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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 04:14 PM
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Is Bennett's Abortion Of Black Babies To Reduce Crime Comment Akin To.....
Hitler wanting to exterminate Jews?

I think there's a similarity here and if I were a Jew I'd be jumping down Bennett's back.
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 04:16 PM
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1. I like to think of it as
Bill Bennett, the devout Catholic, the ardent right-to-lifer, as being in favor of abortion.

Not choice, mind you. Abortion. For black women.

Yeah, Hitler would have hugged Bill Bennett in an affectionate, manly way.

And Bennett would have hugged back.

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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 04:18 PM
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2. Bennett is the Mengels of today.
:puke:
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catnhatnh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 04:19 PM
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3. Typical RW bullshit.....
frame it with words of regret,form it as a "hypothetical, and then state your heart's desire....
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ticapnews Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 04:22 PM
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5. I think it would be terrible
if, hypothetically, those missing plague-infected rats turned up in the Republican cloak room in the Senate...

Hypothetically, of course. It would be terrible.
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chelsea0011 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 04:20 PM
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4. It's exactly the same. Bennett wants us to believe he was
saying how awful a thought of abortion this would be but, you know, "the crime rate would go down". He uses sick logic to justify an end. I mean, if we were all aborted, there would be no crime, right? But he goes off on blacks, along with the caller, as Jews were blamed for everything in the 30's and 40's in Germany. Bennet should have just hung up on thew woman calling her a crackpot, but he couldn't help himself, could he. He had to continue and try to make a point. He is a twisted human being, and anyone who is coming to his defense is sick.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 04:25 PM
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6. Yeah, maybe we should be fair and round up all the black people
now and exterminate them. That would solve the whole problem.

What do you think, Bill? It's the same thing, isn't it?
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dogman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 04:25 PM
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7. Eugenics?
This was proposed by a caller to Springer today. Check out Wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenic
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 04:26 PM
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8. IMNSHO
We should all be jumping down his back and we are thankfully. My husband is jewish and when I told it about him he visably shivered. It makes my soul hurt to hear these kinds of comments again. I had hoped we were past having that sort of thing said publicly but boy are they coming out of the woodwork now.
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 04:26 PM
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9. No

Because Bennett did not say he wanted to do this. In fact, he very clearly stated that he did not want to do this.

It was racist. It was not pro-abortion.

But, hey, maybe if we spin what he said enough then when all the rightwing pundits come on TV Sunday morning to say, "the Liberals and Democrats have just spun this way out of context," forcing all the Democrats on TV Sunday morning to admit, "yes, there have been a lot of bloggers out there adding spin to what he said, but...".

This way the Sunday morning shows can be 90% about leftwing spin and 10% about what Bennett said.

Then all us DUers can spend the week trashing the Democrats for being "mealy mouthed". It will have all been our fault for putting those Democrats in a place where they have to choose between (1) defending our spin or (2) admitting it is spin. But at least we get to feel superior to the Dems since we don't "back down" like they do.
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nofurylike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 04:28 PM
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10. yes
thank you for posting this.


peace
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fredtaylor Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 04:32 PM
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11. Hmm
Bennett is an idiot, but comparisons to Hitler are a bit extreme.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 04:34 PM
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12. It's now going to be a new GOP splinter issue...goodbye gay marriage...
...hello Colored People Control!



The GOP has been rattling that they were going to make illegal immigration a big issue in 2006 and 2008...maybe they mean black babies immigrating out of black women's wombs...that's the kinder, gentler abortion...

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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 04:41 PM
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13. It's akin to Hitler saying that if they exterminated all the Jews
the Tay-Sachs rate in Europe would decrease.

Except that in this (hypothetical) case there's a more causal relationship than in Bennett's statement, since Tay-Sachs is genetic, while poverty, racism, and its consequences may be persistent, but aren't genetic.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 04:49 PM
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14. It doesn't help to distort what he said
Edited on Fri Sep-30-05 04:50 PM by sandnsea
That actually makes it worse. The wrong in what he said was the assumption that blacks are all criminals and that no blacks would mean no crime, the same thing that caused the rape & murder rumor mongering in New Orleans and the same thing that's causing the NO race cleansing. Dumping that attitude on African Americans is part of the racism that makes it harder for African Americans to get a job, get into school, etc.

He didn't say we should abort black babies to reduce crime and if we try to make the statement something that it obviously wasn't, we'll lose again.
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chelsea0011 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 05:03 PM
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18. But it is clear that he said if blacks were aborted "crime would go down".
He can and did say it was reprehensible but he also agrees that crime can be lessened by black abortions. DUers aren't distorting.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 06:06 PM
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20. He isn't suggesting it though
That's what I object to. Dean and the DNC response is the correct one, not turning this into a debate about what Bennett did or didn't mean by what he said. We always manage to turn everything into he said, she said, instead of sticking to the easily provable point:

"One of the more egregious aspects of Bennett's recent statement is that it buys into and perpetuates the notion that race is a proxy for and a predictor of crime and violence. Race is not. Poverty and lack of opportunity are, and unfortunately, as Katrina reminded us, both are thriving in America today. Instead of dividing our country along racial lines, Bill Bennett and his Republican colleagues should be pushing for the types of investments we need to fight poverty and enhance opportunity, in order to reduce crime. Instead, they have turned their backs on them."

MORE:
http://www.lightupthedarkness.org/blog/?view=plink&id=1...
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ebal Donating Member (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 04:50 PM
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15. Sort of
If hitler also added "That would be an impossible, ridiculous, and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would go down."

Then moreso.

It's like when the freepers say President Carter said

http://www.emorywheel.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/09/2...

"The second image Carter recalled was of a young Ethiopian girls eagerness to demonstrate that she, like her brother, could use the small latrine their father had made for them.

She spread her skirt out very carefully and she squatted down to relieve herself. Carter said.

Carter added jokingly, We took some pictures of it.

When you take it out of context it sounds pretty bad...

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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 06:13 PM
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21. Thank you.

It's always nice to see someone trying to be fair-minded rather than just calling names.
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newswolf56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 04:58 PM
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16. The greater significance of Bennett's remarks is...
the fact someone associated with this administration and/or the Republican Party in general would dare make such a statement -- tantamount to a call for genocide (and all the more inflammatory after New Orleans). It is yet another indication of how Bush and the GOP in general are defiantly stripping off the tiptoe-through-the-tulips slippers of "compassionate conservatism" to reveal the fascist jackboot beneath: governance by racist pigs.

Bennett's remarks are also significant as evidence the murderous neglectfulness demonstrated by the aftermath of Katrina was deliberate: not "blunders" but policy -- that the vast majority of blacks (but sadly only 20 percent of whites) are absolutely correct in their suspicion the neglectfulness was methodical: in other words, genocide.

Worse still is how the administration and its allies are making it increasingly clear the only "public opinion" they care about is the JesuNazi stormtroopers and the white Americans who clandestinely support them: probably 40 percent of the population. This says the oligarchy and its government are brazenly indifferent to their increasing loss of popularity and are pandering ever more exclusively to the Ku Klux Kristshuns: the main reason I have such foreboding about whether they will even allow the 2006 and 2008 elections.

I have said much the same thing on other threads -- especially the fact Bennett's remarks are essentially a call for the racial "cleansing" of the United States -- and I believe this cannot be repeated too often: all the more so since at least one Democratic leader has absurdly protected Bush and his administration from charges of genocidal intent by proclaiming Bush himself "not...racist." How very Orwellian: the notion that the head of what is demonstrably the most savagely class-warfare minded administration in U.S. history is "not...racist."

And it seems to me we've heard something like this "not...racist" falsehood before: wasn't it Adolf Eichmann who testified he bore no personal animosity toward the Jews?
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 05:02 PM
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17. Exactly. Sentence him to community service in the Holocaust Museum.
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China_cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 05:05 PM
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19. He could excuse the remark
with the last part of it about it being a stupid, horrible thing to propose...IF he hadn't said (twice even) that it was a FACT that crime would go down if all black babies were aborted. One of those times right after saying that it was a nasty thing to say.

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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 06:23 PM
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22. I don't know if it is really akin
Being part Jewish, I don't react to that statement from the perspective of losing many of the family to the Holocaust.

I think it was a very stupid thing to say, and very telling about his bigotry about black people.

One of those times when the truth of his beliefs, ie all blacks are criminals or something like that, comes out inadvertently.

That he can't apologize further confirms his bigotry.

:spank:
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