Calling all DU'ers! Give me the Worst Sh**t you can Throw at Al Gore!

[KoKo]

I want you to "pretend" you are Freepers, Right Wingers and the WHORE M$dia. I want you to tell me in your grossist epitheths
WHY....you hope that Gore NEVER RUNS AGAIN!

Give me your dirtest Freeper/Bush Crapola! I wan't "Buddist Temple Donations" and "PAC MONEY" that compares to Tom DeLay..

I want IT ALL TO HANG OUT....EARLY...so that IF Gore runs again ..IT's ALL OUT THERE? EVERYTHING THE Right Wing threw and "could throw" should be on the TABLE.

Why is GORE UNFIT TO BE PRESIDENT? Don't be SHY...the Repugs wont be if Gore is asked to serve when he doesn't want to. He will need more help than even we gave Kerry.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. He wore earth tones.

[Cha]

42. Not only that..

he listened to Naomi Wolff when doing it.



I got one of my own..Gore only was a reporter in Vietnam..he didn't see any combat! Course, if he did..we would Swift Boat his Ass!

[Book Lover]

2. Because his wife advocated censorship

And don't give me any crap about how those stoopid "advisory" labels aren't censorship! </freeper>

[renie408]

10. Is that is that a freeper reason? Aren't they are all about censorship?

[Book Lover]

14. Good point, but freepers *are* hypocrites

So take it or leave it as you like

[mzmolly]

173. Oh no, them NASCAR Dads want that porn handy and uncensored.

A conservative friend of ours bitches about Tipper Gore at every chance.

[The Backlash Cometh]

48. I realize you're playing devil's advocate, but...

aren't the labels on the music today?

I can't believe how many people get their asses kicked in for being ahead of their time. Think about Clinton with gay rights and national health care. There will be a day when we will look back at it the way we wonder why it took so long to allow women the right to vote.

[jayctravis]

111. True...the labels ALLOW people to purchase media with mature content that

might not be obvious from a glance at the cover.

A movie's not usually difficult, but a CD or a game could possibly not clue as to the content.

But seriously, the people who are shocked that the game they bought for their kids called GRAND THEFT AUTO has mature content deserve any embarassment they encounter.

[BlueJac]

3. The freepers already shot their wad on Gore.....

and Gore still won. They had to cheat to in Florida to win.

[nevergiveup]

7. Gore has the personality of a

fence post.

[rzemanfl]

11. * has the personality of a cow flop sitting by a fence post. n/t

[laruemtt]

161. i don't get it -

i like gore's personality. i especially love his wicked droll sense of humor.

[readmoreoften]

162. okay, well there's one...

Gore's ain't go no normal murkin sense of humor. He don't watch the world wrestlin' on the television. He got one of them complicated, smarty-pants frenchie martini-drinking senses of humor, which ain't no sense of humor at all, really. He must be a gay.

[BlueJac]

16. plus all the rails.......

so you like GW's.....


anyone with some balls in '08

[Totally Committed]

4. Al's not running, so he says:

Former Vice President Al Gore -- the 2000 Democratic nominee for President who won more total popular votes than the ultimate "winner" of the race -- was frequently mentioned as a prospect for the 2008 race. Despite the wide speculation, Gore made it clear in March 2005 that he will not be a candidate for President in 2008. According to MSNBC's Chris Matthews, Gore let the early word out of his disinterest leak out "to end speculation about a campaign that will never occur." In fact, Gore has stated he does not plan to ever again seek political office. Instead, he wants to focus on his environmental activism and building a national, liberal television network. Despite this, a few "Draft Gore" groups remain active, with AlGore-'08.com and Al Gore Support Center being the two most active. Gore resisted similar draft movements in 2004.

Other related links: Clinton-Gore Alumni (White House alumni organization); Wikipedia: Al Gore (online resource).

http://www.politics1.com/p2008-dems.htm#gore

So, until or unless he changes his mind, this thread is just an invitation to smear the guy gratuitously.

[pretzel4gore]

20. although this is a 'world socialist'

website source, it refers to a widely watched '60 minutes' interview...it seems that President Gore should at least admit why he no longer thinks the country is worth fighting for:

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/dec2002/gore-d21.shtm...

snip>
For several months Gore had been aggressively preparing the way for a rematch with George W. Bush, making speeches on foreign and domestic policy, appearing on television interview programs, and conducting a national book tour with his wife. According to opinion polls, he was, by a wide margin, the first choice of Democratic voters to challenge Bush in 2004.

But the critical constituency for a viable presidential run was to be found not in voting precincts, but rather in corporate boardrooms, network office suites and the top echelons of the Democratic Party apparatus. Among the few hundred individuals who really “count” in shaping American electoral politics, Gore was decidedly out of favor.

Their verdict was reflected in sluggish fundraising and what Gore associates called the “skeptical media coverage” of his book tour. The blow to Gore’s presidential aspirations was softened, according to press reports, by the former vice president’s new-found wealth, gained in part from a vice chairmanship at a West Coast investment firm.

In explaining his decision, Gore has offered only one political motivation—but it is a highly significant one. Referring obliquely to the 36-day battle over the Florida vote and the Supreme Court ruling that ultimately handed the presidency to his Republican opponent, Gore told his “60 Minutes” interviewer, “I think a campaign that would be a rematch between myself and President Bush would inevitably involve a focus on the past that would, in some measure, distract from the focus on the future that I think all campaigns have to be about.”

In other words, a second Gore-Bush contest would inevitably raise the overtly anti-democratic manner in which the 2000 election crisis was resolved, and bring into question the legitimacy of the Bush administration. In his desire to avoid such issues, Gore reflects a preoccupation of the entire ruling elite and both political parties.

<snip

[drummo]

62. 'world socialist'???

Why not quote Stalin about Gore?

[Uncle Joe]

23. Chris Matthew is a liar, and Al Gore would not have told him

if he was not planning on running, he would come out with a news statement just like he did in 2004. When are you people going to figure out that Chris Matthews is just a cog in the corpwhorate owned MSM that waged their War Against Gore ever since 1998?

[Admiral Loinpresser]

49. A single source and it's Tweety....

quoting an unnamed source.

BWA- HAAAH- HAAAH

Matthews would rather sell his mother to the Arabs than give a pro-Gore report. It's like believing anything Judith Miller says about Iraq. Occaisionally there's a snippet of correct info, but it's the exception that proves the rule.

Have to do a little better on the credibility scale.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

50. Plus many more unnamed source reports to the contrary. n/t

[drummo]

60. That's Chris Matthew's unnamed source.

Doesn't mean shit.

[jayctravis]

112. I can understand not wanting to clean up after 8 years of Bush...

which would you rather have, the world at the end of the Clinton term, or Bush2'lectricBoogaloo?

[thereismore]

5. he is wooden nt

[rzemanfl]

9. I'll take wooden over stupid any day. n/t

[ElsewheresDaughter]

44. "got wood?"....he is a fucking OAK!

[rzemanfl]

6. He invented them internet(s), he was a character in that sappy

"Love Story," he grew a beard once, he sweats a lot-but under his arms, not on his back like Dubyah and it doesn't smell like Jim Beam...

Seriously, the thing I hold against him the most is that stupid staged phone call about the Florida recount. That was feeble. That and picking that turncoat wimp Liebermann as his running mate, but who'da known he'd become a * kisser.

[Cha]

43. Lest we not forget..

Tommy Lee JOnes was Gore's roommate at Harvard. Surely they make some shit out that?

[bearfan454]

8. I could just see a freeper saying:

I hope Al Gore doesn't run because NO ONE can beat Diebold and it would highlight the vote stealing.

[texastoast]

12. Why didn't he respond to the

"I invented the internet" myth? We know he didn't say it, but he was spineless for not refuting it. Spineless men do not belong in the White House (oh wait, yes they do).

[Dr Fate]

31. it was the same reaction Kerry had to SBVs- I blame the "strategists"

The Donna Brazille & Mary-Beth Cahill types seem to think swing-voters ignore these things- they do not.

[drummo]

63. I think he assumed that most people are not

complete idiots.

Well, I'm not so sure about that anymore.

[drummo]

95. Exuse me but if you don't defend YOURSELF that is not spineless

If you don't defend OTHERS that is spineless

[renie408]

13. He is an elitist insider, a professional politician

He is self-aggrandizing and snooty. He is a LIBERAL.

[AntiFascist]

72. and Kerry isn't? n/t

[drummo]

175. Is he a liberal?

Any evidence?

[Coastie for Truth]

15. Too intelligent, too honest

Smarter then the average voter.

Smarter then the average GOP candidate

Better Scriptural knowledge then the average GOP voter.

He actually studied "THEOLOGY" at Vanderbilt, not "BIBLE" at some "intelligent design" "Bible College."

Served as an enlisted man in VietNam.

Not as a "6 month" Reservist

[El Supremo]

17. Couldn't even win his home state.

(Don't have to be a Freeper to push that)

[drummo]

64. Tennessee was not his homestate.

At least not he only one.

[_ed_]

18. Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton

Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Bill Clinton

That's all their criticisms usually boil down to.

[KoKo]

24. It's more likely Gore would go up Against: Hillary Clinton, Hillary

Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Hillary Clinton...and on Ad Infinitum. .....

Media Whores on C-Span Washington Journal picked Hillary. Dan Balz of WaPo did specifically.

Matt Cooper of Plamegate Fame...picked GORE...as the "Comeback Kid."

Who knows?

[AntiFascist]

73. What would be worse....

allowing Bill Clinton back into the White House, or Gore, who had absolutely nothing to do with Monica-gate?

[Name removed]

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[KoKo]

21. Al Gore let down the Black Caucus Dems when the "rang down the gavel"

on those who KNEW HE WON...and ASKED HIM TO CONTEST?

This is the hardest question to all that Al Gore would ever have to answer, IMHO...

I wonder how he would answer?

[drummo]

65. He had no option.

You need a Senator to contest an election. Noone signed the petition.

[Dr Fate]

22. He is a LIAR.

Said he invented the internet, said he was the inspiration for Love Story, said he succored tobacco on his farm, said he was a t a disaster site and was not.

I'll give you 5 minutes to debunk.

[KoKo]

26. Good Grief, ...the worst was when Gore said he and Tipper were what

"Love Story" was based on! Great Catch...it's much worse than that "Internet" declaration.

I just wonder how many folks out there...even know these days or will in 2008 what "Love Story" was about.

Or, what all the hell the rest was about. BUT! Stopping Dead in my Possum Tracks...What will NAIL HIM IS!

The Right Wing just think's "HE SUCKS." And, that's enough AMMO to drag up his whole past and dirty laundry against whatever RW SAINT of the CHRISTIAN RIGHT they RUN against DEMS!

so...better to know the laundry than to ignore what's in it.

[Dr Fate]

30. Gore is not a liar- all this was debunked. n/t

n/t

[KoKo]

46. I forgot to put on the "sarcasm" emoticom..

My post was pure sarcasm...but sorry I should have alerted folks. This is really a "pro-Gore" post. Just wanted every bit of dirt about Gore to come out now in anticipation of what the Freep/Swift Boat type Liars would throw at him.

Sorry, I threw you off there.

[CTyankee]

160. Well, he did a lot to

facilitate the public's access to the Internet but I don't think he ever said he "invented" it.

I truly don't know, and don't care, about the Love STory thing.

Nor do I know anything about the tobacco thing. What was it?

The disaster site thing I believe was hyped unfairly. As I understand it, Gore was at numerous disaster sites with James Lee Witt but got one confused.

I think the REAL issue may be with his campaign's use of Willie Horton. I read about that a long time ago and worried about it. If he was the original user of Willie Horton it would be a very bad thing, IMHO, not only morally but also p.r.wise. It could hurt him rightfully so if true with black voters (any voters for that matter who care about civil rights, which I assume we all do here at DU).

[drummo]

176. He NEVER used Willie Horton

Never mentioned his name.

Never mentioned any prisoner's name.

He attacked the furlough policy -- which is what a canidate should do during these campaigns and let's face it it was an insane policy -- but he never used or tried to use Willie Horton against Dukakis.

Dukakis himself confirmed that in an interview.

Horton was brought up first by the Bush campaign. Lee Atwater did it he later appologized for it.

The Gore-Horton stuff is just another media hype about the guy. Has no basis in reality whatsoever.

And he NEVER said he invented the Internet. The first who put those words to his mouth was -- guess who? -- Dan Quayle.

[CTyankee]

178. I am glad to hear it

because these refutations are not out there. I did know, because thank god there are some truthtellers amongst the media, that Gore never claimed to have invented the Internet. His record on Internet facilitation is there for all to see, with a little research. It is impressive.

[Clarkie1]

25. Why are the Democrats obsessed with the past? They have no new ideas

or even a new candidate. It's time for the country to move forward, not back.

[drummo]

66. Clark is not new, sorry -- he ran and lost, unlike Gore

who ran and won.

And Gore has been usually ahead of time not behind.

If there is anyone who is foreward looking that's Gore.

Far more than Clark. Or Dean. Or Hillary. Or 999 999 people out of 1 million.

[Crunchy Frog]

88. Actually, Gore ran in the 1988 primary and lost.

Which either demonstrates "once a loser always a loser", or that failing to win the nomination in one primary cycle doesn't necessarily rule out a later successful win.

I'm not trying to slam Gore. Only pointing out that he did lose the first time he ran in the primaries.

[drummo]

117. I know. And I didn't try to suggest that Clark cannot run or win again

because he lost in 2004. I just reacted to the poster who stressed that Gore is 'old' and Clark is somehow 'new' and that we need a 'new face' just because it's a 'new' face.

Obviously Clark is not a new face.

Which is not a bad thing, quite to the contrary.

Bush was 'new' and what was it good for.

The fact that someone is 'old' can mean that he actually has the qualifications to govern at the federal level.

[Crunchy Frog]

144. Agreed.

[Clarkie1]

93. Try telling that to the American People, not me.

Perceptions count, and Gore is old-hat.

Also, Gore's been running for president since 1988. 20 years is a long time.

[janx]

106. You're being sarcastic, right?

?

[drummo]

118. Yeah? Older than Hillary? Older that Clark?

Hello?

Where was Hillary in the 90s? Exactly where Gore was.

Gore was in politics after 1977. And the Clintons? Check it out.

[unrepuke]

27. Can't spell potato

...and prolly says 'Nuclear'

[kid a]

41. wrong VP

[NMDemDist2]

28. I will be keeping an eye on this "intellectual exercise"

I can see why it may be a good idea, but I think it's WAY too soon for any Presidential vetting, we may be better served probing for weaknesses in the congressional campaigns of 2006.

We'll see how the other mods feel, and please don't use sexist language (aka b*tch or pussy) to describe his actions/wife/etc.

[kid a]

39. do we need to know this from, and as a mod? nt

Is this an official warning?

[NMDemDist2]

52. nope an "official" warning would be by "moderator" not in my username

but the OP alerted and asked the thread be left alone and since it was alerted it will be discussed amongst the mods (as all alerts are)

Several of the mods think these negative attacks on leading Democrats are counter productive, but I think I see what KoKo's trying to accomplish here.

I just wanted to check in and let you know that generally these attack threads are not appreciated and that language and civility rules should be followed as always.

No hidden meaning here mostly because I believe we need to vet our candidates well, even though I think the 2006 elections are MUCH more vital right now than flights of 2008 fantasy. However GDP is full of it every day so what can ya do?

[Freedomfried]

29. He "claims" he invented the "internets"

hahahahaha!

[Ediacara]

32. Budhist Temple nonsense and the fact he's a "chronic liar"

[Ferret Annica]

33. Check this LP thread from time to time to see what genuine Republicans hav

http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=11142...

I transplanted your header to it to give them a shot at it. It is in the "Biker Bar," so don't worry, that is a place designed for threads like this.

[Lisa]

34. he's boring! He takes flip-charts with global warming graphs to parties!

Real Americans don't want to look at information, and THINK about issues!

And he has a really weird sense of humor. How dare he laugh at himself? That's so frivolous. A Real President would have had these guys executed.

http://hacks.mit.edu/Hacks/by_year/1996/gore/

[drummo]

68. Yeeehaaa Al Gore Buzzword Bingo!

[AntiFascist]

77. I recall that Sen. Boxer was the first politician...

to address Congress noting the coincidence of energy trading (via Enron and others) and the incidence of power outages in the Calif. energy crisis, using flip-charts. Flip-charts can be a very good thing!

[VOX]

35. **Gore couldn't even win his home state! He's a compulsive liar!**

**He exaggerates everything! He didn't even win as many counties as Bush! He endorsed that insane communist Howard Dean! He's affiliated with that socialist-hippie group MoveOn! He got a cushy "senator's son "deal in Nam! He claimed that "Love Story" was about him! He claimed that he invented the Internet! He covered up all of Bill Clinton's murders! He raised money from a Buddhist temple! He's a whiner! He's boring! He's a "policy wonk!" He's a loser!**

I have to go lie down now -- playing freeper is exhausting.

[Guaranteed]

36. I think that's about the worst they've got. Good post.

[Don1]

37. okay

this is just pretend. i kind of like Gore.

he's arrogant. (he thinks he invented the Internet).

he's robotic and can't identify with people. he was way too privileged growing up and can't identify with the poor farmers.

he's one of those liberals who is weak on national security and doesn't care about your family values.

he's an environmental terrorist commie.

[Rowdyboy]

38. He lost 2 debates to GW Bush and picked Joe Lieberman as his Veep

Neither of those makes any sense at all to me.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

45. xs 2

[drummo]

69. Actually, Gore won ALL three debates, according to most

polls.

He lost the post-debate spin which is another matter.
Thanks the media for it. They were ready to do it no matter what Gore would have done.

In Bill's words: they did it just because they could

[rzemanfl]

40. HERE'S WHY! HERE'S WHY!!!

"Online media break Gore-for-Smut Story 10/1" buzzflash.com

If he's for smut, how can you back him????

[seaglass]

47. He sighs. n/t

[MoonRiver]

51. I hate this phrase, but it's what they'll use: Sore Loserman.

Even though Lieberman would likely have nothing to do with Al's next, hypothetical, campaign, those scum would definitely drag out this tired, old, and infinitely stupid meme.

[seabeyond]

53. i like gore, i like kerry, i like wes clark and dean and edwards

and boxer and conyers and clinton ok but dont want her to run, but will vote for her, i like biden, and so many more. we the democratic party has a lot of good and smart and experienced people to place in the white house, even though we the democratic party like to say we are leaderless and useless people, i totally disagree.

[mbee]

54. Too brilliant - we like dumbo better!

[Greybnk48]

55. He's freakish looking, he has no eyebrows

I actually know someone who would not vote for him for this reason!!

[drummo]

58. Wait! That's Gephardt

[drummo]

84. Is that person blind? Gore does have eyebrows.

[TankLV]

56. NO! I like him better every new day!

Sorry.

[drummo]

57. I like this thread.

Gore is crazy. Scream: he betrayed the country, How dare they... etc. (Man I loved that speech)

Gore is a serial exaggerator, pathological liar, corrupt, would say anything to get elected.

He flip-flopped on Iraq, he is a liberal, he is a far-left liberal, he is a soft-on-defense liberal

He is a political hack, he calculates, poll-driven, consultant-driven, internal combustion engine-driven ...errr....forget the last one

He endorsed Dean -- who is crazy
He screwed Dean -- even the Dems don't take him seriously

He is an environmental extremist, tree-hugger, would screw the economy

Big spender, big government liberal

Bush basher, attack dog (digital brown shirts, Bush's Gulag)

Traitor, was aiding and abetting the enemy (Gee, the enemy listens to him and America doesn't? Interesting.)

Doesn't know who he is, reinvents himself all the time

MoveOn darling

Not a strong leader, cannot handle crisis

So far that's all. But I keep thinking.

[genieroze]

59. He's stuffy. lol

[drummo]

70. But he can lose 40 pounds in a week

Really I don't know how he does it but the Reps hate him for that too.

[EndElectoral]

61. Flip Flopper on Iraq...was only a journalist in Nam...Clinton didn't even

support him....

[stevedeshazer]

67. He's a quitter

He has a bald spot.

NEVER, EVER wear cowboy boots with khaki pants.

That "Macarena" thing wasn't funny.

The kiss was too long.

He's an environmental wacko.

He's OLD news.

Thank God he wasn't president on 9/11

[drummo]

119. Quitter?

Actually I never heard that from a freeper.
As for the kiss, Karl Rove said "it worked unbelievably"

And he must know what hurts the Reps, right?

[Name removed]

71. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[grannylib]

74. He's a pussy who rolled over and let Chimpy steal the presidency

[Freddie Stubbs]

75. Because he couldn't beat Bush despite being the incumbent VP

during a time of economic expansion.

[patricia92243]

92. Agreed! If he had had enought sense to use Clinton, he'd be Prez today.

[drummo]

126. Nonsense.

Clinton was losing to Bush in every poll in 2000 except in one taken by ABC in October where Clinton led by merely 3% among registered voters which was within the margin of error. And we all know that the polls showing Bush ahead of Gore were all wrong since he won the popular vote and those polls say nothing about the electoral college.

This thing that Clinton was so damn popular in 2000 is a myth. In Aug 2000 his favorable rating was 42%. At the same time Gore's was 50%.

And we know that Rove's strategy was to link Gore to Clinton. Why do you think he wanted to do that? To hurt Bush's chances?

[drummo]

120. Since when is being an incumbent VP an advantage?

Most Americans disdain veeps because they are perceived as second bananas. You know, not the top dog. But at the same time they are thought to be the unltimate Washington insiders who are somehow involved in every dirty behind-the-scene powerplay. It's particularly true during peace and prosperity when there is no big problem which people would think only an experienced hand can solve.

I still cannot understand why Gore accepted such a position after being the ultimate loner in the Congress for 16 years, especially under such a unpredictable man like Clinton.

Duh!

[npincus]

76. He married Tipper

[JaneQPublic]

78. He looked a little too "manly" in that Rolling Stone cover (n/t)

[SiouxJ]

79. Oh, I'm sure they'd drag up that footage of him "naked" in

a hot tub with Lieberman on SNL - not very presidential looking.

[Idioteque]

80. He has close ties to Fred Phelps of God Hates Fags fame...

I'm just playing devil's advocate here.

"In the 1980s, the Phelps family were strong political allies with then-senator Al Gore. The home of Fred Jr., Phelps' eldest son, located in the Westboro compound, acted as Gore's campaign quarters for one of his senate races, and the Westboro compound was host to a fundraiser. Numerous photos exist on the internet of Fred Phelps Jr. and his second wife, Betty Phelps-Schurle, posing with Al and Tipper Gore in Phelps Jr.'s home. Phelps also served as a Gore delegate on the floor of the Democratic National Convention in Atlanta in 1988."

[drummo]

83. Thanks I didn't know about this. It's a funny story.

Has Phelps completely lost his mind by now?

[wiley]

81. He endorsed Dean

[zulchzulu]

82. He met with Buddhists and owes them money

"The woman who helped launder Al Gore's Buddhist temple money has not served a single day in jail --- and she probably never will

This garbage is from Michelle Malkin. I bet it's not true, but yunno...

http://www.NewsAndOpinion.com -- NEWSFLASH:

The woman who helped launder Al Gore's Buddhist temple money has not served a single day in jail. And she probably never will. The hidden story of how funny money honey Maria Hsia escaped any meaningful punishment for corrupting our election system shows just how empty all of this week's sound and fury over campaign finance reform really is.

In the spring of 2000, Hsia was convicted by a federal jury in Washington, D.C., of five felony counts related to more than $100,000 in illegal contributions to Democratic candidates. The stash included $65,000 in straw donations, which Hsia had funneled through clueless, non-English-speaking monks and nuns the day after Vice President Al Gore's 1996 visit to the Hsi Lai Buddhist temple in southern California. Hsia, a Taiwan-born immigration consultant, faced up to 25 years in prison for causing false statements about the pass-through contributions to be made in Federal Election Commission reports.

That was two years ago. Where is Hsia now?

Here's the rest of the story that the mainstream media has yet to report. On Feb. 6, U.S. District Court Judge Paul Friedman finally handed Hsia her sentence: a puny 90 days of home detention and three years of probation, along with a fine and assessment of $5,300.20"


Oh, there's more.... they will try to paint him as a "hypocrite".

http://www.realchange.org/gore.htm

-- Money Money Money
-- A Nasty Bunch of Characters
-- Illegal fundraising in a Buddhist temple (and weaseling about it)
-- Illegal fundraising phone calls from his office
-- Drug use
-- Hypocrisy on tobacco
-- Environmental Trendiness (and Hypocrisy)
-- Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire (Creating the Internet, etc.)
-- Tipper, the chipper rock 'n roll wife

[Skip Intro]

85. Hell Yeah!

America's already voted in the majority for Gore. I have no idea what they can throw at him. He's vetted.

Let's stick with somebody we've already stood up for.

I want to hear our candidate say "we told you so!"

Only Gore or Kerry in 08 can do that like it should be done.

[drummo]

177. In his book, Joined at the Heart he profiled a gay couple who

adopted a black child

There's even a picture of them

This alone could kill him. Even among blacks.

[TheFarseer]

86. Is no one going to point out

he wants to take pesticides, herbicides and fertilizer away from farmers? He wants to tear down your house to plant trees. He wants to break the budget to buy up Brazilian rain forest. He took away freon 12 so now we can't have good airconditioning anymore. He wants everyone to drive an electric car you'll have to plug in every 100 miles. He wants to put air filters on every cow's butt in America. God only knows what they will attribute to him regarding the environment.

[AntiFascist]

110. We have 3 more years of increasingly strong hurricanes....

hitting the Gulf Coast. We'll see how the anti-environmentalists feel by then.

Also, did you know that Free Republic is based in Calif's Central Valley where dairy cow flatulence is the greatest contributor to the heavy pollution there? (There was a recent NYT editorial about this.) 1 out of 6 children in this heavily conservative area develop asthma due to this.

[wakemewhenitsover]

87. RE-ELECT PRESIDENT GORE!!

[file83]

89. Gore is smarter than Bush...which is BAD...because...

...Gore might be able to unravel all the illegal shit the Bush Administration has been pulling since 2000.

Oh, wait...

Gore is BAD because he would NEVER grant Bush a Presidential Pardon.

[fujiyama]

90. He pandered to religious conservatives

that were never going to vote for him anyways. He showed poor judgement in naming Lieberman as his VP.

Nader was a ratfuck and I hate that bastard, but I really doubt he would have got as many votes if Gore had a VP candidate that didn't go around saying "there's no such thing as freedom from religion".

That said, Al Gore would have made one hell of a president.

[drummo]

94. Re:"He pandered to religious conservatives"

Lieberman delivered more votes for Gore than he lost because of him.
In other words he lost liberals but he won more conservatives (not necessarly Republicans) by picking Joe. I'm not a big fan of Joementum but it was a good tactical move, not the least because he managed to separate himself from Clinton, which is exactly what Karl Rove didn't want to see. His goal was to link Gore to Clinton because his polling and focus groups showed Clinton was a loser in 2000. So after the convention they desperatly tried to re-link Gore to Clinton in the voters' minds -- which couldn't have succeeded without the bastards in the press accusing Gore of lying at every turn.

[fujiyama]

132. Lieberman delivered conservative votes?

What clear evidence is there of that? People claim that he helped in FL. Perhaps that is true but I doubt a progeressive VP candidate would have done any worse, and he/she wouldn't have alienated liberals as well..At the minimum, Lieberman need not have gone OUT OF HIS WAY to drive liberals and progressives to Nader.

Overall, Lieberman was a disaster. He undercut Gore's campaign at the end during the recount and later on criticed Gore's populist moves in the campaign. Of course he has proven himself to be absolute scum in recent years, apologizing for even the crimes at Abu Graib (as well as the war itself - I don't see him on the floor of the senator condemning Bush's war in any way).

Also distancing himself from Clinton was a double edged sword. It's true that many stupid people bought into the whole morality bullshit, but at the same time, Gore didn't remind people how much their administration had accomplished. I understand there was the need to distance himself from Clinton on moral issues, but the simple fact is that Clinton had a very high job approval rating. Picking Lieberman sure didn't capitalize on that.

[drummo]

137. That evidence is in the polls taken after Gore picked him.

He got a 5% jump. Where do you think those voters came from?
Liberal circles?
If after picking Lieberman his poll numbers had gone down you would be right. But the opposite happened.

As for liberals and progressives who went to Nader, I don't blame Joe, who I don't like very much by the way. I blame those stupid liberals and progressives, including Michael Moore, who believed there was no difference between Gore and Bush.
I blamed those idiots at "Enviromentalists against Gore" who claimed that a Bush presidency would be actually better for the environment than Gore.

To have any chance to win in 2000 Gore had to separate himself from Clinton's immorality and lies. (Yes whether you believe it or not there were millions of voters who cared about such things even if you didn't)Picking Lieberman helped him to do that and there is no evidence that he lost more votes than he won because of that decisions. Nor is there evidence that he would have won more votes with someone else as his running mate. All that is just mere speculation.

[BootinUp]

91. here it is

Al Gore will never run for President of the United States again.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

96. Source?

The only one I've seen is Chris Matthews and I don't consider him at all credible, especially when it comes to Gore. He was in the front line of the War on Gore in 2000.

Most of the "leaks" I've seen are quotes of Al and Tipper that he thinks he has a good shot in 2008.

[BootinUp]

97. Just reading his own actions

He appears to be out of the game to me. Do you think he is working the political rounds to get people interested, to get some money and supporters lined up? Not saying it is too late, but I just see no signs it is going to happen. Some of the things he has done, strong statements in support of Dean for the primary, for instance, have probably hurt his chances more than anything.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

102. New politics vs old politics.

It's true he isn't doing the traditional things, so far as I know, in the old politics paradigm: raise money, go to Iowa and NH for speeches, get consultants who can help him with a TV strategy, etc. Yet he is doing the things necessary in the new politics paradigm: taking strong stands on important issues (e.g. Iraq and climate change) and getting a strong cyber-constituency (e.g. MoveOn, DU).

TV influence on politics is waning, the Net is waxing. He is best positioned of any candidate to engage in a new politics candidacy, as pioneered by Dean. I think the endorsement of Dean is definitely a plus in that regard, as well as generally. Dean was the only candidate squarely opposed to the war, so his endorsement by Gore was both pragmatic for Gore politically and the right thing in terms of policy and morality.

Having Dean as chair is also an institutional advantage for Gore. The Clinton wing of the party has lost power and the Gore-Dean wing is in ascendancy. The very fact of Dean's successful campaign to become chair is evidence that the new politics is on the rise.

I don't think Gore has made a decision yet. But the evidence he is considering a run is substantial. He is extremely active in campaiging for other pols. I heard Roy Neal (Gore's former chief of staff) on a radio show and he spoke about 2008 in a way that made it clear Gore might run. If Gore weren't going to run, Neal wouldn't say the things he did.

[BootinUp]

104. "...Neal wouldn't say the things he did."

Do tell.

As for the dynamics of the Democratic party, I think you are confusing the relatively high level of activism in 2003 and 2004 that resulted in part because of the Iraq war, with the Democratic party. I don't agree with your read on where the power is in the party.

[janx]

108. What did Neal say?

You other points are very interesting. I hope you're right.

[drummo]

99. How can you know that?

[BootinUp]

100. It seems plain enough to me.

And these threads touting Gore, not sure what the point is. What exactly started them off?

[Admiral Loinpresser]

103. Katrina.

Climate change is now recognized as the greatest threat to national security by a growing number of people. That's been the issue where Gore has been so strong for decades.

I think it has catalyzed support on DU and other places. I am a die-hard Gore supporter, but I have noticed a lot more people turning to Gore recently. I think his accurate forewarnings about Iraq and global warming are making a growing number of people consider him a great leader.

[BootinUp]

105. I actually hope

that what comes from Katrina is a greater awarenes of the need for government period. A start of a new populism.

I am not meaning to attack Gore btw.

[drummo]

123. Yes it would be hard to attack Gore after you said

a start of a new <b>populism</b> is in the air.
After all...well who was the populist in 2000?

[drummo]

122. Yeah but I asked why does it seem plain enough to you?

[BootinUp]

158. try post 97 n/t

[librechik]

98. the lisp.

oh, and he's waaaaay to nice.
oh, and this:
Why, George, you seem to want to be president a powerful lot more than me. Since you insist and might have a case, which would be embarrassing to fight, I'll just step aside.

Wait, maybe not.

Wait. Yes. Yes, I will step aside.

I don't care how many more votes I got than you. It's just too embarrassing.

[drummo]

127. Unfortunately under the Constitution the number of votes

does not matter. Only the electroral college matters.

Remember that Gore did not write the Constitution.

[Bluesplayer]

101. he kicked a puppy

[janx]

107. kick

...because this thread is funny!

[Left Turn]

109. Don't need to pretend...

...that your a Freeper and get nasty about it. I think the fact that he couldn't capitalize on a strong economy, and allowed everyone to buy into the stereotype that he was dull and boring hurt him a lot.

Plus, I think he was VERY overhandled, and wasn't able to show any raw emotion or passion for the issues he believed in.

[KoKo]

116. That's a good criticism and many of us have debated what you say

over and over. We can't come up with an answer but maybe something in his relationship with Clinton made him want to distance himself. Or, his handlers wanted it.

I hope we will one day find out. I would like him to run again. If he doesn't make it through the Primary..then okay...but I hope he will try.
We have two more years and in that time we may finally answer those questions that we've been puzzling over for the last five years.

But, the Repugs will go after him and bash the hell out of him. I wanted to know what folks thought the worse of his liabilities would be if he ran again. Could we learn to out think the Repugs at last. Putting together the worst scenario for attacks against Gore or any candidate might help us counter what get's thrown more effectively than we've done in the last Decade as we Dems have drifted into the Wilderness.

[drummo]

133. You know what that "something" was about Clinton?

This:

Around the time of the political conventions in August, voters were asked in a Gallup poll to take another stab at the 1992 election. This time, President George Bush defeated Bill Clinton by 53 percent to 42 percent. Then, assuming Clinton could run for another term, they were asked if they preferred him or George W. Bush. The answer was Bush, 51 percent to 45 percent. Finally, this same group of voters registered a verdict on Clinton's presidency. A whopping 68 percent said it's been a success, 29 percent a failure. The meaning of all this: The Clinton bifurcation lives! Voters still like Clinton's performance as president but they don't want him around. And so in the 2000 election, voters want a new president who's the opposite of him personally—and especially morally—but not a strong critic of his policies.



For goodness sake Clinton was LOSING to Bush in 2000!
In an early 2000 ABC poll he was losing by a whooping 11%!
But you think Gore should have used a loser and that would have put him over the top. Where is the logic in that?

[dhinojosa]

124. Deleted Message

[drummo]

128. Please no MORE EMOTION!!!

We need reason, common sense. A technocrat who knows how to cut through red tape which killed who knows how many people in New Orleans. And analist work-horse who is able to "connect the dots" and not go to vacation after reading bin Laden is determined to strike in the the US.
It's no longer about the issues. It about governance. And name one Democrat who knows more about that than Gore?

As for the economy, Clinton was losing to Bush in 2000 during peace and prosperity and what not. How do you explain that? He was not just a veep like Gore. He was an incumbent president still most people didn't want him around anymore. Why? One thing: scandal.

[Name removed]

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[bowens43]

114. He lost to Bush.

That says it all. If he can lose running against the stupidest man ever to run for the office then it's safe to say there is no one he could beat.

I'm speaking as a Democrat who wants to see a Democrat in the oval office, not as a freeper. If we nominate a loser, we deserve to lose.

[drummo]

129. Americans love stupid candidates.

After 2004 do you have any doubt about that?

Do you think rednecks care about intellect?

[Uncle Joe]

164. More to the point,

I think it was the corpwhorate owned MSM that loves stupid candidates, they did not want an adult in charge and so they did everything they could do slander, obfuscate, demean and ignore Al while putting a nice rosy glow on the corrupt/incompetent in chief. They brainwashed a sizable segment of the American population that actually trusted their "fourth estate watchdogs" to tell them the truth.

[garybeck]

145. no he didn't. nt

[bowens43]

159. So the last 5 years have just been an illusion?

Gore lost what should have been an easy campaign.

[drummo]

163. Easy??

Clinton was losing to Bush in 2000. Clinton who was an incumbent president during peace and prosperity would have been beated by Bush by 11 points in Jan 2000, by 6 points in Aug 2000. In Oct 2000 when Bush's numbers went down -- mainly thanks to his own blunders and Gore's criticism -- the best Clinton could produce was a 44-41 poll among registered voters, which was within the marging of error just like the Gore-Bush polls which then were proven to be wrong since Gore had more voters than Bush.

Clinton didn't do better against Bush than Gore did. But sure it should have been an easy campaign after Monica, lies, impeachment and Clinton-fatigue. It's a sure thing that a Clinton-Bush race would have become just as close as the Gore-Bush race and Clinton might very well ended up in Florida with recounts as Gore did. And he couldn't have defeated the Rep machine because it would have gone to the Supreme Court anyway, sooner or later, who would have voted against Clinton just like they voted against Gore.

Most people, according to the CNN/Gallup poll, were glad that Clinton was leaving. Only 45% said they would miss him.

Gore himself started the campaign as the ultimate underdog. He was 20 points behind Bush and he wasn't even a candidate yet. He was outspent by Bush 2-1 and had the most hostile coverage in modern history.
What was so easy about that?

What makes you believe that it should have been an easy campaign?
Do you think that the red states didn't notice what was going on in 1998?

Gore had a bunch of disadvantages from 8 years of Dem rule in the White House to an insane press which hated him because he was a former journalist who didn't slap their back but he still managed to beat Bush both nationally and in Florida.

If 1000 people in Palm Beach had known how to vote Gore would be in
the White House today and you wouldn't have the opportunity to call him a loser. The problem is that Gore was not responsible for the butterfly ballot, or any other "irregularities" which deprived him from certified votes even if he had enough voters to win the presidency. And the last time I checked the purpose of these campaigns
is to convince the voters to get out and vote for you. Gore did that.

[Uncle Joe]

165. Speaking of the butterfly ballot,

I heard or read somewhere that the woman that developed it was a former Republican that became a Democrat before the 2000 election and now she is a Republican again, do you know if this is true? Maybe I am mistaken.

[blue neen]

115. He can't dance.

Not that W can either, but freepers will forget about that.

[Uncle Joe]

166. I thought he did a great Macarena!! n/t

[drfresh]

121. He listens to his handlers too much?

Seems like the debates seemed forced or something, from what little I remember.

[drummo]

130. Name those "handlers"

and prove that Gore ever said or did something just because those "handlers" told him to say and do those things.

As for the debates, do you know gave who him advise after the first one?
Bill Clinton!! Yes, the supposedly brilliant politician advised Gore to change his persona in the secod debate. He told Gore's staffers to watch the SNL and tell him to cool down.
Now that worked out pretty well indeed.

[dhinojosa]

125. He, and the bitch wife of his, wants to censor music.

they were the same ones that gave us this....



Actually that's the only complaint I have about the Gore's personally. They are pretty cool in everyother aspect.

[drummo]

131. You are right. Viva obscenity!

That attitude helped Democrats a lot over the last few years. Particularly in the South.

p.s. Those labels do not mean censorship. Do you know what the word actually means? When the state decides what can be published and what cannot be.
I lived in communist Hungary during the Soviet occupation. I know what censorship means and certainly not warming labels on CDs.

[dhinojosa]

135. Nah, you're selling yourself short.

this kinda shit fucked up a lot of art work on music album covers. This wont pass in America, we get bent out of shape for shit like this.

[drummo]

138. I told you so: viva obscenity! That's the message the Dems need nowadays.

Right? That would work out well in the South and in the Midwest. Would
deliver a lot of votes for sure.

And you would be surprised who many things do pass in American which you think don't. Have you ever been in Alabama or Wyoming?

[dhinojosa]

141. Worse, Utah!

haha.

[drummo]

143. Right. I forgot about that.

[LittleClarkie]

134. (freeper) Man did you see him after the election?

Growing that beard and gaining all that weight? Why are we even talking about the guy. He has no chance in hell! He's like a crazy uncle in the Democratic Party they only trot out at convention time, and then only when the networks aren't watching.

Besides, he still thinks he invented the internet (insert rehash of vintage smear here)

(/freeper)

[dhinojosa]

136. Hhaha, yeah that's right they were all about his fat.

Good grief.

[drummo]

140. And they listen to Rush at the same time.

Well, right radio is not TV.

[drummo]

139. That was hillarious!

[KoKo]

142. The 13 Worst Lies about Al Gore:

Examples of Media Malpractice against Al Gore in Campaign 2000 (also posted at ICM) (Links posted at "Leftcoaster Website/cached)

1. Love Canal

2. Love Story

3. The Internet

4. Buddhist Temple and fundraising

5. Floodgate (and here)

6. Farm chores

7. "Look for the Union Label"

8. Willie Horton

9. Draft lottery number

10. Social Security plan

11. Years in journalism

12. Likeability

13. Debate

Remember, Gore got much worse coverage than Bush during Campaign 2000 - see here, here and here, for example.

http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:pYNuARpvn8MJ:www.t...

[ladylibertee]

146. Uh, Your new show sucks.Come back to politics

[drummo]

147. New show??

[ladylibertee]

148. Doesn't he have some kind of teen show?

[drummo]

149. 1.It not for teens

but for people between 18-34.

It's not some kind of hip-hip dumbing down America TV. It covers several subjects that the MSM would never touch. Just watch Battle for America or Grace at Camp Casey. After the Pat Roberston flap there was a report about how Venezuelans recated. It was quite telling. There was a report about homeless in LA (name the last time you could hear anything about that in the MSM) and how soldiers in Iraq reacted to 'Over there'. There was a report from Tora Bora, not even CNN went there.

2.It's not a show but a network and very eclectic. It's overall feeling is liberal -- just like most people in the 18-34 demo -- but without being partisan. It's not for political junkies but it covers politics and geopolitics just like many other topics.

3.How do you know if it sucks when apparently you don't even know what it is? They have a very good concept which can give a chance for people who never get exposure in the MSM to distribute their ideas.They have a very good graphics design team, a great website where people can learn how to shoot reports, and how to improve their skills.

And by the way there are many anti-Bush videos in the screening room this is my favorite: http://current.tv/studio/media/318977

[ladylibertee]

150. I never saw it.I just heard a talk show host making fun of it.

[drummo]

151. Which talk show host?

[ladylibertee]

152. I think it was either MAD or SNL

[drummo]

153. But who was the person? And what did he say and when?

[ladylibertee]

154. They did a sketch poking fun at it.Like it was their show.It had charac

tures impersonating the Gores in different scenes from their show.

[drummo]

156. I get it.

Now that's stupid. Gore is not on air. He is the chairman.

[ladylibertee]

157. Oh.I see.In that case,I have nothing bad to say.I love Gore

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

155. Donna Brazile

[corbett]

170. Had To Chime In On This One

Even asleep Karl Rove is ten times more clever a campaign manager than Donna. It's a cryin' shame but true.

[KoKo]

171. Ain't that the truth! I'm sure she's a nice person BUT...........

she kinda hoodwinked him...Maybe she's not a Repug...but she sure seems to act like on on the Talking Heads Shows.

I don't know if he chose her or she was part of the Dem Machine, though.

[drummo]

174. He trusted her and she betrayed him big time.

Noone thought in the beginning that Brazile will not care about the 2000 election. But she didn't care.

[rhett o rick]

167. What difference does it make anyway. He is way to intellegent to be

elected in this Country. The red states love Georgie guess why?
They speak his language.
"Your don' heckofajob Browie"

[mvd]

168. Whatever they have would be nothing compared..

to what Gore would have, if the Repukes nominate a right winger. Gore's warnings were right on.

[Kahuna]

169. He's a know-it-all. Ugh. A smarty-pants! He's not..

one of us.

[usregimechange]

172. He was right about the lockbox and he is still my President!

[Laelth]

179. Just a question.

What's the point of this thread? Why does the OP want us to bash Gore? Is there method to this madness?



-Laelth