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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:46 AM
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Freaky Fun with Freepers: read my post at the Freak show!
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 10:53 AM by npincus
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1505104/posts?q=...

before they take it down and boot me out! This thread had all the freaks howling about how Plame's CIA status was not covert. Let's see the Freeps hop all over my ass! tee hee.


To: BIRDS
What about the following regarding Plame's status as "secret" (CIA's classifiation for covert operatives) DON'T you understand?:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...


A classified State Department memorandum central to a federal leak investigation contained information about CIA officer Valerie Plame in a paragraph marked "(S)" for secret, a clear indication that any Bush administration official who read it should have been aware the information was classified, according to current and former government officials.

Plame -- who is referred to by her married name, Valerie Wilson, in the memo -- is mentioned in the second paragraph of the three-page document, which was written on June 10, 2003, by an analyst in the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research (INR), according to a source who described the memo to The Washington Post.

The paragraph identifying her as the wife of former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV was clearly marked to show that it contained classified material at the "secret" level, two sources said. The CIA classifies as "secret" the names of officers whose identities are covert, according to former senior agency officials.

Anyone reading that paragraph should have been aware that it contained secret information, though that designation was not specifically attached to Plame's name and did not describe her status as covert, the sources said. It is a federal crime, punishable by up to 10 years in prison, for a federal official to knowingly disclose the identity of a covert CIA official if the person knows the government is trying to keep it secret.


58 posted on 10/19/2005 7:39:15 AM PDT by W4ever (Long live Bush and Cheney!)
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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:50 AM
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1. You put "Long live Bush and Cheney!" in your SIG LINE?
:rofl:
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:52 AM
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3. I thought "Heil Hitler!" was too obvious
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Verve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:51 AM
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2. W4ever (Long live Bush and Cheney!)????
ROTFL :rofl:
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:58 AM
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4. Next time put "W-Still the President" (even though we here know it really
should be "W-Still a Miserable Failure"
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:58 AM
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5. The Shit Storm Begins! See angry Freepers respond!
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 10:59 AM by npincus
Wow- so quick! DU is infested with Lurkers! It just goes to show that the Freaks come to DU to gather wisdom before they go back to their deep, dark caves. tee hee


To: W4ever
npincus (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-19-05 10:46 AM Original message Freaky Fun with Freepers: read my post at the Freak show! Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 10:49 AM by npincus http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1505104/posts?q= ... before they take it down and boot me out! This thread had all the freaks howling about how Plame's CIA status was not covert. Let's see the Freeps hop all ovetr my ass! tee hee.
So this is you? So Long, butthat!


60 posted on 10/19/2005 7:52:07 AM PDT by meandog (FUDU)
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:40 AM
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14. ooh! He called you butthat!
I'm sure you're crushed. Simply crushed.
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Virginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:59 AM
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6. It took six minutes
For them to read your post on DU and post a reply to you on Freeperville.

I guess they have trollers monitoring the competition constantly.
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:12 AM
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10. Not much else to do
In mom's basement.
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:04 AM
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7. my post has been scrubbed: here's another response
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 11:13 AM by npincus
This one is polite, at least, though quite tortured in it's logic.

To: W4ever
For starters, it's a "S" for "secret" classification, and while important, it still is not clear that she was "covert" status as an operative given different types of identification. THAT SHE WAS EMPLOYED BY THE CIA was NOT a secret and that she was identified by whomever as being employed there is not a violation of anything by anyone (Rove is said to have said about her, that she was, as wife to Wilson, "with the Agency" and that's not an outrageous unknown, given that he was stating about her what was by that time public knowledge about Plame).

I understand a lot. If the issue was so clearly understandable as to your view and the WAPO's, there'd be no investigation at all, 'cause Wilson would have had Rove already "frog marched out of the White House," right after he paraded his CIA-employed wife all over the front page of an international magazine and discussed her with just about anyone and everyone he could muster to listen.

I'm just saying that there is a very restrictive law about what is punishable by that law and what is not as to revealing the covert status of a certain type of covert employee of the CIA AND the laws only provide recourse if a employee of that status has been active status as such within a certain length of time prior to the revelation (I can't quote the time frame here, but it's, for instance, five years, maybe eight/ten, but not longer...the person of issue has to have been of a certain classification within that time frame inorder to be covered by the law, for there to be a crime involved if position is revealed by someone else).

I've read the story from start to go and I still think that Joe Wilson is far more problematic than nearly all on the left is willing to admit and I am wondering if but Plame's now "not remembering who" told her Plame's name is because she can't expose them. Not remembering seems preposterous given her willingness to cover for whoever it was she can't now remember's name.

Wilson worked for Kerry on his campaign and given Kerry's gruesome dedication to ruining what is honorable and sincere, I think that Wilson worked very, very hard to create a situation and impale specific targets by way of his work, which to my view, is espionage.




61 posted on 10/19/2005 7:56:16 AM PDT by BIRDS
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and here's more from the same person (tee hee... nothing like a little truth to get under one's skin):



To: W4ever
AND, that cut'n'paste that you include as WAPO published, does not specifically name Plame as a covert agent.

AND, Karl Rove is quoted as having said, and only as having said, that "(Plame) was, you know, with the Agency..."

It's Joe Wilson who has made the allegations afterward that all that "MEANS" (1.) his wife was a secret agent with the CIA and no one knew she worked there otherwise and that (2.) Karl Rove revealed her identity as a secret agent with the CIA.

None of that is proven, and if it was, the investigation would have been long over by now.

The article you quote just states policy level, administrative level information. It does not specify whether Plame was "a secret agent" or if she was, at what time in her work history (dates) she was or was not, nor what was revealed about her by whom. It just states that she was included in a document with information labelled "S" and that because of that, she'd have had secret/covert agent status OR HAD ACCESS TO THAT DOCUMENT. Since she was known to have an administrative position there, it could just be possible that she had access.

Another thing and that is that even Rove has stated that he thought she was "with the Agency" as in, an employee there, in an administrative capacity. That's all. Novak was the guy who wrote her up later as being of secret agent classification.



64 posted on 10/19/2005 8:02:12 AM PDT by BIRDS
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drb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:06 AM
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8. Looks like ol' Rim Job is pretty quick with the "delete" key...
...but you know what would be fun? (Not that we could actually ever get our poop in a pile to do this, or even that we should...)

Get about 500 folks over the couse of a month or so to sign up in freeperville, and then do a simultaneous mass reply to all the bullshit posts over there....
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:07 AM
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9. ya mean a little DU-style "Shock and Awe"?
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 11:18 AM by npincus
tee hee
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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:22 AM
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11. The next time you venture over there...
PM me, and I'll post the link and say nasty things about you.
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:28 AM
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12. tee hee
this is my second expulsion...I think my other ID was ILuvW or something like that. Based on my first expulsion, I will get a nasty-gram in my Inbox informing me I am no longer a member of the elite Freak Club, and politely telling to go fuck myself (not with expletives).

So, I suppose I won't get to post there, until I join again- if I get the urge, that is!

But thanks for the offer! How often do you post there?

I was going to keep a low profile for awhile but I got so overwhelmed by the stupidity on that thread I capitulated.
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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 01:03 PM
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18. I only tried it once.
I lasted about 5 minutes.

You really got them going, though!

My favorite posts: Rogue CIA agents are out to get the president; and, The CIA probably made up her covert status.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 01:14 PM
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19. I almost made up a scandal over there...
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 01:16 PM by npincus
...I thought about dropping hints that I was getting it on with a top-tier member of the Chimp Admin, but thought things might get out of control.

Me no like trouble. Me just like to start trouble.

tee hee
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 02:43 PM
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21. That's the tricky part. In order to remain a freep in good standing,
it's essential to have a lot of self-control. That can be hard to do sometimes.

And if you post here about what you did there, you're sure to be found out. Freepers troll around at DU constantly.
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:36 AM
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13. "YOU JUST BLEW YOUR COVER DUER!! " says angry Freeper!
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 11:36 AM by npincus
tee hee

To: W4ever; All
YOU JUST BLEW YOUR COVER DUER!!
Freaky Fun with Freepers: read my post at the Freak show!
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 10:53 AM by npincus

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1505104/posts?q= ...

before they take it down and boot me out! This thread had all the freaks howling about how Plame's CIA status was not covert. Let's see the Freeps hop all over my ass! tee hee.


To: BIRDS
What about the following regarding Plame's status as "secret" (CIA's classifiation for covert operatives) DON'T you understand?:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20 ...


A classified State Department memorandum central to a federal leak investigation contained information about CIA officer Valerie Plame in a paragraph marked "(S)" for secret, a clear indication that any Bush administration official who read it should have been aware the information was classified, according to current and former government officials.

Plame -- who is referred to by her married name, Valerie Wilson, in the memo -- is mentioned in the second paragraph of the three-page document, which was written on June 10, 2003, by an analyst in the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research (INR), according to a source who described the memo to The Washington Post.

The paragraph identifying her as the wife of former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV was clearly marked to show that it contained classified material at the "secret" level, two sources said. The CIA classifies as "secret" the names of officers whose identities are covert, according to former senior agency officials.

Anyone reading that paragraph should have been aware that it contained secret information, though that designation was not specifically attached to Plame's name and did not describe her status as covert, the sources said. It is a federal crime, punishable by up to 10 years in prison, for a federal official to knowingly disclose the identity of a covert CIA official if the person knows the government is trying to keep it secret.


58 posted on 10/19/2005 7:39:15 AM PDT by W4ever (Long live Bush and Cheney!)
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71 posted on 10/19/2005 8:21:14 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers, Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason!)
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joeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:52 AM
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15. I posted there today and it got pulled in 42 seconds
They can't handle the truth
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:54 AM
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16. wow! got a copy of it? what was the subject?
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:55 AM
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17. LOL! Good one! Personally, I can't even bear the thought of posting there!
My stomach isn't strong enough to overcome the stench of sweaty freepers panicking.

:rofl:
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 01:53 PM
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20. I notice that in their discussion of Plame's covert or not covert status
none of the coprophagic freepers ever ask why Ashcroft found it necessary to recuse himself. Was it because Ashcroft made the simple and obvious determination that Plame was not covert? That would make freeper sense. Or was it because Ashcroft determined that crimes likely had been committed and he didn't want to let his eagle get sore?
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 02:48 PM
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22. this thread is hilarious
I didn't realized freepers trolled here that much. They caught you pretty quickly.

So if DUers randomly cut and paste various posts from FR and claim them as our own, the actual freeper will get booted? Sounds fun
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 04:08 PM
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23. hey... BRILLIANT suggestion, GloriaSmith!
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