, any phony fudged notebook that overlaps another is mighty suspicious. I can't imagine that journalists don't at least keep track of their notebooks, which they'll need for any discussions with editors and publishers or for any disputes about their credibility. That she had a notebook that she forgot about is inconceivable to me, and that a notebook was lost and was not an issue for being lost is equally inconceivable.

Then when an article (I think by her, but don't remember for sure) talked about that sentence in parentheses in her notes "Wife works for Winpac," I became really suspicious. For any who haven't heard, Winpac is a CIA group that does stuff about WMDs and such but isn't at all under cover. So this seems to show that maybe some of the people involved innocently didn't think Plame was doing anything secret. Yeah, right. So why has no one at any time during this whole two year episode ever mentioned the name Winpac before now? If that was legit, they'd have brought it up long before now, and corporate newsaganda would have made Winpac almost synonymous with CIA. Another angle on this relates to all the recent news about how this "incorrect fact" may lead Fitzgerald to find out where the misinformation came from. Or, I might add, it sends the prosecutor off on a wild goose chase.

This found notebook with the evidence of innocent misunderstanding doesn't pass even the most basic smell test for me.

Now I digress for a moment but will bring the digression back together. Back to when Judy was still in jail and Scooter sent her that cryptic, obviously coded message:

You went into jail in the summer. It is fall now. You will have stories to coverIraqi elections and suicide bombers, biological threats and the Iranian nuclear program. Out West, where you vacation, the aspens will already be turning. They turn in clusters, because their roots connect them. Come back to work-and life. Until then, you will remain in my thoughts and prayers.

So far everyone seems to interpret that to mean that he's telling her that everyone is flipping and turning state's evidence or that all the "important" people at that conference in Aspen are dropping Bush, but that just doesn't feel right to me. Further, that statement "out west, where you vacation" has always struck me as odd from the first time I read it. Why would he need to remind her where she vacations?

My question is this: Does anyone know or has anyone even asked if she really does vacation out west? Here's what I'm getting at. In my Walter Mitty fantasies, one fantasy once was being held captive by (insert whatever criminal, terrorist, enemy group) and forced to write and sign some propaganda, confession, claim that I'm not being tortured, or whatever. How to communicate that what I'm writing is a lie and I don't really believe it? Insert some seemingly offhand, casual remark that will seem innocuous to anyone who doesn't know me but will tell someone who knows me that this isn't right. For example, "Go Raiders" would seem like a normal thing for someone from the San Francisco/Oakland area to say, but people who know me know I'm a 49ers fan. That would say "This whole document is a lie" or "This particular statement is a lie." A reminiscence about a love tryst or a trip or a vacation that never happened would do the same.

So, does Judy really vacation out West? Maybe Scooter is really saying, "Despite what you may fear, our group of aspens isn't turning. We're hanging together." Remember that this was before the news reports of someone in the White House having flipped.

Now look again at the sequence of sentences in the coded paragraph, particularly "stories to tell," "aspens turning (or not)," and "come back to work." You could paraphrase that sequence thus: "Judy, we've worked together on scamming propaganda stories and had/have plans for many more. Despite what you fear or may even have heard, we're all sticking together. We have another story to do now, and we need you to do it, so come back."

So she gets out of jail and immediately "finds" a notebook with a note that makes it all an innocent misunderstanding, at least for some of the people involved.

Alternatively, if she really does vacation out west, then the statement about the aspens turning and the seasons changing just says, time is slipping by, time is of the essence, get your butt out here where you can help us and save your own butt.

If Fitzgerald doesn't ask the grand jury for indictments today or Friday, I'm hoping it's because he's waiting for forensic tests on Judy's "found" notebook and for other investigation to determine questions such as these:
  • Does the ink in the "Wife works at Winpac" sentence match the ink on the rest of that page? Same ink, same age, on paper and exposed to air the same amount of time?
  • Is the whole notebook and the ink in it as old as it purports to be?
  • Where does Judy Miller vacation?
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 01:37 PM
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1. As a journalist, I gotta say...
I have mountains of notebooks, some scattered across my desk here at work, others strewn about my home. It'd be very easy to misplace them. But then again, I'm not Judy Miller. She seems a bit more fastidious than I am.
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 01:43 PM
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2. The first time I read the letter I thought Libby
(the writer) must be waxing poetic. Then I re-read it and have come to the conclusion he was warning her. The WH mob sticks together and now she is on her own. It would not surprise me if Judy is indicted. We all know she deserves it. She is involved much more than has been published. They, at the WH, may be forming the hit squad now.
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GayCanuck Donating Member (170 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 01:50 PM
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3. Something is
missing; I would think a reporter would be great at remembering details such as who told her Valerie's name. My guess is that someone at the New York Times does not want Judy to reveal someone else who is involved in the leaking as it could prove to be extremely embarrassing to the management runnning the paper, hardly a friend of the bushco White House. Maybe it was Joe Wilson himself? Just playing devil's advocate, about all I can do here from Canada.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 02:37 PM
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4. N.B. - Post # 911 for hvn_nbr_2
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 02:38 PM by SpiralHawk
What could poSSiblY be the koZmiQuE iMpliCaTioNs of this ?
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 02:39 PM
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5. I think there should be a "carbon-14" test done on these.
Does the ink in the "Wife works at Winpac" sentence match the ink on the rest of that page? Same ink, same age, on paper and exposed to air the same amount of time?

Is the whole notebook and the ink in it as old as it purports to be?

I am serious! These notes were added after the face and believe me, Fitz spotted this.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 02:47 PM
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I was wondering..
.... if there was a scientific test that could determine that.

But if there is, surely Miller would know that, wouldn't she?

I don't put anything past her but that sure sounds risky...
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hvn_nbr_2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 06:27 PM
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9. Desperate people do desperate (and stupid) things.
I haven't heard of any kind of forensic examination of anything in this case. Could be they just never even thought about it. This gang of criminals don't think of themselves as crooks leaving evidence.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 02:47 PM
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6. I was hoping...
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 02:47 PM by sendero
that was seen as a double-click. Sorry, dupe post.
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hvn_nbr_2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 03:59 PM
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7. It seems so obviously suspicious...
that Fitzgerald or people in his office must have suspected something. I don't know if carbon-14 testing is that fine-tuned for short periods of a couple years, since it can test back to 10,000+ years. But there must be something. Modern forensic science is pretty amazing. Anyone who committed a crime in the last 40 years and left any physical evidence should be sweating bullets.
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 05:00 PM
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8. Yeah, maybe not a carbon-14, but there MUST be some kinds
of forensic test to determine whether these new "notes" were written after the fact.
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